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    Dog kicking out leg...

    Hi all!!
    Long time! This is Cooper's (miniature schnauzer) mom. He is 9 months old now, and in great health! Weighing in at 15lbs, and just the cutest thing. However, I have noticed this morning starting around 7:30, he started to kick out his hind legs every 5-10 minutes. It looks pretty violent, he does it about 4-5 times when he does, and then it will stop and pick up again 5 or ten minutes later. He isn't making any noise, like he is in pain, and he seems to be ok. I took him on a long walk, and he didn't do it once, and his hips looked just fine. But, he keeps doing this. I am waiting to see if it stops before I call the vet. If it doesn't by tomorrow, I will call and bring him in.

    He is sleeping now, so he isn't doing it, but when he is awake and walking around, he just seems to kick them out (mostly the right one), like he is having a spasm. It is starting to concern me and I was wondering if anyone else has had experience with this.

    Oh, also last night, I pulled two ticks from him, one was in his fur, not really stuck on him, but one was really deep on the inside of this lip, and I had to really yank it out with tweezers, and he bled for a little bit. Now, of course I am all paranoid, that the tick was in there was more than 24 hours, and this is some srot of symptom! Am I being crazy?

    Any feedback would be helpful!

    Thank you.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Joint problems from Lyme take awhile to develop so I'm betting the leg thing isn't related to the tick bite.

    You might want to consider the Lyme vaccine even if you can't avoid tall grass and/or woods.  Gracie has been lame all season due to a knee ligament tear and has been exclusively in our yard (albeit in rural Mass), and I still found a tick on her.  I was thinking that the only good thing about her being stuck in our yard is that she'd be free of ticks, and darn it, there it was.  I agree with Robin about trying not to freak out because dogs get bitten a lot and not all develop Lyme.  It's gross and scary, though.  Ew.

    My vet is great about answering questions over the phone and taking a "wait and see" approach when she honestly thinks that's appropriate.  So, I would just call and ask about it knowing that she wouldn't have me come in automatically for having called to ask.  

    Best to you and Cooper!

    ~kar
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Definitely call the vet, but dogs just do weird things some times.  Maybe schnauzers in particular but Dublin (my schnoodle) has gone through lots of phases over the last 3 years where he's picked up weird habits (for the last few months he does a very strange nibbling thing a few times a week where his bottom lip quivers and his teeth chatter a bit... sometimes just in the air and sometimes its a quick nibble to whatever body part he's near).  I asked the vet about it at his last visit and she said its probably nothing.  Sometimes dogs just have weird nervous habits... like people biting their nails. 

    Check it out but don't worry too much about it.  Good luck!
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Thank you for your responses. He has been doing it all day. It looks like some kind of leg spasm, so I am going to bring him in tomorrow to see what the vet says. He is also SUPER nervous with the storms, his first time in them, so maybe that is it? Who knows.

    Kar, et al, I am going to ask the vet about the Lyme vaccine. Thank you, and I will keep you all updated.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    GL figuring it out - hopefully, it's nothing serious. :)  

    Try to relax and not get anxious yourself with storms even when it looks like you might have to head to the basement!  Don't look out the window for thunder, lightening, or even hail - just go about your business, no matter how crazy it gets out there, and he'll be likely to take his cues from you.  Of course, some dogs are naturally more nervous than others, but I did this very purposefully with Gracie, and she snoozes through the wildest of weather and I think it will help even a naturally nervous dog.

    Keep us posted about the leg thing!
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    sounds like a luxating patella. The vet will tell you whether it's severe enough to require surgery. my friend's chihuahua needed the surgery on both hind legs, it's pretty common, so most dogs make a full and happy recovery.

    even if your dog had lyme disease, it wouldn't cause his knee caps to slip out of place. it would be more like arthritis, where he would be acting lame and sore.
    still get him tested anyways, Lyme's nothing to fool around with and is easier to treat if caught early.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    We went to the vet  morning, and he thought it was something neurological. He was kicking up a storm in the office. He said the kicking was something strange and then did some testing to compare the two legs and noticed that the left leg was slightly different than the right, seemed weaker and didn't function as strong as the right. We are seeing a vet neurologist tomorrow at noon. If they rule out any neurological problems, like seizures, than we will see an orthopedic vet. Sigh, I hope we can get this fixed!

    Thought it sounds like luxating patella, he isn't in any pain at all.

    I will keep you all updated.
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from Novembride. Show Novembride's posts

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    Aww.. poor Cooper!  GL tomorrow.  Prayers to the little furry one.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Robin, no, he is from a breeder. I actually contacted the breeder to discuss this and she said that she has not heard of any of her other puppies having this condition, or any of her personal dogs. She felt horrible, and is paying half of the bill tomorrow, per our contract.

