General catch-all music discussion

  • Edit/rename discussion
  • Make sticky
  • Archive discussion
  • Move discussion
  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hfxsoxnut. Show Hfxsoxnut's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to yogafriend's comment:

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    Say hello to the forum's newest Pixies fan.  I bought their Doolittle album based solely on the comments about them by forum members and I love it.  Hard to believe they totally escaped my attention until now.  I can honestly say if it wasn't for this forum I probably never would have heard them.  So that's pretty cool.

    Congrats, BTW.  That *is* very cool for you.   

     



    Yeah...I think the Pixies are right up my alley.  I may come across as a classic hard rock fiend, and I am, but I also love stuff like this.  Weird and inventive and tuneful.

     

     
  2. This post has been removed.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    I should add that there are different schools of thought on this.  There are certain musicians who are or were adamantly opposed to drugs.  Randy Bachman of the Guess Who and BTO says he's never even had a drink in his life (he's a Mormon), and he has written and played some of the best songs in Canadian music history.  (Ironically, perhaps, he's a close friend of Neil Young.)

    Frank Zappa was militantly anti-drug.  He would kick you out of his house or his band if you did drugs.  Rory Gallagher didn't tolerate drugs around him either.  And again, these are two great musicians and songwriters.

    Whatever works, or doesn't work, I guess, is the bottom line.

     



    I think using the words Randy Bachman and "good" and tying it into never having a drink explains why Randy Bachman isn't that good. lol

     

    It's like Ted Nugent. The guy can't write a song to save his life and he's never had a drink, smoke, nothing. Yet, Nugent would mock Jerry Garcia, which is hilarious to me. 

    I am a firm believer in creative people using creative things to alter their minds a bit.  Obviously, losing your edge is another story.

     



    Just because you don't like Bachman's or Nugent's work does not mean they have not written good songs. And what about Zappa and Trower? No put downs for these two? If someone is already creative why do they need substances to alter their mind? What is gained in doing so? Be specific.

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    I should add that there are different schools of thought on this.  There are certain musicians who are or were adamantly opposed to drugs.  Randy Bachman of the Guess Who and BTO says he's never even had a drink in his life (he's a Mormon), and he has written and played some of the best songs in Canadian music history.  (Ironically, perhaps, he's a close friend of Neil Young.)

    Frank Zappa was militantly anti-drug.  He would kick you out of his house or his band if you did drugs.  Rory Gallagher didn't tolerate drugs around him either.  And again, these are two great musicians and songwriters.

    Whatever works, or doesn't work, I guess, is the bottom line.

     



    I think using the words Randy Bachman and "good" and tying it into never having a drink explains why Randy Bachman isn't that good. lol

     

    It's like Ted Nugent. The guy can't write a song to save his life and he's never had a drink, smoke, nothing. Yet, Nugent would mock Jerry Garcia, which is hilarious to me. 

    I am a firm believer in creative people using creative things to alter their minds a bit.  Obviously, losing your edge is another story.

     

     



    Just because you don't like Bachman's or Nugent's work does not mean they have not written good songs. And what about Zappa and Trower? No put downs for these two? If someone is already creative why do they need substances to alter their mind? What is gained in doing so? Be specific.

     



    I'm going to jump in here and de-emphasize the "creativity" aspect of drug use, because I think it's misguided, at best.

    I think it's absolutely true that some creative people can still create without chemical enhancements, and yet some creatives can create with them, but that doesn't speak to why people in general take them in the first place.

    For some it's purely social, not a 'lifestyle'.  For others, it can streamline the thought process when the mind is racing.  For some, it's purely an escape from everyday pressures.  (Depends on the drug, too.  Heroin is a creative black hole, IMO, while pot is just a funny-smelling herb.)

    The point, I believe, is that creative people are still just people, and everyone needs a release, but I think it belabors the point to argue that the drugs are the direct cause of artistic brilliance.  The Beatles were doing great work before they ever got high; all drugs did was change their perspective slightly, and/or release a bit of the intense pressure of being "The Beatles".

