7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/23/2012 12:22 PM EDT
- yogafriend
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"Mark David Chapman, 57, was denied parole by a three-member board after a hearing Wednesday, the state Department of Corrections said Thursday. The transcript of his latest hearing wasn't immediately released.
Chapman shot Lennon in December 1980 outside the Manhattan apartment building where the former Beatle lived. He was sentenced in 1981 to 20 years to life in prison after pleading guilty to second-degree murder. The musician, singer and songwriter was 40.
"Despite your positive efforts while incarcerated, your release at this time would greatly undermine respect for the law and tend to trivialize the tragic loss of life which you caused as a result of this heinous, unprovoked, violent, cold and calculated crime," board member Sally Thompson wrote. Board members Joseph Crangle and Marc Coppola agreed.
"The panel notes your good conduct, program achievements, educational accomplishments, positive presentation, remorse, risk and needs assessment, letters of support, significant opposition to your release and all other statutory factors were considered," Thompson wrote. "However, parole shall not be granted for good conduct and program completions alone."
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Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 12:12 AM EDT
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Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012:
In Response to Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012 : Well ok. And I'll say: you'll be consistent as long as you apply that to all murderers.
Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow
Did you read the article?
The transcript of the hearing will be released, it just wasn't released yet. If you have any reason to feel the decision to deny parole was unjust, take it up with them. I doubt there's any sane human on the planet who would disagree with the denial.
Seriously, dude, give it a rest.
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 12:18 PM EDT
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Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012:
dude, give it a rest.
Posted by yogafriend
Ok. I won't voice opinions.
I mean, John Lennon wasn't a great musician. He was a God. It is sacriledge for me to dare suggest that when someone makes a decision about parole, I would personally expect it to have to do with (1) the nature of the crime, (2) the nature of the individual, and not the victim's status.
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 1:14 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012 : Ok. I won't voice opinions. I mean, John Lennon wasn't a great musician. He was a God. It is sacriledge for me to dare suggest that when someone makes a decision about parole, I would personally expect it to have to do with (1) the nature of the crime, (2) the nature of the individual, and not the victim's status.
Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow
You read an awful lot into four words, and words that didn't say a thing about not stating your opinion.
Lennon was no God to me, and inferring that expressing an opinion is "sacriledge" just shows your own sarcastic viewpoint, and has nothing to do with my comment -- related more to your combativeness in style, not the content of what you said. Should I have made that more clear? My bad.
As for the decision, I don't think there was anything in the article that indicated that the status of the victim played into the decision, but if you see a need to question it, then go right ahead. If you had read the article, then you would have seen Lennon's name was never mentioned in the statement regarding the decision but had only to do with the nature of the crime.
I have no intention of arguing with you, BTW, and hope you know me well enough from this forum that I've never tried to halt anyone from expressing an opinion; I start more than 50% of the threads here for the sole purpose of creating discussions and giving voice to opinions, and hardly feel the need to defend myself, or make something out of nothing. Have a nice afternoon.
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 1:19 PM EDT
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Let him out. There is a price on his head in the street. He won't last a month. Better a bullet in his head than my tax dollars being spent to keep him alive.
And yes, I do view him differently than other murders. Should have been a murder 1 charge, not a murder 2.
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 1:21 PM EDT
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Let him out. There is a price on his head in the street. He won't last a month. Better a bullet in his head than my tax dollars being spent to keep him alive. And yes, I do view him differently than other murders. Should have been a murder 1 charge, not a murder 2.
Posted by jesseyeric
Yes, I was thinking of your uncle at the thought of him being out on the streets of New York ... :D
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 4:59 PM EDT
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Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012:
You read an awful lot into four words, and words that didn't say a thing about not stating your opinion.
Posted by yogafriend
Perhaps I misread your post. But when I read:
If you have any reason to feel the decision to deny parole was unjust, take it up with them.
I doubt there's any sane human on the planet who would disagree with the denial.
Seriously, dude, give it a rest.
Posted by yogafriend
I see a polite version of " Oh, you think that? I don't care. You're wrong. Be quiet because I don't want to hear about it."
Which kind of rubs me the wrong way, generally. Apologies if I misread it...but I have a hard time seeing another meaning other than the polite translation...
To be clear: I
don't have any opinion about whether he should be released. I never said I disagreed with the decision, or anything like it, so I have nothing to take up with the parole board.
Just expressing the general opiion that I would expect parole not to look at the status of the victim. Why would they? If it's a homeless drug addict who gets shot, why should that matter to them anymore than if it's a five year old? The problem is that considering the victim's status creates the danger of, "oh, well, the victim was a homeless drunk. Who cares? Let 'em out"....
To me, an innocent human life is an innocent human life. And the real questions are - is there anything about this person that make them worthy of release, and do we think there's any chance he'll commit other crimes if we let him out?
That's all.
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/24/2012 6:58 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012 : Well ok. And I'll say: you'll be consistent as long as you apply that to all murderers.
Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow
No, no, no.....there was
no "reasonable doubt" here! He was caught red handed!
I would apply the same standard to all those caught with a smoking gun in hand! Why not?
Flush this turd! IMHO
Re: 7th denial of parole for John Lennon's killer - August 23, 2012
posted at 8/25/2012 8:57 AM EDT
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Here is a pic from the Magical Mystery Tour. Thats John. Note the sign in the lower right. "THE BEST WAY TO GO IS BY M&D CO", but the O in CO is cut off.
MDC. Mark David Chapman.
Oh, and M&D Co was a funeral home.
Cue the Twilight Zone Music
