Re: Have we discussed Prog Rock yet in any length
posted at 11/17/2010 2:43 PM EST
In Response to Re: Have we discussed Prog Rock yet in any length
[QUOTE]There are many people who don't even know what it is. Progressive is a "gray area" type term. What is "progress" in music? What is "progress" in life? It can be a highly debated term. Since we are here to "debate" stuff, late's have at it. Classic rock is a title that lumped together all the styles from the post- Beatles era on into the MTV video era and even beyond into the "Grunge Era." Which of these groups is NOT progressive? Which are? Boston NO
Jethro Tull YES
The Cars NO
Uriah Heep NO
McCartney and Wings NO
David Bowie SOMETIMES
The Clash NO
The Eagles NO
Seems easy, but even though we don't consider 'The Cars' as "progressive" why not?...was this not a group that "progressed" music to another level?...do they not employ the same instruments as Yes? ( guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, vocals). Didn't David Bowie do a lot of "progressive music" with Eno in the mid 70's? Isn't 'Rock in the Casbah' sort of progressive?...they are known as a "punk" band but this song is not a "punk" song. Is Foreigner "progressive?" Why not?
Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]
"Progressive" should refer to taking rock music beyond the customary trappings and conventions of rock music and incorporating other genres such as jazz, classical, avant garde, etc.
Take the Moody Blues, for instance. Their early music was fairly derivative British Invasion pop/rock. However, "Days Of Future Passed" incorporated a full symphony and strained the concept of what a pop/rock song could be.
For me though, this category starts with Pink Floyd - though they were referred to as "acid rock" and "space rock". They used classical arrangements, varying time signatures, electronic manipulation and avant garde recording methods to transcend rock and elevate it to an almost orchestral level.
A lot of classic rock bands weren't overtly progressive but sometimes had progressive tendencies. The Grateful Dead played a lot of traditional blues and bluegrass music, but their improvisational performing style WAS progressive and showed clear leanings toward jazz and spacier arrangements.
Paul Simon started as a very talented typical folk-rock singer-songwriter and experimented with various styles (some more successfully than others). He wasn't necessarily a progressive artist, however "Graceland" is a progressive album, IMO, with the way it overtly co-opted traditional south african music into a newer paradigm of pop music.