Re: Gene Simmons:
posted at 3/20/2014 2:21 PM EDT
In response to ZILLAGOD's comment:
Every artist you name in your above post is acceptable under the term 'Rock'N'Roll'...I will list them again (in order) for those who do not wish to reread your reply.
Jerry Lee Lewis
Let me start by saying that I don't say I am completely disagreeing with your points of view. I thought by saying that I cannot view this point as an "average listener" , which is what I meant. None of us here are "average" ...if there is such a thing.
This museum is attempting ro reach the masses. They do not stay true to the theme which is Rock 'N'Roll music.....instead they go beyond to music that is "touched by" or "influenced by" Rock. Indeed the term "Rock Music" has been over-used, ,polluted and since the 80's ( the decade that ruined us...but that's another subject , for another time and maybe another place) it has changed to define anything that is under the umbrella of "popular music."
Of course, the Beatles "progressed" beyond Rock'N'Roll to become the first PROG ROCK band...not everything they did after Sgt. Pepper was Rock, or Prog. they did some Folky stuff (Rocky Raccoon), some Classical stuff ( Good Night), some Blues (Don't Bring Me Down, Yer Blues), some jazzy stuff ( Get You Into My Life). This is whay they were who they were....simply the best. But, they did start out as a Rock band and will always be considered under that heading first and last and always.
There are many bands that I like who are in the RRHOF...one of them is ABBA.....they were a fantastic POP band and they recorded , perhaps, the only DISCO song that I really like....'Dancing Queen.' Overplayed-yes. Rock 'N'Roll- sort of. Good music - no doubt in my mind. Do they belong in a ROCK 'N'ROLL Hall Of Fame?...not from where I'm sitting, Jack.
This is what gets me on my high horse....and I am not saying right or wrong, just what I believe to be a total shame:
Not in RRHOF:
How many top selling albums did Foriegner have in the 70s and 80s?...how many Journey songs do you hear daily on classic Rock stations?.....how many Heavy Metal fans were growing up when the mighty Iron Maiden defied the experts of the 80s who said the genre was "dead?"
Don't misunderstand me.
I love Neil Diamond's music....'Brooklyn Roads' is a really nice song...a favorite....and I have a couple of his GH Cds.
But this guy is not a ROCK ARTIST....neither is ABBA, and the others are all brilliant at what they do. It just isn't what we call ROCK.....Foriegner is ROCK. Rush adn Deep Purple whoe were ignored for so long are ROCK, why is Madonna who started later, in first?
Put all the ROCK bands that should be honored in....then progress to offshoots and other genres.....that would be a better process.
Yes, Nick Lowe should be in there...what in hell are they thinking? Of course everything he's done except 'Cruel To Be Kind' has been forgotten already. Dave Edmunds should be honored also....the two were the centerpieces of the great Rockpile, the best Rock'N'Roll band most of your freinds have never heard about.
Lyrics of the day:
From the song 'Oh, Well' by the great Peter Green of the original Fleetwood Mac:
"don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to"
From Graham Parker:
"hey Lord, don't ask me questions....there ain't no answer in me."
I think I understand where you are coming from, but without some kind of criteria as to describe what rock 'n' roll music is, it is difficult to come to a reasonable definiton. A band such as Funkadelic, who you don't like, is just as much of a rock performer as were James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, and Sly and the Family Stone, who all had an influence on them. Are progressive bands such as Yes, Genesis, King Crimson rock 'n' roll bands? Are the dissonant songs of the Velvet Underground rock 'n' roll? Neil Diamond may or may not be pure rock 'n' roll, but what about songs like "Kentucky Woman", "Cherry Cherry", "Solitary Man", and "I'm a Believer"? Roy Orbison started off with a rockabilly sound but mutated into something entirely different. Is he a rock 'n' roll artist?
It's kind of like shooting fish in a barrel to use heavy metal bands as examples of "real" rock. Well of course they are because "they rock". But not all rock 'n' roll music fits into that oversimplified cliche. Just because music is loud or "heavy" does it mean it is more real rock 'n' roll than softer, less "heavy" music is not. A song like Black Sabbath's "Iron Man" is so far from the original rock 'n' roll sound of the 50's as to be almost and entirely different kind of music. In fact, the classical influence on heavy metal and prog rock could call into question how really bona fide rock 'n' roll they are.
I think there is plenty of room under the rock 'n' roll umbrella for music that is seemingly as diffferent as night and day. That, to me, is the beauty of rock'n' roll music and why it is so resilient. Rock music can't be "watered down" by being inclusive of all it's sub-genres. Even Pat Boone contributed to the success of rock 'n' roll music whether we like it or not.