    A worthy topic.  I often think it's funny though, how fans often project their sensibilities onto their musical heroes.  The truth is probably less dramatic as it's seen to be from the outside.

     

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from leafswin27. Show leafswin27's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    Say hello to the forum's newest Pixies fan.  I bought their Doolittle album based solely on the comments about them by forum members and I love it.  Hard to believe they totally escaped my attention until now.  I can honestly say if it wasn't for this forum I probably never would have heard them.  So that's pretty cool.

     



    Give Surfer Rosa a listen to next. I have loved the Pixies from the first time I heard Come on Pilgrim. I went to a show years ago at the club across from Fenway. Not sure what it was called then. Might have been Spit.. anyway there were three bands.. The headliner was the Sugarcubes (they were awful that night) 2nd was Peter Murphy (meh) the first band on that night was the Pixies. I barely new them but was totally blown away. Joey Santiagos guitar was incredible and the sweet voice of the great Kim Deal..I am a huge fan .... pretty influential band.. count David Bowie as one of their biggest supporters as well

     

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to devildavid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    I should add that there are different schools of thought on this.  There are certain musicians who are or were adamantly opposed to drugs.  Randy Bachman of the Guess Who and BTO says he's never even had a drink in his life (he's a Mormon), and he has written and played some of the best songs in Canadian music history.  (Ironically, perhaps, he's a close friend of Neil Young.)

    Frank Zappa was militantly anti-drug.  He would kick you out of his house or his band if you did drugs.  Rory Gallagher didn't tolerate drugs around him either.  And again, these are two great musicians and songwriters.

    Whatever works, or doesn't work, I guess, is the bottom line.

     



    I think using the words Randy Bachman and "good" and tying it into never having a drink explains why Randy Bachman isn't that good. lol

     

    It's like Ted Nugent. The guy can't write a song to save his life and he's never had a drink, smoke, nothing. Yet, Nugent would mock Jerry Garcia, which is hilarious to me. 

    I am a firm believer in creative people using creative things to alter their minds a bit.  Obviously, losing your edge is another story.

     

     



    Just because you don't like Bachman's or Nugent's work does not mean they have not written good songs. And what about Zappa and Trower? No put downs for these two? If someone is already creative why do they need substances to alter their mind? What is gained in doing so? Be specific.

     

     



    I'm going to jump in here and de-emphasize the "creativity" aspect of drug use, because I think it's misguided, at best.

     

    I think it's absolutely true that some creative people can still create without chemical enhancements, and yet some creatives can create with them, but that doesn't speak to why people in general take them in the first place.

    For some it's purely social, not a 'lifestyle'.  For others, it can streamline the thought process when the mind is racing.  For some, it's purely an escape from everyday pressures.  (Depends on the drug, too.  Heroin is a creative black hole, IMO, while pot is just a funny-smelling herb.)

    The point, I believe, is that creative people are still just people, and everyone needs a release, but I think it belabors the point to argue that the drugs are the direct cause of artistic brilliance.  The Beatles were doing great work before they ever got high; all drugs did was change their perspective slightly, and/or release a bit of the intense pressure of being "The Beatles".

    A worthy topic.  I often think it's funny though, how fans often project their sensibilities onto their musical heroes.  The truth is probably less dramatic as it's seen to be from the outside.

     



    I agree. I think there is evidence that drugs can impact the type of music created, but it doesn't mean that the music is more creative, just different. I don't take a position that drugs are bad, that is up to the individual. I just disagree with the assumption that the music created in conjunction with drug use is necessarily more creative. Sometimes it may be, other times not.

    The great Etta James wrote, "Some people can't work high. I can. I don't want to boast, but I may be one of those singers who has enough power to overcome the fog and filter of drugs."

