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    As far as books, I'm am definitely someone who must have paper (Don't care for the Kindle/I-Pad)  I find that I will go to the local Library for books which places me about 6/+ months behind on anything new.  The last book that I read that I really enjoyed was The American Lion The Andrew Jackson story.  But I tend to like historic non-fiction more than most people do.
     
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    I've seen the original and the remake (still in theaters?) of True Grit.  I happen to think the 2011 version blows all movies that I've ever seen out of the water.  I love it.  Maybe because I relate so much (not to the revenge story line) to the girl, but my husband absolutely raved about it, too. 

    About the trends, I don't actually try to stay current.  I listen to the "lame" music of today and really enjoy it.  I listen on the cable station, "Adult Alternative," and I learn some new music from there.  I don't buy much.

    I don't have a reader thingy.  Although, I think I'd read more if I did.  I like to lie down to read, and holding a book over my head is tiresome.

    But, as a window into my life, while I love being a housewife, even after 2 solid, blissful years of working in our home as my "job" and with a husband who appreciates it and sees our finances as OURS, I still have some guilt about spending frivolous money on myself.  I pulled in a fair amount as an engineer, and I never had to feel bad about spending it.  Now, I feel like I have to justify everything I buy as a need.  Reality is not that way - my husband wants me to enjoy our lives and have what I want (within reason, of course).  A book thingy and all the books I'd buy for it isn't remotely a need, though, so I dont' want one.

    There, now you know.

    See True Grit.  The new one.
     
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    Seen both Grits, I loved the Duke one and think it's a great movie, but would have to agree with you on the Dudes being better, except for the climatic scene of the movie where Rooster C puts the horse reigns in his mouth and rides towards Ned Peppers, John Wayne "fill your hands, you son of a b!+ch" is a defining moment of American cinema.  And I thank the Coen Bros for not attempting to have Jeff Bridges try to match up with the Duke by omitting this line.
     
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    Totally agree, jkj, astute observation.

    Oh, and I have to give a shout out to Momento.  Indeed a thinker's and quirky movie.  Loved it.
     
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    [QUOTE]This thread is all over the map.  Perfect! I want to talk about this notion of "keeping up" or "staying current". I gave up on that years ago.  It's never been a realistic goal, but when you're younger, sure, you give it a shot.  You have the time and energy (stuff zilla mentioned) and you want to be cool.  For me all this online stuff really hasn't changed the way I stumble onto new things. It's been a meandering path all along.  And it doesn't have to be new, just new to me.  What has changes is that I don't give a rats @ss if I'm considered cool or not.  In fact, when I see what passes for cool these days, I'm rather glad I'm not. I have often come to "new" music via the printed word.  Used to be a review in  some rag, and I'd have to check it out.  Or a book.  Or a chance encounter on the radio dial,  or a snippet of a song in the background in a movie or... who knows.   Actually I come to many things - movies, books, etc - all the same way.  One book may mention another, or another author, and I'll have to go check that out. On some level I'm relying on someone else's opinion, but on another I'm not at all. My taste is just leading me around by the nose. A perfect example would be John Prine, one of my current favorites.  He's been touring and recording heavily for 40 years now.  And he's past his prime, for sure, but still doing it.  I never heard of him until last year,  so as far as I'm concerned he's a "new artist".   Found him after re-reading an old Hunter Thompson book last year, and decided it was time.  I play guitar and sometimes I'll go hit youtube to see if I can figure out how to play a new number.  And from a search of a Prine tune I discovered Jeffrey Foucalt.  Again, for most, obscure,  but it's stuff that I relate to, which is the only thing I care about. Confidence is always cool.  Movies are probably the one medium where if I don't catch it while it's fresh, then I'm probably not going to catch it at all.  Even the blockbusters, that eventually get replayed on tv will probably be missed, as I rarely watch much.   But other forms - Art leaps to mind - you usually come to it late.  Very few really know how to view it, I certainly don't.  So today's crap becomes tomorrows masterpiece, and who knows how that gets decided. Most of us ignore it until some 'expert' decides it's good.  And so on.  It must be Friday.  And a 3 day weekend to boot - woo-woo!
    Posted by SlimPickensII[/QUOTE]

    Remember the Devo song, "Through Being Cool?"....I was reminded of that song when I read your post.

    I think most of the people we consider "cool" really weren't trying to be, they were just being themselves...and that is real cool!