    I don't mind you asking that question.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Great idea to get pet insurance before anything is diagnosed!

    I wish we'd gotten it for Gracie (she's getting $3000 - $3500 surgery on Monday), but alas, we figured it would be a waste of money.  Big mistake.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    I hope everything turns out for Cooper...  Poor little guy.  Please keep us updated.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Bosco's sending good luck and best wishes to both Cooper and Gracie! He has his annual checkup today so I'll finally find out how much the big moose weighs now and hopefully that's the only news that will come out of the visit.

    Minicoop and Kar - please give updates ... It's amazing how much we grow to care about everyone's furbabies that we've never met!

     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    One of my sister's dogs was having what looked like neurological episodes.  She was twitching a lot and acting very agitated.  The vet couldn't find anything but through my sisters research decided to stop her flea/tick medication.  She's been off the medication for a couple of months now and she has been episode free. 

    My sister has been experimenting with natural flea/tick prevention such as garlic and brewers yeast.  Unfortunately she lives in an area with a huge deer population so this summer will be difficult.

    I don't know if it's related but I figured it was worth mentioning.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Kar,

    Didn't mean to leave Gracie out!  You know how I feel about her and like big puppy said, please keep us updated too.  Give Gracie big hug from her CC Aunt!
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    kar, what is gracie having done - surgery on her acl? 
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    ambergirl, you've wished Gracie well about her knee and I know you care about her, thank you!

    lukes, yes, she is getting her ACL repaired, although in dogs it's called the cruciate ligament, I think.  (TPLO Surgery)

    Thanks for all your well wishes, and of course, I'll let you know how she does on Monday.  I started a thread (sorry to steal some of Cooper's thunder) a couple of months ago about it when we learned she had torn i and will update that one on Monday after I hear from the surgeon.  She'll be in the hospital through Wednesday.


     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    good luck - biggest problem is keeping them from trying to run around too soon and if you have stairs -- they can't do stairs for while but i'm sure you know that

     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Well, we went to the neurologist today and they did a bunch of tests and really couldn't figure it out. They did some blood tests and a liver tests that will come back on Monday. For now, he is on a low dose steroid to see if it will help his spasms. He will be on it for 7 days and if it doesn't stop, we will go from there.

    while we were there, they had an orthopedic specialist check him, and they said his knees are a little soft, but common for his age, but they couldn't feel anything irregular.

    I am just happy that he isn't in any pain or uncomfortable, but I want to figure this out so it does not become a bigger problem down the road, seeing as he is still just a baby.

    So, I won't know anything until Monday, and for now, we are going to see how the steroids do. Thank you all so much for the support!

    Kar, good luck with Gracie! I can't imagine going through surgery. Cooper has a minor issue and it upsetting me this much, so I am proud of you being so strong. It really is amazing how attached and in love we become to our pets, and the amount of money we pay to keep them healthy, oy!

    Anyway, talk to you all soon, have a great weekend!
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    UPDATE:

    Vet called today and his blood tests show that the levels in his liver are abnormally high. So, now we need to go in on Friday to meet with an internal vet so he can have an ultrasound and they can tell us better what is going on.

    I will keep you all posted.
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Oh, gosh, that's too bad about Cooper!  That came out of left field...hoping it's easily correctable.  

    About "being strong," you'll see - you just do what you have to do.  You'll be just as strong, and I get just as upset over anything that that is ever wrong with her.  Did you see my panicked thread about when she ripped fur out of her face?

    lukes, happily Gracie isn't allowed to go upstairs so we don't have to worry about that.  We have a ramp for the car (which I've been training her to use), and the doc said she can do the couple of steps in and out of the house to do her business.  It's still going to be a challenge and a half to keep a high energy dog quiet, though...

    mc, keep us posted, of course.  I wonder what would cause liver issues in such a young dog...
     
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    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Liver shunts can be common in miniature schnauzers and puppies, I guess.


    Good luck with Gracie! Amazing what we do for our pets....like children.
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from Novembride. Show Novembride's posts

    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Wow, never would have guessed that one.  Do they think the elevated levels are causing the kick-out response?  Hopefully its something they can correct with medication.  My best to you, and a sniff from puppy to Cooper, as you guys get to the bottom of this.
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from kargiver. Show kargiver's posts

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    GL tomorrow and don't forget to let us know what you find out about Cooper.
     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from minicooper918. Show minicooper918's posts

    Re: Dog kicking out leg...

    Thank you, Kar :) Hope Gracie is doing well.
     
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    Thanks, she's getting along OK. :)

    How does Cooper do at the vet's?  
     

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