Response to "Put a leash on it!"
Way back in the mists of time we addressed a question from an LW who was troubled by a man in her neighborhood who walks his dog off-leash and doesn't pick up after it. Everyone agreed that the neighbor was in the wrong, but as JustQ pointed out, dog etiquette can be confusing:
I am new to dog ownership, and am constantly flummoxed by what correct dog etiquette is in certain situations. Can I leave the little woofer in my car while I run into the bank, or will someone call the cops and report it as abuse? Why did I leave my dog in the car, when that lady with the poodle just walked right into the bank with it?Most humans are terrible at taking constructive criticism from strangers, but at the same time, most of us don't go out of our way to be jerks, and could use a gentle nudge back to the correct path.
If it was only an issue of this guy walking the dogs off leash, you could go up to him, pat the dog, ask his name, etc, then casually mention that your friend's brother's cousin just got a HUGE ticket from a beat cop for walking her dog off-leash and maybe he ought to be careful - you know those cops... Make yourself a co-conspirator instead of an accuser.
This is a good attitude, and most commenters agreed, including Nancy G:
Your best bet is to talk to him the way JusQ suggested, as a fellow dog lover. You might even get some information you didn't anticipate. I once was approached by someone concerned that I was walking my dog off leash, and I was able to show her that my dog had a remote collar (approved by the park rangers) and was indeed under control. And I learned that my effort to disguise the collar was a bad idea; when people could see the collar, it reassured them that the dog was under control.
If there's a good community of dog owners, applying some peer pressure might be in order. JP Gal had a good story about that:
Our dog plays with a group where the humans are extremely protective of the access we have to a beautiful public park and not only clean up after their own dogs, but also clean up stray poop less considerate owners left behind, as well as trash, bottles, broken glass, etc. Once a stranger (to us) and his dog walked by and after the dog did its business, the fellow started to stroll off, leaving the business behind. One of our group called after him in a cheery voice, "Hey, did you forget a bag? I have one!", gently waving a plastic bag in her hand. She jogged over, gave it to him, and he picked up the poop.It might have worked because her dog was much larger than his dog, or he was outnumbered by our group, or he genuinely did forget a bag and was grateful for the help. But it worked nonetheless, and I thought it was pretty classy.
In this case, there were a lot of other folks there to enforce the group norm, but I bet the neighbor in the original letter would still rethink his ways if he were approached by more than one other person.
Rog thought that tact in this case was uncalled for:
This guy needs to hear statements such as "I don't feel safe", "I don't like picking up other people's dog poop", or "This behavior is illegal". Again, no justifications are necessary. He's in the wrong, the LW is in the right. The pleasantries and hints suggested by others are well meant, but aren't going to acted on by someone who is OK with leaving feces in his wake for others to clean up. Sometimes the most civil and polite course of action is to state needs, expectations, and consequences clearly and plainly with no chance of misunderstanding.
I'm a huge fan of "stating needs, expectations, and consequences clearly and plainly with no chance of misunderstanding," and tend to recommend it a lot, but what interests me is Rog's assumption that anyone who would fail to clean up after his dog is some kind of sociopath immune to normal reasoning and social influence, or at least might be. I wouldn't leap to that assumption about a negligent dog owner--although I do leap to it, enthusiastically, in the case of people who smoke where there are clear "no smoking" signs. Everyone's trigger gets tripped differently ...



Quite a ruthlessly redacted summary of the actual discussion, which is, after all, only a few clicks a way for anyone who cares to read what was actually said.
What Rog pointed out was, this behavior is illegal. An off-leash dog in Boston has been deemed by law to be a threat to the safety and comfort of the public. We are dealing not merely with a "negligent" person, but a scofflaw. Etiquette is irrelevant.
Not that irrelevant, Marcus. If the person is a sociopath or just unpleasant, direct confrontation can lead to all kinds of unpleasantries, both physical and verbal. I've seen negligent dog owners really go off on someone when called out on their loose dog, or on not scooping. Yelling, threatening, trying to get their dog to "get him", etc.
Etiquette provides us a way to confront a scofflaw without fearing for our own safety.
Marcus,
Plenty of things are illegal and dangerous and happen every day -- like people riding their bicycles on the sidewalk, crossing over the double yellow lines or passing stopped school buses while driving, tossing trash onto the subway tracks (the cause of the fire that recently shut down the entire system for hours). If a law enforcement officer isn't present, and sometimes even if one is, the fact that the conduct is illegal is pretty irrelevant. So the question is, what can or should an individual do that might put an end to the illegal and dangerous behavior, without making it worse or putting that person is danger, and, even better, that might help build community? It seems to me that this is the hidden purpose and power of etiquette, which is why I love this blog!
I am glad that you both agree with me, in disagreeing with Robin when she says,
An argument technique I find really off-putting and never convincing is putting words into someone else's mouth and pretending that person agrees; it does not make an argument stronger, but merely undercuts credibility.
Anyway, someone who breaks a civil law is not necessarily a "sociopath immune to normal reasoning and social influence." They may be quite selfish, or thoughtless, or who knows what (even something less "sinister" such as out of plastic bags and embarrassed about it, or in a big rush because they realized they were running late.) So etiquette is not irrelevant. Etiquette can suggest ways to solve a problem without assuming the worst of someone; or, if you really do think every person who breaks a civil law is a sociopath of some sort, it can at least give you a way to address the situation with the least danger to yourself.
An argument technique I find really off-putting and never convincing is putting words into someone else's mouth and pretending that person agrees;
I dislike the technique myself, which is why I did not use it.
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