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to devildavid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    I should add that there are different schools of thought on this.  There are certain musicians who are or were adamantly opposed to drugs.  Randy Bachman of the Guess Who and BTO says he's never even had a drink in his life (he's a Mormon), and he has written and played some of the best songs in Canadian music history.  (Ironically, perhaps, he's a close friend of Neil Young.)

    Frank Zappa was militantly anti-drug.  He would kick you out of his house or his band if you did drugs.  Rory Gallagher didn't tolerate drugs around him either.  And again, these are two great musicians and songwriters.

    Whatever works, or doesn't work, I guess, is the bottom line.

     



    I think using the words Randy Bachman and "good" and tying it into never having a drink explains why Randy Bachman isn't that good. lol

     

    It's like Ted Nugent. The guy can't write a song to save his life and he's never had a drink, smoke, nothing. Yet, Nugent would mock Jerry Garcia, which is hilarious to me. 

    I am a firm believer in creative people using creative things to alter their minds a bit.  Obviously, losing your edge is another story.

     

     



    Just because you don't like Bachman's or Nugent's work does not mean they have not written good songs. And what about Zappa and Trower? No put downs for these two? If someone is already creative why do they need substances to alter their mind? What is gained in doing so? Be specific.

     

     



    I'm going to jump in here and de-emphasize the "creativity" aspect of drug use, because I think it's misguided, at best.

     

    I think it's absolutely true that some creative people can still create without chemical enhancements, and yet some creatives can create with them, but that doesn't speak to why people in general take them in the first place.

    For some it's purely social, not a 'lifestyle'.  For others, it can streamline the thought process when the mind is racing.  For some, it's purely an escape from everyday pressures.  (Depends on the drug, too.  Heroin is a creative black hole, IMO, while pot is just a funny-smelling herb.)

    The point, I believe, is that creative people are still just people, and everyone needs a release, but I think it belabors the point to argue that the drugs are the direct cause of artistic brilliance.  The Beatles were doing great work before they ever got high; all drugs did was change their perspective slightly, and/or release a bit of the intense pressure of being "The Beatles".

    A worthy topic.  I often think it's funny though, how fans often project their sensibilities onto their musical heroes.  The truth is probably less dramatic as it's seen to be from the outside.

     

     



    I agree. I think there is evidence that drugs can impact the type of music created, but it doesn't mean that the music is more creative, just different. I don't take a position that drugs are bad, that is up to the individual. I just disagree with the assumption that the music created in conjunction with drug use is necessarily more creative. Sometimes it may be, other times not.

     

    The great Etta James wrote, "Some people can't work high. I can. I don't want to boast, but I may be one of those singers who has enough power to overcome the fog and filter of drugs."



    Great quote.

    Even for the Dead, who really explored the group dynamics of drug use and live improvisation, eventually understood that what works one day doesn't always work the next.  And tragically, it's a lesson that Jerry never completely learned, to our loss.

     

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from RogerTaylor. Show RogerTaylor's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    For Pixies fan's! loudQUIETloud: A Film About the Pixies Feature Film | Not Rated | 1:25:30 | Released: 2006 "FREE" to watch on crackle.com.......Enjoy!

     
  9. This post has been removed.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from leafswin27. Show leafswin27's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to RogerTaylor's comment:

    For Pixies fan's! loudQUIETloud: A Film About the Pixies Feature Film | Not Rated | 1:25:30 | Released: 2006 "FREE" to watch on crackle.com.......Enjoy!




    thanks Roger

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

     

    I was somewhat kidding.  Half joke. Yeah, I don't think Bachman and Ted Nugent are at the top of the list of songwriters.  Limited, one dimensional styles, etc.   Hey, it's not rap, but I wouldn't remotely refernece either as great songwriters or musicians either.  What's next Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons? lol

     

    Yep, not a Zappa or Trower fan.  Would rather listen to John Denver after he ripped a doober.

    hehe

    Anyway, I just feel drugs/booze can actually help artists who already creative people, be more creative.    Not trying to promote drugs or alcohol, I just feel it's the truth after a ton of evidence.

