Recycled, re-worked and ripped-off riffs

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    Recycled, re-worked and ripped-off riffs

    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 

     
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    Another classic:

    Lynryd Skynyrd's piano riff in Sweet Home Alabama being reworked by Warren Zevon for Werewolves of London. 

     
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    Tommy Bolin's riff for Post Toastee varies just slightly from the one in J. J. Cale's Cocaine, which we usually hear played by Clapton.

    From that riff, Post Toastee develops into an amazing song, arguably the best of Bolin's solo career. 

     
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    For me personally the most surprising example of this was when Deep Purple used virtually the same riff twice on the same album.  The album was Who Do We Think We Are, and the songs were Woman from Tokyo and Rat Bat Blue.  Probably indicating just how short on material they were at the time.

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 



    Check these out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4pp02_GN9A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkpWb4PZvkk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpPyWZHDHLU

     
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    Elvis Presley - I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n_m3q7XYz4

    Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bad Moon Rising

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BmEGm-mraE

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 



    Though I could be wrong, aren't all of those riffs likewise derivations of John Lee H(oo)ker's 'Boom Boom'...?

     

     

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 



    Though I could be wrong, aren't all of those riffs likewise derivations of John Lee H(oo)ker's 'Boom Boom'...?



    Aha - yes, I thought they were derived from somewhere else but I couldn't think of what it was - I think you nailed it. 

     

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 



    Though I could be wrong, aren't all of those riffs likewise derivations of John Lee H(oo)ker's 'Boom Boom'...?



    Aha - yes, I thought they were derived from somewhere else but I couldn't think of what it was - I think you nailed it. 

     



    I think I nailed it. See my post above with these links.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4pp02_GN9A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkpWb4PZvkk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpPyWZHDHLU

     

     

     

     
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    I think I nailed it. See my post above with these links.



    Right you are.  Full credit for nailing it is hereby awarded to devildavid.

     

     

     
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    Who cares? ...As long as people enjoy it.

    The Kinks use the same riff in 'Destroyer' that they used on 'All Day And All Of The Night' , I like both songs, so I don't really care.

    The script writers for Jaws and Star Trek II Wrath Of Khan borrow heavily from Moby Dick...I like all 3 ( books and movies ) so I don't care. 

    When I am entertained by something and it holds my attention, I don't mind that it "borrows" or "rips off" something else. I mean, even a cover song is not really a "rip off" , unless it is a perfect reproduction of the original....and that is hard to do. 

    One of my favorite songs 'Hair Of The Dog' by Nazareth was covered by Guns 'N' Roses , a very close sounding cover, but Axl does not sound like McCaffrey ,so you can instantly tell them apart. I like them both, so I just enjoy whichever version is playing and don't sweat it about who's is better, or if so and so is ripping off someone else.

     
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    Not a riff, but the general rhythm.

     

    Edit: "Mona" from the Stones' '66 album is very similar to "not fade away" in everything but lyrics.

     
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    Chuck Berry's 'No Particular Place To Go' and 'School Days' are so much alike, that I get fooled even now. 

    But. like I said , it doesn't matter. People like both songs.

     
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    Golden Earring's opening riffs of Radar Love, has riffs similar to probably the most famous opening riffs, Deep Purple's Smoke On the Water.

     
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    The Kinks "All Day and All of the Night" ----> The Doors "Hello, I Love You"

     
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    Just read Townshend's biography.  He says when he wrote some of the early Who singles he was consciously trying to sound like the Kinks.

     
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    Just read Townshend's biography.  He says when he wrote some of the early Who singles he was consciously trying to sound like the Kinks.



    And the Kinks sounded kind of like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZJ4ESU52U

     
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    In fact, "Louie Louie" by the Kingsmen is the template for a whole lotta rock 'n' roll songs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpSD8GwDb4

     
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    In response to devildavid's comment:

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    I know some of this has been talked about here before but who cares, right?

    One of my favorite recycled riffs appears in not 2 but 3 very well-known songs.

    1) Canned Heat - On the Road Again.  The riff I'm referring to is what you hear when the words 'on the road again' are sung.

    2) Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.  The same riff (virtually) can be heard in the instrumental part of the song.

    3) ZZ Top - La Grange.  Billy Gibbons built this song around that same riff. 



    Though I could be wrong, aren't all of those riffs likewise derivations of John Lee H(oo)ker's 'Boom Boom'...?



    Aha - yes, I thought they were derived from somewhere else but I couldn't think of what it was - I think you nailed it. 

     



    I think I nailed it. See my post above with these links.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4pp02_GN9A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkpWb4PZvkk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpPyWZHDHLU

     

     

     



    Heh.  I didn't click your links before responding, but First is yours.  Good calls, all.