    Two of the coolest characters in the history of televison were Barney Collier(Greg Morris) of Mission impossible and Steve McGarret( Jack Lord) of the original Hawaii Five-O. I don't think being "cool" was necessary for the character to be believable, but being cool made these characters even better, and they were cool just by being efficient and extremely good at their jobs and doing it under intense pressure. The ultimate cool was of course, Steve McQueen.

    If that makes any sense.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: : The ultimate cool was of course, Steve McQueen.

    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with you there zilla. The ultimate cool was Paul Newman.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Give Me Convenience! : Part 2" (Trending) : ------------------- I would defy you to watch Old School (2003) and not laugh. I thought Talladega Nights (2006),   Anchorman (2003) and  Step Brothers   (2008) were brilliant. I feel the Cohen Bros have made quite a few really good comedies since 2000.  O Brother Where Art Thou? (2000), Burn After Reading  (2008), A Serious Man  (2009) and the often overlooked Intolerable Cruelty  (2003).  Wedding Crashers  (2005) is another good comedy.  But if I was to pick the best of the decade it would have to be Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (2007) and it has a great soundtrack to boot which includes "Let's Duet" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEGD6D1PvIU&feature=related   fri&&in' brilliant
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    methinks we would be great friends
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: : I have to disagree with you there zilla. The ultimate cool was Paul Newman.
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    I got to go with Zilla - It has to be Steve M.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: : I got to go with Zilla - It has to be Steve M.
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    I'm going to say it was a dead heat between McQueen and Newman...they were both the essence of cool.  If McQueen has any advantage it might be that he died much younger.
     
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    I always thought, growing up, that Charles Bronson was the coolest MF'er alive.
     
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    Posted by jesseyeric[/QUOTE]Paul Newman rode a Triumph. Triumphs are cool. Plus who else could pull off a movie like Cool Hand Luke?
     
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    I've been thinking about this concept of convenience as it relates to entertainment, and it occurs to me that we might be coming full circle on perhaps one of the first generations that could be considered to have been "raised" on television. Years ago, there was a middling comedy on HBO called Dream On (featuring the delightful Wendy Malick) that was all about a guy whose perceptions of reality were all skewed by the things he had seen growing up with television as his babysitter --a concept that was explored more darkly by Jim Carrey in The Cable Guy (a film that I feel looks much better in retrospect than it ever did when people wanted Carrey to be The Next Big Thing!).

    Television was (is), of course, the ultimate convenience . . .  a tireless companion that asks nothing of the viewer but that he or she stay awake (and really, not even that). I don't go to the cinema anymore -- the movies, even as a rare treat, have priced themselves out of my entertainment budget -- so I may not be the best judge of what is and isn't quality entertainment as regards film. That said, I think the spate of TV show adaptations we've suffered through, and are only now seeing the tail-end of, tells an interesting tale about what is NOT happening in Hollywood. I've been fascinated to see the number TV shows I grew up with -- that were cinematized when I, apparently, wasn't looking -- now showing up on cable channels like Encore and Retro. The Mod Squad? SWAT? What's next . . .   the stunning 3D adaptation of Welcome Back, Kotter the world has been clamoring for?

    It's been no secret for many years now that there is no new thing under the sun, as far as Hollywood is concerned, and I think that's a direct reaction to the competition for the entertainment dollar that demands a guaranteed demographic. If there's one thing people want more than convenience, it's comfort, and people are comfortable with what they know. I look at the films that shaped my generation when we were growing up and I don't see films at all . . .   I see franchises. Star Wars. Indiana Jones. Rocky. Die Hard. And I suppose this seemingly endless cinematic repetition we can't seem to shake is partly the fear of the industry to get away from its comfort zone, but also the kids who grew up (or perhaps, did not grow up -- I love that "kidult" epithet . . .   is that original?) loving those movies, now controlling the entertainment dollars of their own families.

    Couple that with the notion that you can put a 50-inch flatscreen with surround-sound in your family room for less than $1,000 and I don't really see how your local multi-plex can compete, beyond charging ever-more ridiculous amounts of money for increasingly poor product. When I'm paying $14 for a bucket of popcorn and a couple Pepsis (and having to take out a second mortgage for the actual tickets), I'm going to need a little something more than the same old story in a shiny new suit. I'll admit, the idea of Matt Damon in a cowboy hat trying to drawl does sound pretty amusing . . .  but I'm sure I can wait for it on video.


     
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    [QUOTE]I always thought, growing up, that Charles Bronson was the coolest MF'er alive.
    Posted by tcal2-[/QUOTE]

    Don't those old 'Death Wish' movies make you want to go out and become your neighborhood's very own vigilante?