     



    You say there is a "ton' of evidence. Tell me what this evidence is.

    Frank Zappa did not have a one dimensional stye of songwriting. You simply don't like him. That doesn't make him a less creative songwriter.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    You say there is a "ton' of evidence. Tell me what this evidence is.



    I tend to agree with his statement as long as its with the caveat that it's limited to only certain people.

    Though, with regard to what Matty suggested, I have to say "more creative" vs. "creative, but in a different way" doesn't cut a clear distinction for me.

     

    But, I don't think there can be "evidence" for him to give you. I don't think it makes any sense to say "well, let's look at what Keith Richards did when he was into coke and heroin. Then let's look at what he did when he was just a drunk. Oh, clearly coke and heroin improve creativity."

    The serious drugs stage was when he was between young and middle adulthood. Then he replaced hard drugs with large quantities of liquor (and apparently hasn't let up - "It's like breathing for me," he writes in his autobiography). But he aged. The band changed. He already wrote the Exile riffs, so, he's got to do something different. One cannot tease out a particular cause for changes in his playing.

    The only way you could develop such evidence is by an impossible controlled experiment: Watch what happens in two universes, one in which the person is sober through certain ages, the other in which they get high through the same ages.

     

     

     

    All I can say is when I was much younger and did a lot of painting and drawing, I felt that I did my most creative things when high. Sketches, pastels, less precise painting seemed to turn out better.

    However, it detracted from focus on detail so I would stay away from graphite or careful watercolor work. It really depended on what I was doing.

    (I sort of detect a difference like that between 1985 SRV and 1989-90 SRV live recordings)

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    You say there is a "ton' of evidence. Tell me what this evidence is.

     



    I tend to agree with his statement as long as its with the caveat that it's limited to only certain people.

    Though, with regard to what Matty suggested, I have to say "more creative" vs. "creative, but in a different way" doesn't cut a clear distinction for me.

     

    But, I don't think there can be "evidence" for him to give you. I don't think it makes any sense to say "well, let's look at what Keith Richards did when he was into coke and heroin. Then let's look at what he did when he was just a drunk. Oh, clearly coke and heroin improve creativity."

    The serious drugs stage was when he was between young and middle adulthood. Then he replaced hard drugs with large quantities of liquor (and apparently hasn't let up - "It's like breathing for me," he writes in his autobiography). But he aged. The band changed. He already wrote the Exile riffs, so, he's got to do something different. One cannot tease out a particular cause for changes in his playing.

    The only way you could develop such evidence is by an impossible controlled experiment: Watch what happens in two universes, one in which the person is sober through certain ages, the other in which they get high through the same ages.

     

     

     

    All I can say is when I was much younger and did a lot of painting and drawing, I felt that I did my most creative things when high. Sketches, pastels, less precise painting seemed to turn out better.

    However, it detracted from focus on detail so I would stay away from graphite or careful watercolor work. It really depended on what I was doing.

    (I sort of detect a difference like that between 1985 SRV and 1989-90 SRV live recordings)



    Maybe you felt you were more creative because you were younger, or maybe creativity is greater when you are younger.

    You make a great point about the impossible experiment. So why do so many persist in believing that drugs necessarily enhance creativity? I leave the question open. However, it is a fact that drugs affect our perception. Because of this, I can see how drugs can affect artistic output. That is all I can say with certainty.

     

     
  14. This post has been removed.

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to devildavid's comment:

    why do so many persist in believing that drugs necessarily enhance creativity?



    I think a lot of it is personal anecdote. Rightly or wrongly they believe they are themselves more artistically creative when high.

    Or, as RockScully reasons, just look at the high vs. non-high work of various artists. I did take issue with that to some extent in my post, because it requires that we make assumptions: That they burned out, not simply aged and changed in taste/style.


