Organic Farming: Criminalization?

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    Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671

    HR 875 The food police, criminalizing organic farming and the backyard gardener, and violation of the 10th amendment

    Posted by LydiaScott on 03/06/09 03:36 AM
    Last updated 03/29/09 06:36 AM
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     HR 875  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c1112RD9bb:e11439:  

    This bill is sitting in committee and I am not sure when it is going to hit the floor.  One thing I do know is that very few of the Representatives have read it.  As usual they will vote on this based on what someone else is saying.  Urge your members to read the legislation and ask for opposition to this devastating legislation.  Devastating for everyday folks but great for factory farming ops like Monsanto, ADM, Sodexo and Tyson to name a few.

    I have no doubt that this legislation was heavily influenced by lobbyists from huge food producers.  This legislation is so broad based that technically someone with a little backyard garden could get fined and have their property siezed.   It will affect anyone who produces food even if they do not sell but only consume it.  It will literally put all independent farmers and food producers out of business due to the huge amounts of money it will take to conform to factory farming methods.  If people choose to farm without industry standards such as chemical pesticides and fertilizers they will be subject to a vareity of harassment from this completely new agency that has never before existed.  That's right, a whole new government agency is being created just to police food, for our own protection of course.

     DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, READ THIS LEGISLATION FOR YOURSELF.  The more people who read this legislation the more insight we are going to get and be able to share.  Post your observations and insights below.  Urge your members to read this legislation and to oppose the passage of this legislation.

    Pay special attention to

    • Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it's entirety.
    • section 103, 206 and 207- read in it's entirety.

    Red flags I found and I am sure there are more...........

    • Legally binds state agriculture depts to enforcing federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal dept.
    • Effectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn't actually use the word organic.
    • Affects anyone growing food even if they are not selling it but consuming it.
    • Affects anyone producing meat of any kind including the processing wild game for personal consumption. 
    • Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food can be made illegal.  There are no specifics which is bizarre considering how long the legislation is.  
    • Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the legislation.  It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to determine and interpret the legislation.  Who do you think they are going to side with?  
    • Section 206 defines what will be considered a food production facility and what will be enforced up all food production facilities.  The wording is so broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
    • Section 207 requires that the state's agriculture dept act as the food police and enforce the federal requirements.  This takes away the states power and is in violation of the 10th amendment.
    • There are many more but by the time I got this far in the legislation I was so alarmed that I wanted to bring someone's attention to it. (to the one person who reads my blog)

    Didn't Stalin nationalize farming methods that enabled his administration to gain control over the food supply?  Didn't Stalin use the food to control the people?

    Last word...... Legislate religion and enforce gag orders on ministers on what can and can't be said in the pulpit, instituting regulations forcing people to rely soley on the government, control the money and the food.  What is that called?  It is on the tip of my tongue..........

    I haven't read any of the Senate's version of the bill as I have been poring thru the House's version.  Here is the link and I hope some of you can take a look and post your observations and insights below.  One thing I am pretty sure of is that very few if any Senator's have actually read the legislation and when it comes up for a vote they will more than likely take someone else's word on how they should vote.  The other thing I am pretty sure about is that the legislation was probably written by lobbyists and industry experts.

    S 425  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s425: 

    Things you can do

    1. Contact your members at 202-224-3121 and ask them to oppose HR 875 and S 425.  While you are at it ask them if they personally have read the legislation and what their position is? If they have not read the legislation ask them to read it and politely let them know that just because other representitives are not reading the legislation and voting on it does not mean they can do the same.  
    2. Get in touch with local farmers and food producers by attending a local farmers market and asking them how business is.  
    3. Attend a local WAPF meeting, this is a good start to learning about what is going on in farming and local & state initiatives .  The website is http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html
    4. Check out the Farmers Legal Defense Fund at http://www.ftcldf.org/index.html
    5. Find out who sits on your states agriculture and farming committee and contact them with your concerns.
    6. Continue to contact your elected officials and let them know your position on legislation and why.
    7. Get active at the local and state levels, this is the quickest way to initiate change.

     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Xa, this sounds alarming; we have a huge garden on our property which we intend to eat out of especially when inflation goes through the roof and fresh vegetables are out of our price range.  And, of course, from a less ego centric standpoint, what a nightmare we're in for in this country as we move toward Socialism (at best).  I'm not quite ready to use the C word.