    Well, not really, but I do find myself cheering every time Paul Kersey guns down a scumball.

    There is a level of 'cool' that exists in alot of the old T.V. shows and movies that makes you keep coming back for more ( seriously, how else could they get away with making 4 Death Wish movies?). I think among more recent fictional heroes only Jack Bauer (24) reminds me of the old time screen heroes.
     
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    If your looking for the cool guy, it's got to be Sean Connery

    And something I noticed after seeing the Hangover for the 1,000th time (we have movie channels through cable & it has made the rounds through all the channels.)  it is a good comedy.  But I think that the based entirely on the 3 stooges.  All the hijinks's the 3 remaining guys get into around Las Vegas is something the stooges would do, only now their a lot hipper... How many times did the stooges have problems with, lions/tigers, babies, dancing girls, over the top possessive girlfriends, confusion because they drank too much, Self removed teeth, mistaken identity, boxers, mobsters, etc, etc... They just took stooges shorts and updated them and made a full length movie,  brilliant I wish I thought of it.
     
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    [QUOTE]If your looking for the cool guy, it's got to be Sean Connery
    Posted by jkjband[/QUOTE]Sean Connery is right there with Paul Newman. He  was James Bond.
     
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    Coolest Movie characters:

    Steve McQueen - The Great Escape
    Paul Newman - Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
    Robert Redford - Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
    Robert DeNiro - Godfather II
    Yul Brynner - The Magnificent 7
    Charles Bronson - Magnificent Center
    Marlon Brando - The Godfather


    Honorable Mention - James Coburn

     
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    Jessey, may I add for your concideration Charlton Heston in Omega Man?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Give Me Convenience! : Part 2" (Trending) : The best comedy of today pales next to the comedy of the all time greats. Maybe all the good stuff has already been done, maybe it's just getting harder to make people laugh. I don't have the answer. "Comedic timing' is what made the 3 Stooges and Marx Brothers so unforgettable. George Carlin , Rodney Dangerfield, Henny Youngman, Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, Monty Python's Flying Circus all were brilliant. Woody Allen ,Peter Sellers, Lenny Bruce, Saturday Night Live, SCTV....this was funny stuff!...nobody today can do this kind of funny stuff and be noticed nationally because the variety shows that brought these great comics to us are all gone in favor of "reality shows." Tim Conway and Harvey Korman, Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner, the list goes on and on. Two guys who do make me laugh histerically when they team up are Lenny Clarke and Dennis Leary. Also Larry the Cable Guy is pretty good. But as far as comedy shows and movies, I think they are dead.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]  Thanks, Zilla.  I also wonder if it's getting harder to make people laugh, and have no answer for that either.   Maybe we've lost too much of our innocence as a society?  It's not as though there still isn't a lot of great comedy out there, but it is often at someone's expense (sarcastic, mean spirited), which is something I don't really like (that's just taking cheap shots, who can't do that?)  I can remember a few times when I went to the movies with my Dad because he wanted to see something really silly, and my mother refused to go!   My father loved silly humor, and would roar over the most basic prank-style humor; it was very endearing. 

    But also, Zilla ... there are no female comedians in your post; was that an oversight?  ;)   No funny ladies?   No (old style) Joan Rivers?  Weren't Ben Stiller's parents pretty well-known in their day as a comedy routine?   Goldie Hawn in her day?  Burns and Allen?  Tina Fey?  And last, but by no means least (talk about comedic timing) the amazing Lucille Ball?
     
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    So can any of you fellow movie lovers give me a list of movies from the past 10 years that you think are top quality? This will help give me an idea if I am being too hard on today's movies. I am willing to be shown the error of my ways.

    Here are some of my favorites from the past decade. Most of these you can regularly find on cable from time to time, and are definitely worth the two hours IMO!

    Cinderella Man
    The Dark Knight
    Sideways
    Wedding Crashers
    Mystic River
    Million Dollar Baby
    Almost Famous 
    Rounders (actually I think this came out in 99')    
     
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    I made the vast mistake of totally randomly (due to what time it was when I arrived at the theater and having NO knowledge of any of the movies that were playing) watching Sideways while my soon to be ex-husband was packing the last of his things and leaving our house.  It was the worst possible choice for that moment of my life (which hearkens to the "perfect song" thread), but I have to admit it was a great film.  Although, forgive me for adding that I thought the sex scene where the main character had to sneak in and get his wallet was soft porn, not appropriately rated "R. "  It was artsy without being dumb.  And, there wasn't much of a plot but it wasn't boring.  Good choice, Newman.

