Re: I was recently reminded of how bad the 80's were
posted at 3/7/2012 8:47 AM EST
In Response to Re: I was recently reminded of how bad the 80's were
So, JesseyEric, me being mocked originally (yoga gal put two of my comments into quotes) and explaining that I have pretty good music knowledge to feel comortable to speak accurately from a historical angle, is now me being arrogant? Isn't that interesting. So, only the people that are veterans here can mock, but when I say I actually know a lot about music and the history of music, this is "arrogance"? Laughable. You pointing that out is what is arrogant. I am just trying to defend myself from the original mocking of my own comments on the topic. Like I said, you seem to have a litle clique here, so enjoy that. For everyone else, I think it's pretty clear this discussion was very obviously speaking in generalties, so thank you for not being uptight and noting that and moving on. I'll just make a mental note of who is into discussing and who isn't and tread lightly from now on here. This isn't a place to write a 25 page dissertation about music history and it's not some pissing contest either. Again, OF COURSE there are notable exceptions. Of course. However, the 80s are generally known to any music fan out there to be an awkward era that yielded the least amoung of quality music in preceding or decades that followed. I don't know how much more clearly that can be stated or known. For every 1 great artist originating in the 1980s, anyone could literally name 10 from the 1960s, 70s or even in the 1990s that are on the same level or even better. Is U2 really better than the Beatles? Of course not. Bonnie Raitt disappeared for example because of artists like Madonna. I think, that, in a nutshell sums up the 1980s by comparison, very well.
Posted by BassFishing
But you see, Bonnie didn't disappear because of Madonna. She has her niche and can never be stalled in that niche. Mott the Hoople has been retired to the $2.99 scrap heap and there is no one in this world who can tell me that anything put out these last 20 years can touch Mott.
Pop music will always be front and center because it is specifically created to cross-over on a consistent basis. And no one did this better than Madonna and MJ. This is just the nature of the music business. It is why they have top 40 radio stations. Personally, I very much dislike her music and what she influenced. But I will give her the required props. Also, the demographics for the listening public has changed from the 30's all the way through to today. Even though "Disco" died, the dance scene didn't and never will. There is too much money to be made in the club scene. If you are a club owner, what is the better business plan. Hire a band and bring in business that will only be geared for that specific music or bring in a DJ at a much smaller cost and where your club will do well because of people's need to dance. Young women in general like to dance and young men like to go to these same clubs in hopes of meeting these pretty girls who like to dance. House music in the 80's was designed specifically for this sole purpose. To get a crowd excited! The more excited the crowd is, the more dancing there is; then more drinking takes place. The more drinking taks place, the more hook-ups happen. And it goes on and on. And that club can expect to have a good 3 -4 year run. It is not about the music anymore, it is about the Thursday, Friday and Saturday night party.
As to the music itself, in my eyes, no one will ever touch or bring more happiness to me than the sounds of The Beatles, Who, Zep, Queen, 70's Aerosmith, Mott, NY Dolls, King Crimson, Dylan, T-Rex, David Bowie, Monkees, Beach Boys, Cream, Jeff Beck, Clash and so on and so forth. But that was a different time and different place. The 80's came aand I was surprisingly pleased with the sounds of Def Lep, The Cure, The Crue, the Smiths, Dokken, Ratt, Megadeth, Trixter, Enuff z' Nuff, LA Guns, GnR, Kix and many others whom you originally wrote off because if I understood you correctly, the Hair Band scene & Post New Wave scene brought us nothing. (I could be wrong in this assumption & if I am, I apologize
). And it also gave us Husker Du, the Pixies and so many more which led to the early 90's. Now I am not as smitten with Grunge - Nirvana and Pearl Jam did some good things, but IMO, they don't touch Alice in Chains and Soundgarden (Not grunge and I don't care that they came from Seattle). The last band to emerge from the 90's and to this day which I still follow are the Foo Fighters. I have resigned myself to what is already in my collection as I do not have the time to search out for new music. I now count on Matty
and a few others to point out artists that I should take note of.
And interesting tidbit for all who bounce Nickelback. This is one of Jerry Cantrell's favorite bands and he has gone onstage with them a number of times. When asked why some one of his stature would do this, Jerry answered simply; "Have you ever seen them perform live?". If you judge a band by the two songs that get played, then you cannot make a true value judgment of the band. I repsect Jerry's opinion on music. See them live and then make a decision. I am too old to go to concerts now - I tend to punch out annoying 18 y.o.'s who disrupt my evening.
As a side bar - the chance of Yogafriend mocking anyone here is as great as me not
twisting my head when a pair of legs walks by in tight jeans or a mini-skirt. Just saying, maybe you looked for someone to attack you and found it in words that really weren't. No one has tried harder to learn and pick up more from what is said here than her. Remember, your first statement did not come across as an opinion. It came off as a definitive statement of the times and anyone who disagreed had no clue. That is how it read, at least by me and perhaps others. Also, your comment which I highlighted in red is something which I completely disagree with. Who are all these people who make this claim? Certainly no one that I know of. If you are talkking about music critics, well, I pay no heed to what they have to say. But I look at tours like Rocklahoma and see that 25 yeas later, that decade seems to have held up fairly well. Usually, the higher grossing summer tours tend to be these 80's highlight gigs which feature bands like Cinderella, Poison, Motley Crue, etc. Obviously there is something there. Even now, Depeche Mode can tour and sell out 3 straight nights at MSG in less than an hour, so can the Cure. Not too shabby if you ask me.
You seem like a true fan and someone who wants to be part of our little community. Again, being one of the old-timers here, I welcome you and hope you stay. I am sure you will bring a lot to the table. But just so we are on the same page - there is no mocking ever of Freddie Mercury
My comment here is only to try and smooth over the rough edges and hopefully we can move forward from here. Welcome.