    I clicked on the link to the legislation, but the search result has expired. Maybe you could find it again and post a link to the actual bill, not the search result so it will have staying power here.  Please forgive me for not trying harder to find it myself; I have little experience on the site and figured you'd have a less frustrating time of it.

    Thanks!

    ~kar
     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Xa, this sounds alarming; we have a huge garden on our property which we intend to eat out of especially when inflation goes through the roof and fresh vegetables are out of our price range.  And, of course, from a less ego centric standpoint, what a nightmare we're in for in this country as we move toward Socialism (at best).  I'm not quite ready to use the C word. I clicked on the link to the legislation, but the search result has expired. Maybe you could find it again and post a link to the actual bill, not the search result so it will have staying power here.  Please forgive me for not trying harder to find it myself; I have little experience on the site and figured you'd have a less frustrating time of it. Thanks! ~kar
    Posted by kargiver



    Hi there kar!

    I'll see what I can do about finding a better link.

    Me and the wife also have an organic garden going in the backyard.  I'd hate to see this become any kind of reality.

    I hope you and yours are doing well....

    peace.
     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Hi there kar! I'll see what I can do about finding a better link. Me and the wife also have an organic garden going in the backyard.  I'd hate to see this become any kind of reality. I hope you and yours are doing well.... peace.
    Posted by Xaphius


    Hey, Xa!

    Good to see you and happy for the opportunity for that promised hello, although it would have been nicer had it been over a better topic, of course.  Will be watching for the link update.  We also have fruit and nut trees.  Can't imagine being fined or worse for it.

    We're doing well, thank you.  Best to you and your wife, too, with your garden and everything this summer.  So nice to have everything green again!!

    Blessings,
    ~kar
     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Hey, Xa! Good to see you and happy for the opportunity for that promised hello, although it would have been nicer had it been over a better topic, of course.  Will be watching for the link update.  We also have fruit and nut trees.  Can't imagine being fined or worse for it. We're doing well, thank you.  Best to you and your wife, too, with your garden and everything this summer.  So nice to have everything green again!! Blessings, ~kar
    Posted by kargiver



    sorry for the dealy on the hello.... as you may see in the News section, I have a virtually autistic obsession with certain other topics....my social graces are highly dubious....

    but maybe I can learn a thing or two from you about gardening. 

    are you still planning a wedding?

     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875


    here we go....


     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Hey, Xa,

    I thought your first post counted as "hello" so no worries. :)

    Actually, we got married last November, so we're well on our way to our first anniversary!  Can't believe it's going so fast.  Thanks for asking.  I'm glad the wedding planning is over.  That wasn't too bad, really, but being married is the prize. 

    Hm, don't get your hopes up about MY helping with gardening tips unless you give me time to ask my Dearest and get back to you!  He worked on a commercial farm as a very young man so he knows a LOT.  My jobs with the garden are to harvest (some), prepare, and store the food.  Growing is 99% his thing.  We're looking to buy a freezer for the basement, and I'm fully intending to learn to can this year. I'm a housewife, now, (after being an engineer for 12 years) so I have the time and inclination. 

    Thanks for the link.  I'll give it a good look today.   Hopefully, others will, too.  Maybe if you edited the OP it would get more attention?

    Have a good one, Xa.

    ~kar
     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Well, I am very upset (I was going to say disturbed, but that didn't cut it) about where this country is going, and I believe that while we haven't seen the effects yet, we ARE a socialist nation by virtue of the "stimulus" being signed into law. It's ramfications will be devestating and irreversible for generations, maybe forever.

    However, with respect to this bill I believe you're starting off on an overly alarmist view, Xa.  It is vaguely worded, and, of course, that can always spell trouble, but the bill is not enforceable at the private gardener level. It talks much about food preparation as well as storage and growing. I can't imagine, even in my Doomsday view of where the US is going that the FDA will send someone to my house to watch me grow and harvest the food and cook and clean up dinner every night.  Even if they wanted to extend this to the private citizens they wouldn't have the manpower.  The US will be too broke to have this impact our little gardens that aren't for commercial sale of produce.

