Re: Bands that share songwriting credit
posted at 8/24/2013 2:20 AM EDT
In response to russgriswold's comment:
In response to yogafriend's comment:
In response to devildavid's comment:
I prefer accuracy in credits. That being said, if the entire band contributes to the overall creation and construction of the song, I think they deserve credit even if the main, original idea for the song came mainly from one or two members. It all depends on how they work as a band. If there is one leader who pretty much writes the songs and orchestrates everything, they deserve most of the credit. This may appear egotistical, but if it is accurate I have no problem with that.
Songwriting credit can be tricky, and sometimes credit is given more as a sign of ownership than actual creative input. I prefer it to be strictly about creative input. Each musician in a band brings their own distinct contribution to the sound of the songs, but that is not quite the same as the creation and shaping of a song.
Now can you flip over the cards and let me know the bands that give equal credit to all members? Right now I can't come up with any.
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Actually, I don't think it's egotistical to assign credit where it is due in the case of song writing. It's a talent and a skill -- that deserves to be given to the people who are gifted in that realm. You could say the producer or the recording engineers are also part of the creative input regarding the ultimate way a song is recorded and arranged, but the song writing is entirely separate, and in most cases, not really shared among a group.
So do you want us to call you "Dee Dee" from now on?! You know, I have a few friends that call me Yoga these days ... it's not that far fetched for a screen name to take hold.
Oh, and Coldplay is another band that is known for doing band songwriting credits on their albums.
I think Coldplay is boring with all songs sounding the same, but they should get credit for doing that part right.
Here's my thing:
Outside of the rhythm section, not that it's not vital, how can a two guitar band or a one guitar band with keyboards, not includes those instruments with the credits, especially if the people playing those instruments have key parts in the melody?
It makes no sense. If you have 2 key pieces of the melody that make the song, whoever wrote it, should get credit.
Like, for example, the Dead had two writers of the music. Jerry wrote 90% of the material and he worked with a lyricist, Robert Hunter.
THen, Bob Weir, not as talented, wrote stuff with a guy named John Barlow. So, the main people who wrote the melodies and lyrics were those people.
Look at John Paul Jones from Zeppelin. Totally robbed on many compositions. He was a huge presence on keys for them and wrote and produced a lot of the stuff on their last album in 1979.
When you have multiple talents all over the band, you're better off conceding credits. It'd be different if the band mates you hired never contributed parts to the songs, but that is usually not the case with bands.
The Band had a major issue with Robbie Robertson and their legal issues, where he claimed to be the chief songwriter, etc. Traffic is another band that had egos clash between members, too.
The Eagles had issues. Don Felder wrote the music for Hotel California and never got a credit. That's weak. That song was the backdrop of their biggest album by far and made them millionaires.
Good post, but you may be confusing songwriting, with song arranging. For a lot of bands, it's the folks who actually sit down and write the melody, or lyrics, that get the songwriting credit. When a flute, drum, guitar, etc, is part/solo is added, its is usually considered part of the arrangment and not part of the songwritng process. It's a fine line. The songwriter, who pens the song, is not about to surrender those roylaties even if another band member introduces a fantastic guitar solo which becomes the song's signature.. Fair or not, it is standard practice in the music business, along with intellectual property copywriting . There are a few noteable exceptions, some already discussed above, bands who put their differences aside, and consider the whole song writng process to include everything from sitting down at the laptop, and piano alone, to studio work, rehersal, etc..and take everyone's contribution's and dole out songwriting credits after it is recorded. U2 is a great example of that. With them you often see not only band members given credit, but the record producer as well.