    How much can we really say that the later Stones albums are not up to snuff because the drug use dropped off in general? The band's dynamics changed quite a bit, per Richards' account. And it's not like they went entirely sober, just stopped doing so many hard drugs.

    I think Slash is counter-evidence. So his new stuff doesn't include a November Rain or Estranged riff, and it's not as delicate. It's louder, rougher, often faster. But it's still seriously rocking and I can't really say which is "better".  (He's sober now, used to be one of the biggest fiends of the lot). Just as creative as ever, though, I think.

     

     And SRV? Well he was full of fire after sobering up. Didn't burn out one bit.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    All I can say is when I was much younger and did a lot of painting and drawing, I felt that I did my most creative things when high. Sketches, pastels, less precise painting seemed to turn out better.

    However, it detracted from focus on detail so I would stay away from graphite or careful watercolor work. It really depended on what I was doing.


    As someone who graduated from art school many moons ago, I can certainly relate.

    Yet, in your personal anecdote is an example of "more creative" vs. "differently creative".

    One of the most creative, accomplished artists I worked with back then was a total straight-edge and vegan, a personal lifestyle choice which may or may not have contributed to the success of his art.  (He's still at it today and still impressive.)

     

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    ibid.  "correlation without causation"

     

     

     
  18. This post has been removed.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hfxsoxnut. Show Hfxsoxnut's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    I think that certain substances may act as 'de-inhibitors' that, figuratively speaking, may open up blocked passages in the mind for some people.

    My only experience with this comes from writing prose.  And my first certifiable experience was pretty humorous.  In university I was taking some English courses and in one I had to write a paper on a Jane Austen novel.  It was horribly boring and I couldn't get motivated at all.  With just a couple of days before the deadline I had the paper about half written and what I had written was not very good.  So I go out and get a big smoke buzz on and when I come home I decide it's time to finish this paper.  I'm still having to force myself to do it but I find I'm starting to really think about the characters and get some insights and the words really start flowing.

    My mother was typing up my papers at the time.  As she was typing this one she kept commenting on how much better the second half of it was.  The professor said the same thing.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I think that certain substances may act as 'de-inhibitors' that, figuratively speaking, may open up blocked passages in the mind for some people.

    My only experience with this comes from writing prose.  And my first certifiable experience was pretty humorous.  In university I was taking some English courses and in one I had to write a paper on a Jane Austen novel.  It was horribly boring and I couldn't get motivated at all.  With just a couple of days before the deadline I had the paper about half written and what I had written was not very good.  So I go out and get a big smoke buzz on and when I come home I decide it's time to finish this paper.  I'm still having to force myself to do it but I find I'm starting to really think about the characters and get some insights and the words really start flowing.

    My mother was typing up my papers at the time.  As she was typing this one she kept commenting on how much better the second half of it was.  The professor said the same thing.




    Heh.


    In college, I would do the brain-storming and do the first draft of just about every paper high as a kite. The next day, while sober, I'd edit and weave the rest that would be much better stylistically.

    (I also had a habit of occasionally stepping away from a conversation in a party to quickly jot down a paper idea that sprung into my head mid-rum-chug or whatever it was).

    The system worked very well. Don't think I submitted any college papers that got less than an A-.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I think that certain substances may act as 'de-inhibitors' that, figuratively speaking, may open up blocked passages in the mind for some people.

    My only experience with this comes from writing prose.  And my first certifiable experience was pretty humorous.  In university I was taking some English courses and in one I had to write a paper on a Jane Austen novel.  It was horribly boring and I couldn't get motivated at all.  With just a couple of days before the deadline I had the paper about half written and what I had written was not very good.  So I go out and get a big smoke buzz on and when I come home I decide it's time to finish this paper.  I'm still having to force myself to do it but I find I'm starting to really think about the characters and get some insights and the words really start flowing.

    My mother was typing up my papers at the time.  As she was typing this one she kept commenting on how much better the second half of it was.  The professor said the same thing.



