Dour Obama and the Democratic debate

Whatever you say buddy...

Can you believe that Obama looking dour? And what was Hillary, or rather which?

She nuances everything like her public support of NAFTA and the incorrect and out of context comment she made about Pakistan where she drove the bus into the ditch again.Hillary Clinton will never get anything passed in congress and last night showed you why.

I just checked the name of the person who wrote this piece. No suprise, it's a female name.

Last night's debate was not the best for either of them. Though Clinton did better in that she had better delivery and was able to the control clock, Obama held his own. They did a presentable job in rallying their base. The moderator was overbearing and too talkative.

I disagree.

When Obama responded "Sounds good!" he smiled readily and the crowd laughed loud and hard as I did at home. So, your description that he was humorless and dour, I believe, comes from your need to see him as humorless and dour.

Both candidates are great. I just wish Bill weren't her spouse. I could then support her, but I dislike that man intensely. He is a rapist, a liar, a hypocrite, self-centered, corrupt, etc. and his presidency is highly overrated.

"Dour" means gloomy (and also infertile). Did Obama come off as depressed and glum? If not, you need to use start using the correct vocabularly in your headlines.

Watching the debate last night made me feel one thing very strongly: Clinton is super unloveably and needs to ditch that ice-queen smirk that creeps onto her face whenever she is pissed off at something Obama says.

Obama was cool, calm , collected and decisive last night. Check out the way he handles her on health care http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8aRMD8GaAA#Rp5rTGqj9V0 and experience http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYNxtddLN8Y&feature=related. He doesn't seem outclassed at the least. Though, I'll grant you that he's come a long way since the early debates where he wasn't as polished of a candidate. He's had some good teachers since then.

I thought Barack's comment regarding Hillary's mockery of him was funny.
Completely different from the mean and unnecessary comment he made in the NH's debate.

Not sure how else you can reply to someone who is ridiculing you.

Dour Obama and the Democratic Debate? Nice alliteration. My poetic take would be peevish vs presidential; divisive vs diplomatic; bad-tempered vs beneficent.

Clinton did well, but she also did a lot of glaring; Obama showed his strength not just through his words but through his composed demeanor. Obama did the scoring last night!

You know what, I think you hit the nail on the head here. I've been trying to figure out what bugs me about Obama's debate performances. (For the record, I have problems with both Obama and Clinton, but am very interested in the perceived disparity between the media's treatment of each, especially the vilification of Clinton. I'm currently leaning toward Nader).

Remember how Obama said stiffly to Clinton "you're likable enough" after she expressed playful dismay over her less-likeable reputation? I remember wincing and thinking "Damn, that was cold--especially his gruff/ungracious delivery; people will be commenting on this." But most media outlets did not appear to give this much attention.

The more I see of this campaign, the more I empathize with Clinton. Unfortunately, this does not translate into a primary season vote since I care more about the issues/policies. But., conversely, the more praise is showered on Obama (whose speeches themselves have never "moved" me), the more his negatives--lack of experience; being a "follower" in the Senate and debates--are highlighted for me. So, even if he wins the nomination,

i wish americans come to their senses. obama is a lightweight. he will be another bush. making the position of POTUS an on-the-job training. the only advantage we see in obama is us, non-americans, particularly asians, will not have a hard time getting visas anymore. mccain or clinton anytime.

re:"I'm currently leaning toward Nader." Not to mock you there EK, but that's a bit lazy to "lean" anywhere near that man. He's nice in theory, like communism, but he's not a president, and more, he's simply a spoiler. The hard work all candidates have put in so far is being mocked by a man who woke up and decided to confuse a presidential race for his own selfish ends.... again.

Ralph Nader needs to go away, very far away...

To Nonoyd: There is no way that Senator Obama can be compared to the "Bushes" or the "Clintons". He did not call the Clintons names as they tried to provoke him to do to cause more division in the country as they have done during their administration. Senator Hillary wanted a real henpecking fight. I don't think she got it. Great!!!

Were you watching the same debate as the rest of us? Even a Clinton fan will not call Obama "dour." Let's look at the definition(s) for dour.

dour, adjective:
1. Harsh; stern.
2. Unyielding; inflexible; obstinate.
3. Marked by ill humor; gloomy; sullen.

Ill humor? Harsh? Obstinate? To me it was Clinton that **might** have come across a little dour. But even that would be a stretch.

Come on.

Hillary has much more experience than Obama. She has a long history of getting things done. You can not be all "pink and fluffy" as a woman in US Politics and expect to survive. You have to be tough ... unfortunately that also equals in most people's minds as "bitch". ---
Obama, on the other hand, is being presented as the next thing to "sliced bread" by the American media, another JFK and RFK.

JFK was also very charismatic. He could not get anything of substance though Congress. He was too green. Bay of Pigs (which results in the missile crisis) , and the Cuba Embargo are his most memorable actions.
The only real Civil Rights accomplishments that can be credited to JFK occurred after his death ... by LBJ (who like Hillary had what it takes to actually make change happen). --- We do not need another JFK in the White House.

I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to "You're likable enough..." I thought it was a very witty comment, with a very dry sense of humor. I didn't think he was being mean in the least.

Now, what a stretch!! Dour? Didi you say dour? I thought at two or three points that Hillary Clinton was going to pull out a switch blade and use it on Tim Russert. Even Brian Williams had to parry her away g-e-n-t-l-y. I was worried that she would rush off into the bathroom and take a razor to her wrist. It was the worst of all the debates, and I learnt one thing: Hillary Clinton is not qualified for an executive position. Obama will make a terrible mistake to offer her the VP spot. In fact, John Lewis and the rest of the world finally figured that out. A proof that my analysis is correct and Joanna Weiss is WRONG let us watch and keep score of the super delegate defection since the debate. Of course, an avalanche of defection will occur come Wednesday, March 6. So, Joanna, I offer my mortgage as a wager.

Hillary’s behavior concerning Farrakhan's endorsement was Clintonian language of what the word IS is.

Actually, "denounce" is a stronger word than "reject." Obama used a more poignant word.

Poor Hillary and Tim knew not what they do pressing for Obama to take a step BACK, definitionally.

I am disappointed in Hillary's Bill-Phonics. Obama said SEVERAL times that Farrakhan's endorsement was unsolicited and unwelcomed and was denounced by his campaign. Obama was quite clear. Even after Obama made himself quite clear, Hillary wanted to belabor the point.

I am glad Obama still, in his final response, used the definitionally stronger word “denounce” and, yet included the lesser poignant word “reject” for their comprehension.