Re: RnR Hall of Fame - Your picks
posted at 4/13/2011 3:17 PM EDT
In Response to Re: RnR Hall of Fame - Your picks
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: RnR Hall of Fame - Your picks : i think you have to draw the line at some point...everything comes from something, but eventually that something becomes big enough to be its own thing...rock certainly did not just rise out of the proverbial primordial soup. hip hop/rap is its own thing entirely. it started out blending the attitudes and the styles of rock with something different, but the fact that it relies so heavily on sampling and not actually composition of music I feel would disqualify it. hip hop artists or rappers should not get into the R&R hall of fame because they can put words to someone else's music. with the exception of very few, such as rza and dr. dre (sometimes eminem), the vast majority of rappers DO NOT produce their own tracks (and even more rare, compose the music they produce). The Roots are the only exception IMHO. IF ANYTHING, rick reuben should be in the HOF. Think of it as a family tree...and when one branch gets big enough, it starts its own family. hip hop has its own family.
Posted by phsmith8[/QUOTE]
I can see your point, but I have to disagree, respectfully.
All popular music is derivative to some degree of what came before it, so that family tree ends up looking more like a bush than a tree. Rap/Hip-Hop is a somewhat natural derivation of the rock n' roll/RnB of the 50s inasmuch as parents hate it now as much parents in the 50s hated Elvis and cursed RnR as "jungle music".
There's a youtube video out there of a band on stage performing a medley of different songs that all use the same three or four chords with only the slightest variations. Again, even the riff for "Smells Like Teen Spirit", supposedly from one of the most important bands of the past twenty years, is almost a note-for-note lift of Boston's "More Than A Feeling" riff 15 years earlier. It's no accident.
With rap/hip-hop, yes, they used samples of other work, but it's no accident that they borrowed those samples from rock, funk, jazz, disco, etc. and even other rap songs, because...from where else would they get them? Even "No Sleep 'Til Brooklyn" has no sample, but instead has Kerry King of Slayer(!) playing the riff.
I'll also submit that for rap/hip-hop to be truly on its own, it would have to have derivatives of its own, but instead it has sub-genres like rock does: trip hop, gangsta, old school, hardcore, freestyle, etc. Like many musical styles, the music is a product of the surrounding culture which in turn feeds back into the culture, and so on. The same goes in the art world...there's always
a connection to the past...the best ones just know how to hide it better.