Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
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Red Sox: On the front burner Archive 1
Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
Quick...who's the Sox #1 and #3 starters the next time through the rotation? Wanna bet? Buchholz for Beckett and Masterson or Bowden for Matsuzaka?
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 7:49 AM EDT
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Am I only one who hates the WBC?? The Sox are reaping the "benefits" of another Japanese WBC run. I think Dice goes on the DL today-he says he was fine, but his 86 mile an hour fastball says he wasn't. I hope Masterson gets moved to the rotation, he is clearly much more comfortable and confident there. |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 8:07 AM EDT
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NOT A BIG FAN OF THE P C..... W B C !!!! NO NEED TO INVOLVE THE WHOLE WORLD WHEN YOU HAVE A MIL$ ARM TO TAKE CARE OF..... BUD SELIG, "TOGETHER WE CAN " !!!! THE "BIG O" NEEDS TO REPLACE SELIG.... JUST LIKE GM, WALL ST, AIG...... HOW STUPID ... WILL SOMEONE FINALLY SAY "NO" TO SELIG & W B C !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 8:15 AM EDT
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So, if we end up needing a replacement for let's say, 3 or 4 starts, do we slide Masterson down to the starting rotation and try one of the kids in the pen, or do we give Bucky a chance to redeam himself as a starter, and leave Masterson where he is, given how effective he's been for us from the pen? I like Masterson as a temp. 5, but I'm not sure who would then move into his spot in the ben. Bard isn't quite ready, I don't think. No reason to mess up his head if the guy comes up and gets mashed - he's got too much potential to rush him. Maybe later this year. I guess that means Bucky. |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 8:25 AM EDT
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"Am I only one who hates the WBC?? The Sox are reaping the "benefits" of another Japanese WBC run. I think Dice goes on the DL today-he says he was fine, but his 86 mile an hour fastball says he wasn't". I did not read the box scores carefully, but did Dice K pitch all of the 1st 8 games, NO so don't blame hime for this great start. |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 10:13 AM EDT
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How come the rest of the players in the WBC are OK... just Dice-K is hurting? Because Dice-K starts slow, is only a decent but NOT a great pitcher, and was always in trouble last year. Just lucky LY opponents didn't get key hit. This year he is back to his norm. Hope the "Injuries" give Masterson and Buchholtz and maybe even Bowden a chance to shine. |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 10:47 AM EDT
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Well, Clay made his case big-time in ST. The club probably wanted to give him some easy build time a bit longer with the pawsox. But, with Dice k-o'd by the wbc, Beckett lost to the whims of the modern candy-ass league, I say lets bring the kid up and let him do his thing. He is ready. And, maybe I am wrong here, but judging from his tenacity and attitude in ST, he might actually be a little jolt of confidence and the chip-on-the-shoulder the clubhouse needs right now.
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 12:08 PM EDT
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J-Bay, In case you missed it, last year Dice-K posted a 18-3 record with an ERA under three...show me one other third starter near those numbers. AND he had arm fatigue AFTER pitching some very good games. Yeah it's April but now is the time for us to warm up and I am sure some rest and he'll be fine. Oh wait...show me a #2 starter with those numbers? |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 12:14 PM EDT
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Not terribly concerned, we're talking about having played 8 of 162 so not time to press the panic button. That being said, what is this teams identity going to be, particularly from an offensive standpoint? I think the Sox should shuffle the deck: Pedroia - machine, put him in the 1 hole and let him do his thing Youkilis - same as above plus power Ortiz - on the downside a bit and no longer has Manny prtecting him Bay - capable although not Manny (who else is?) Drew - MASH unit required Lowell - steady Varitek - liability somewhat but will occasionally have a streak SS - anything here is a bonus at this point Ellsbury - not making it happen at top of lineup Hopefully the pitching sorts itself out but other than one good start by Beckett and an OK one by Wakefield, starters have been poor. Would ANYONE have through Lester would be 0-2??? |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 1:12 PM EDT
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Dice-K fatigued? Jeesh... I'm a bit "fatigued" at listening to the bulls**t, apologies and excuses for this mediocre team. On his BEST day this guy can't go more than five innings and he usually walks everyone but the beer vendors. His arm is probably tired from hauling all that money around or talking to his agent on the phone. What a cruel joke Epstein and Moneyball, Inc have foisted upon their giddy Pink Hat Legions in "Red Sox Nation". Those of us who have been around a while knew this season would get here eventually. Perhaps it's a good thing - maybe a couple of years in the cellar will inject a dose of reality into the bored and disappointed fan base and rid us of the loud mouth nitwits who jumped on Guitar Boy's bandwagon in 2004. It's high time for some new ideas and new leadership in the front office. Posted by bigfoot14b I really hope all Yankee fans are not this DUMB.....WOW, you really bring the Yank-me fan IQ average way down! |
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Re: Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
posted at 4/15/2009 2:04 PM EDT
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I KNOW HIS NUMBERS, BUT HIS PITCHING HAS NOT BEEN A TRUE INDICATION OF HIS EFFECTIVENESS. NUMBERS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY. IT WAS UNBELEIVEABLE THE TROUBLE HE GOT IN AND OUT OF. I DON'T THINK HE WILL EVER BE WHAT THEY HOPED HE WOULD. I HOPE I'M WRONG BUT SO FAR I THINK HE HAS BEEN A DISAPPOINTMENT. |
Forums » Red Sox: On the front burner Archive 1 » Matsuzaka left with arm fatigue?
I'm a bit "fatigued" at listening to the bulls**t, apologies and excuses for this mediocre team. On his BEST day this guy can't go more than five innings and he usually walks everyone but the beer vendors.
His arm is probably tired from hauling all that money around or talking to his agent on the phone.
What a cruel joke Epstein and Moneyball, Inc have foisted upon their giddy Pink Hat Legions in "Red Sox Nation". Those of us who have been around a while knew this season would get here eventually.
Perhaps it's a good thing - maybe a couple of years in the cellar will inject a dose of reality into the bored and disappointed fan base and rid us of the loud mouth nitwits who jumped on Guitar Boy's bandwagon in 2004.
It's high time for some new ideas and new leadership in the front office.