    Million Dollar Baby was one I was glad I didn't see in the theater; I cried too hard to have been able to walk out to my car.  Another perfect choice, Newman, that elevated director and main character Clint Eastwood to movie making god in my mind.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Give Me Convenience! : Part 2" (Trending) :   Thanks, Zilla.  I also wonder if it's getting harder to make people laugh, and have no answer for that either.   Maybe we've lost too much of our innocence as a society?  It's not as though there still isn't a lot of great humor out there, but it is often at someone's expense (sarcastic, mean spirited), which is something I don't really like (that's just taking cheap shots, who can't do that?)  I can remember a few times when I went to the movies with my Dad because he wanted to see something really silly, and my mother refused to go!   My father loved silly humor, and would roar over the most basic prank-style humor; it was very endearing.  But also, Zilla ... there are no female comedians in your post; was that an oversight?  ;)   No funny ladies?   No (old style) Joan Rivers?  Weren't Ben Stiller's parents pretty well-known in their day as a comedy routine?   Goldie Hawn in her day?  Burns and Allen?  Tina Fey?  And last, but by no means least (talk about comedic timing) the amazing Lucille Ball?       
    Posted by yogafriend[/QUOTE]

    Like sports, rock'nroll and many other forms of entertainment the early days of comedy were very male dominated.

    I will say that , Lucille Ball and Carol Burnett were extremely good, I wasn't a big fan of Totie Fields, Joan Rivers or Phyliss Diller. Jerry Stiller and his wife were a good team, but Jerry was by far the funnier and still is.

    I loved Rosanne Barr when I first saw her do standup, hated her T.V. show. I loved Ellen Degeneres as a stand up comedian, also.

    But by far, the biggest oversight in my neglecting female comics, was to not mention the great Gilda Radner. Although I do think I listed the cast of SNL at some point , this would include her and Jane Curtin , another very funny lady.
     
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    As soon as I saw (and fully agreed with) Gilda Radner, I thought that perhaps Lily Tomlin should be added to the list as well.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Give Me Convenience! : Part 2" (Trending) : devildavid, I really enjoyed your responses.  Loved the "kidult" point of reference.  All great and interesting points of view. Regarding you request for some movie ideas, I checked online for a succinct list, maybe this will help: 10. The Departed 9. City of God 8. Almost Famous 7. Memento 6. Pan’s Labyrinth 5. Lost in Translation 4. There Will Be Blood 3. Amélie 2. The Royal Tenenbaums 1. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind I saw a few of these and they were very, very good.   Have not seen all of them.  I'd also add "High Fidelity" to the list.  Does anyone else have any movies they can recommend for DD?
    Posted by yogafriend[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for the list. Of your list I have only seen The Departed. I remember seeing ads for the most of the rest you listed, but I think none of them sparked any interest for me. (Please don't take this as me being dismissive of your list.) I saw The Departed mainly because I am a big fan of the director Martin Scorsese. This movie was pretty good, but Scorsese has done much better. One of my favorite films of his is Goodfellas.I do tend to look for films by a select group of directors, and today I can only think of Scorsese and the Coen brothers who are still on my radar. I guess a lot of this has to do with personal taste as far as subject matter of the movies. These movies may be very good, but I am unlikely to seek them out to watch. I have a tendency to either watch movies from "my time", which is mainly the 70's and 80's, or to go back to the movies from before "my" time. Don't know if this is a function of my getting "old" or the types of movies being made today vs. the past. It's a tough question to answer objectively.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "Give Me Convenience! : Part 2" (Trending) : Like sports, rock'nroll and many other forms of entertainment the early days of comedy were very male dominated. I will say that , Lucille Ball and Carol Burnett were extremely good, I wasn't a big fan of Totie Fields, Joan Rivers or Phyliss Diller. Jerry Stiller and his wife were a good team, but Jerry was by far the funnier and still is. I loved Rosanne Barr when I first saw her do standup, hated her T.V. show. I loved Ellen Degeneres as a stand up comedian, also. But by far, the biggest oversight in my neglecting female comics, was to not mention the great Gilda Radner. Although I do think I listed the cast of SNL at some point , this would include her and Jane Curtin , another very funny lady.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    Don't forget Andrea Martin and Catherine O'Hara from SCTV. They did some great work on that show.
     
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    i say watch Do the Right Thing. a spike lee joint.
     

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