    George Carlin said something to this effect.  In his mid-to-later years, he was mostly clean and sober, except for the occasional joint.  (At that age, it's no sin.)  He said he would be working, stuck on some word or phrase, then take one hit, and then zoom!...he was off to the races.

    He fully admitted his transgressions and addictive personality traits but also how and which 'enhancers' either helped or hurt his performances.  And given 40 years of performing live and on tv, that's a pretty big sample size.

     

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhatDoYouWantNow. Show WhatDoYouWantNow's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    For example, I think it was In Step in '89 for SRV. Very good album, but I am not sure it's that good. It's as good as anything he was doing before, but with a cleaner, slicker production.  I don't think anything was going to change how great of a guitar player he was anyway.  High or not high, he was that good.


    Definitely. I mainly had in my head live performances since that is what I prefer with SRV. To get TMI with it, I was mentally comparing the 1985 Montreaux with the 1989 Austin....


    Or the 1989ish live w/ Albert King CD.

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from MattyScornD. Show MattyScornD's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    For example, I think it was In Step in '89 for SRV. Very good album, but I am not sure it's that good. It's as good as anything he was doing before, but with a cleaner, slicker production.  I don't think anything was going to change how great of a guitar player he was anyway.  High or not high, he was that good.



    Definitely. I mainly had in my head live performances since that is what I prefer with SRV. To get TMI with it, I was mentally comparing the 1985 Montreaux with the 1989 Austin....

     


    Or the 1989ish live w/ Albert King CD.



    I was at one of his last shows in Detroit before he died.  It was life-changing.  

    I think I gave up trying to play guitar that same week.

     

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to RockScully's comment:

    In response to devildavid's comment:

     

    In response to RockScully's comment:

     

     

     

    I was somewhat kidding.  Half joke. Yeah, I don't think Bachman and Ted Nugent are at the top of the list of songwriters.  Limited, one dimensional styles, etc.   Hey, it's not rap, but I wouldn't remotely refernece either as great songwriters or musicians either.  What's next Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons? lol

     

    Yep, not a Zappa or Trower fan.  Would rather listen to John Denver after he ripped a doober.

    hehe

    Anyway, I just feel drugs/booze can actually help artists who already creative people, be more creative.    Not trying to promote drugs or alcohol, I just feel it's the truth after a ton of evidence.

     

     



    You say there is a "ton' of evidence. Tell me what this evidence is.

     

    Frank Zappa did not have a one dimensional stye of songwriting. You simply don't like him. That doesn't make him a less creative songwriter.

     




    Do you have a problem? I didn't say Zappa did. I said Bachman and Nugent did. I am well aware of Zappa's quirky material.

     

    The evidence lies in examples like the Stones, the Allmans, the Dead, the Crowes, The Who, Zeppelin, etc, really any band that engaged in taking drugs and drinking a lot and when they went into rehab and stopped.

    Look at the material.

    It's night and day.  They go hand in hand.  They go overboard and lose their edge after dabbling excessively, have to go into a rehab, and when they come out, the music and creativity sounds neutered.

    Like I said, plenty of evidence.  It's always like that.  Elton John is another example.   Rehab in the late 1980s, what quality original material has he done since?

     



    Besides going into rehab they were also older. That is not evidence of the effects of lack of drug use so much as it is the effects of aging. Most musical artists creativity tends to dry up as they age. It is also evidence of the effects of drug abuse.

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    Re: General catch-all music discussion

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    ibid.  "correlation without causation"

     

     




    It is easy to conflate correlation with causation.

     

LOG IN TO COMMENT

Already registered? Just log in:
E-mail:
Password:

Forgot your password?

Please note, if you've previously registered with Facebook on Boston.com, for security reasons, you will be required to create a Boston.com password to access the area of the site. Please click here to create your password.
Not registered? Signing up is easy:
Please take a minute to register. After you register and pick a screen name, you can publish your comments everywhere on the site. Posting Policy .