    There are things to be wildly upset and up in arms about, but I don't think this is one of them with respect to our own personal growing and cooking of our food in our backyards.

    As for the ramifications for the food industry, though, that's another story. The FDA can try to enforce whatever.  I didn't see how it would preclude the USDA Organic seal from being applied.  Would you cite what portion drew you to that conclusion?  Maybe I missed it in black and white and will be embarrassed, but oh, well, it happens.

    Thanks, Xa!

    Have a great weekend, my friend.

    ~kar


     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Well, I am very upset (I was going to say disturbed, but that didn't cut it) about where this country is going, and I believe that while we haven't seen the effects yet, we ARE a socialist nation by virtue of the "stimulus" being signed into law. It's ramfications will be devestating and irreversible for generations, maybe forever. However, with respect to this bill I believe you're starting off on an overly alarmist view, Xa.  It is vaguely worded, and, of course, that can always spell trouble, but the bill is not enforceable at the private gardener level. It talks much about food preparation as well as storage and growing. I can't imagine, even in my Doomsday view of where the US is going that the FDA will send someone to my house to watch me grow and harvest the food and cook and clean up dinner every night.  Even if they wanted to extend this to the private citizens they wouldn't have the manpower.  The US will be too broke to have this impact our little gardens that aren't for commercial sale of produce. There are things to be wildly upset and up in arms about, but I don't think this is one of them with respect to our own personal growing and cooking of our food in our backyards. As for the ramifications for the food industry, though, that's another story. The FDA can try to enforce whatever.  I didn't see how it would preclude the USDA Organic seal from being applied.  Would you cite what portion drew you to that conclusion?  Maybe I missed it in black and white and will be embarrassed, but oh, well, it happens. Thanks, Xa! Have a great weekend, my friend. ~kar
    Posted by kargiver



    Thanks for taking the time to look at it, Kar.

    I'm actually kind of relieved to hear you say what you did.  You were an engineer, and your husband knows farming... (right?) ...., so I take your opinion as reasoned and informed.  I'm always on the alert for government over-reach, but I like to know when I can let something go, too. 

    I'll need to look at the bill more carefully, and see if I can better understand a couple of things before I make an intelligent comment.  I've only just started to take an interest in food supplies as an issue, and I want to read the complaints of individual farmers who are worried about government intrusion into their operations, and organic activists who are worried that the government will be per$uaded into lowering the bar for the Organic label - to make way for larger companies to get in on the act.

    I had a friend who grew up on a farm, where they raised their own chickens, milked their own cows, ate everything fresh, etc.   He was a big, healthy kid.  And his family was part of a tight little christian community, down south.  They liked to help each other out, and swap their various products witih one another, but the government got in the way, and started giving them grief.  They got on their case about unpasteurized milk, and also used some kind of business law concept to get up in their business, as if they were operating some kind of criminal smuggling ring.  It would be something like the feds busting up an Amish community, the way these people were.  It was ridiculous.

    These people are pretty upset at how the government can use selective enforvement of vague regulations to bother people they simply don't like, trust, or understand.  Neighbors and church members shouldn't have the government up their rears just for selling or bartering a few gallons of milk, or baskets of eggs to one another.  It is an absurd level of micromanagement, all in the name of "keeping us safe", enabled by intentionally vague legislation.

    But like I said - I need to look at it again it look at a couple of more things, before I can try to make my larger point.


    On a happier note - our garden is looking pretty good.  And I just put in a rain barrel hooked up to irrigation hosing that uses the slope of the yard to channel the water (which would otherwise pool in my basement), through the vegetable garden.  I'm having a pretty good time figuring it out as I go along.  We'll see if anything worth eating comes up.

    nite.



     
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    Re: Organic Farming: Criminalization?

    Mornin', Xa!

    Just so you know, it was my general impression of it that I shared.  I think if you asked me specifics about my opinion I'd have to go back to it, too, and read it more thoroughly.  It would take quite a long time for me to write an intelligent paper on it, defending my overall impression.  It may even be impossible to derive given its vagueness and my lack of FDA background knowledge. 

    That swap story is sickening.

    Glad to hear your garden is doing well.  Sounds like a win win on the irrigation system, too!

    ~kar
     
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