     

     
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    Another riff that spread like wildfire is the Bo Diddley beat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZjAOoX6nw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRlOI3N7Hao

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNCIzaBliTY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s50sOkLGyCg

     
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    Rebel Rebel - David Bowie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U16Xg_rQZkA

    Two Little Hitlers - Elvis Costello

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBgOxrnXR4

     
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    I make the point all the time to people that nobody is inventing any new notes (even assuming, as with mathematics, that notes are invented rather than discovered....I think it's discovered in both cases) and I find it hard to believe that after 100+ years of guitar-based blues and rock music played by millions of people there are newly invented riffs.

    "Rip-off"?  There are and should be laws to protect the original composer(s)....those laws should be much tighter, IMO.  "Recycled"?  That is or should be the legal version of a rip-off with credit given to the originator, I'm down with that.  "Re-worked"?  That's more interesting to me, and if the notes/riffs have been sufficiently altered to appear to a reasonable person not to be a rip-off, I'm down with that.  But.....

    Zeppelin, Led, have a deservedly bad rep IMO....make your own decision (too many to post, peruse http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=82341)

    But there are so many other examples, of blues artists being ripped off.....e.g.:

    • Muddy Waters "Mannish Boy":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgaxYEsEVVY
    • David Bowie "The Jean Genie":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQo6zpVzt8
    • The Sweet "Blockbuster":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgrYf7VWASE

    I think those two songs are total rip-offs, and wildly, lazily, obviously so IMO....they're laughable, a disgrace.....however, I do not think George Thorogood's "Bad To The Bone" is a rip-off though some people do:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FyQNx8oyU

    To use Hf's terminology, I think it's more of a reworking.  I can hear the echo of Mannish Boy, who can't?  But my ear tells me it's influence, not rip-off.

    :-)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    In response to ZILLAGOD's comment:

    Who cares? ...As long as people enjoy it.

    The Kinks use the same riff in 'Destroyer' that they used on 'All Day And All Of The Night' , I like both songs, so I don't really care.

    The script writers for Jaws and Star Trek II Wrath Of Khan borrow heavily from Moby Dick...I like all 3 ( books and movies ) so I don't care. 

    When I am entertained by something and it holds my attention, I don't mind that it "borrows" or "rips off" something else. I mean, even a cover song is not really a "rip off" , unless it is a perfect reproduction of the original....and that is hard to do. 

    One of my favorite songs 'Hair Of The Dog' by Nazareth was covered by Guns 'N' Roses , a very close sounding cover, but Axl does not sound like McCaffrey ,so you can instantly tell them apart. I like them both, so I just enjoy whichever version is playing and don't sweat it about who's is better, or if so and so is ripping off someone else.



    Hi Zilla.  From a pure fan viewpoint I agree it doesn't matter....one likes what one likes. There is nothing wrong morally or economically with a "cover" i.e. the original composer(s) are acknowledged, credited and compensated for their art/work/talent. That is 0% ripoff!

    But the issue Hf has raised is copyright theft.  You might not mind if something is "ripped off" from something (someone) else, but I'm certain the composer/writer/artist does mind....as they should, and they need protection.

    Do you know the story of "Love is all around"?

     
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    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

    I make the point all the time to people that nobody is inventing any new notes (even assuming, as with mathematics, that notes are invented rather than discovered....I think it's discovered in both cases) and I find it hard to believe that after 100+ years of guitar-based blues and rock music played by millions of people there are newly invented riffs.

    "Rip-off"?  There are and should be laws to protect the original composer(s)....those laws should be much tighter, IMO.  "Recycled"?  That is or should be the legal version of a rip-off with credit given to the originator, I'm down with that.  "Re-worked"?  That's more interesting to me, and if the notes/riffs have been sufficiently altered to appear to a reasonable person not to be a rip-off, I'm down with that.  But.....

    Zeppelin, Led, have a deservedly bad rep IMO....make your own decision (too many to post, peruse http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=82341)

    But there are so many other examples, of blues artists being ripped off.....e.g.:

    • Muddy Waters "Mannish Boy":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgaxYEsEVVY
    • David Bowie "The Jean Genie":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQo6zpVzt8
    • The Sweet "Blockbuster":  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgrYf7VWASE

    I think those two songs are total rip-offs, and wildly, lazily, obviously so IMO....they're laughable, a disgrace.....however, I do not think George Thorogood's "Bad To The Bone" is a rip-off though some people do:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9FyQNx8oyU

    To use Hf's terminology, I think it's more of a reworking.  I can hear the echo of Mannish Boy, who can't?  But my ear tells me it's influence, not rip-off.

    :-)

     

     

     

     

     

     



    And just to make it more complicated, "Mannish Boy" was influenced by Bo Diddley's "I'm a Man" which had been influenced by Muddy's "Hoochie Coochie Man"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxrLOVwsEE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fPnkG2Oo5U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2O0HIyWBlI

     
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