Are you a woman taking St. John's Wort?

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    Are you a woman taking St. John's Wort?

    Dr. Oz is about natural remedies for depression, and, of course, St. John's Wort came up.  It's very effective for depression, but why am I posting this in Relationships?  'Cause if you're on birth control pills and taking St. John's Wort you might want to move down to TTC (Trying to Conceive) - it makes the pill far less effective.  I looked it up on rxlist.com and found that information concurs from whole page for St. John's Wort drug interactions:

    Birth control pills (Contraceptive drugs)
    Interaction Rating: Major Do not take this combination.

    Some birth control pills contain estrogen. The body breaks down the estrogen in birth control pills to get rid of it. St. John's wort might increase the breakdown of estrogen. Taking St. John's wort along with birth control pills might decrease the effectiveness of birth control pills. If you take birth control pills along with St. John's wort, use an additional form of birth control such as a condom. 

    Some birth control pills include ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel (Triphasil), ethinyl estradiol and norethindrone (Ortho-Novum 1/35, Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), and others.

     
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    Whether it's effective for depression or not is not the issue.  If a woman is taking it along with BC she better know that it renders the BC ineffective, or, whoops, she'll be depressed AND pregnant when she thought she was preventing both!
     
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    doglady- You seem to missing the point entirely. Whether or not you support people taking St. John's Wort the fact is people do so Kargiver's warning is a valuable one. Of course a psychiatrist is going to recommend an FDA approved product but that doesn't guarantee safety either. Many people believe in natural and herbal remedies. My advice to add to what Kargiver has stated is that if you are going to do it, seek the advice of an herbalist or someone who specializes in homepathic practice. Also, as Kargiver has suggested, research products.
     
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    The point is not whether the herb or any herb will treat any medical condition but the fact that it INTERFERES with prescription birth control.  That is a serious issue.  No one is endorsing any herb or supplement; just informing them that this herb has been shown to interfere w/ prescription birth control.  Not sure what YOUR issue is, but if you are taking a prescribed RX to avoid pregnancy, I would think you'd want to know that something else you have decided to take may interfere w/ that prescription. 
     
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    People take St. John's Wort.   People take birth control.  St. John's Wort renders birth control ineffective.

    Thanks, Figment and ALF.  No worries - I have to assume most people are smart enough to get the point regardless of dog-lady's obsession with contradicting me.  At some point her contradictions after my posts will be so prolific no one will even notice them anymore.
     
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    It really doesn't matter if you condone what another person chooses to ingest into her (or his) body. It's her/his personal choice.

    This post is simply attempting to spread potentially useful information to women who may be interested to know. That's it.

    The simple fact is that many people take St. John's Wort for various reasons. They may not mention it to their doctor because they don't consider it a drug, but it can have very serious interactions with prescription drugs and the doctor may not think to ask about it. Doctors give out birth control prescriptions without a second thought for most people.

    Here's another example. Grapefruit juice is known to interfere with several different prescription drugs, but most people wouldn't think to mention that they drink Fresca (a soft drink made from grapefruit juice) or imagine that it could be negatively impacting their medicine.

     
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    The only one commenting on the merits [or lack thereof] of any supplement, dog lady, is you.  As noted, the fact remains that people DO take supplements and vitamins that they can buy in drug stores.  St. John's Wort is a popular one.  It renders certain RX, including birth control, ineffective. That is important information.  That is the entire point of the post. 

    Why you are trying to make a point of finding links to websites that 'prove wrong' posters whom you don't like [and whom you are stalking in other threads], I don't understand. 
     
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    So just don't comment then. Easy peasy.

    For what it's worth, I think this is useful information. A lot of women don't realize that antibiotics can make their birth control less effective and that they need to use back-up methods and that is a prescription that comes with a written warning. If you get your BC from a mail-order pharmacy and your antibiotics from a local pharmacy, you might not get that warning, though, and that's a problem.
     
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    Huh, I've never heard of anyone referring to unintended pregnancy as a "fertility issue," although, I suppose it's technically what it is...
     
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    Share whatever "useful" information you want, but it's not productive to bash people based on their choices about what they put in their bodies, just because you don't "condone" it. Your approval matters little (if at all) to anyone else.

    This post was a simple attempt at sharing some potentially useful information. No one needed to bring it to a place of berating those who choose herbal options to treat themselves. That's not useful. In fact, it's disparaging and judgmental.

     
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    If you are going to take a substance, surely the logical thing to do would be to research it first? Even Wikipedia states that St John's Wort renders some birth controls less effective. Still its true that some ladies take their "girlfriends" advice and start things on their recommendation alone without further investigation. 
    A warning flare like this thread can only do good (unless you want to get your girl stealthily pregnant, then its useful advice on how to go about it!). 
    I am surprised though that the Health Leaflet Insert that comes with the specific birth controls affected wouldn't have listed this problem. Or do women not read these?

    We don't want any more Heath Ledgers/Michael Jacksons on our hands. Always be aware of what is going into your body and how that cross-reacts. 
     
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    Plasko, I took 3 brands over the years and read the information in all of them.  Those inserts and doctors only routinely warn about using backup methods of bc while taking antibiotics.
     
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    Kargiver...excellent post and very valuable information. It's always good to be aware of potential side effects of anything we put into our bodies. I know people who take prescription medication who can't eat certain foods because it renders the medication ineffective..so being aware is always better than not being aware.

    If I may add my two cents to what seems to have turned into a bit of a debate...I practice..whenever possible ..homeopathic therapies ( for things like colds..sinus infections..allergies..etc). I am not one who likes to put a lot of chemicals in my body...and lets face it..that what most medication is. I am careful to research everything..and I was also careful to pick a primary care who supports my desire not to be placed on prescription medication for most things. Without getting into too much information...I was able to get my autoimmune disease completely under control using homeopathic methods..to the point where I no longer need the prescription medication that gave me so many unpleasant side effect. So..I don't buy into doglady's assertion that only prescription stuff is helpful.

    I have never taken St. John's Wort since I am not into herbal remedies...but Kargiver's information was particulary valuable since St. John's Wort is used to treat depression. People who are depressed are less likely to be into researching  side effects and interactions...so disseminating the information through pop culture is valuable to them.
    Anyhow..with all due respect to Doglady..I think she missed the entire point of Kar's post.
     
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    Misinterpret things?  Who here suggesting taking anything for depression?  Not me.  In fact, I took a prescription drug, Remeron, for depression for 2 years. 
     
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    oh, and taking birth control pills can sometimes make your contacts not fit!  At least, this was true in 1982 when my eye doctor warned me that if I ever went on bc pills I should have my contacts rechecked for fit - of course, given I was heading off to college and a virgin at the time, all that did was make me giggle, but I did remember so that a few years later.... 

    now maybe in 2011 our contacts are made out of superior materials and this isn't true, but it was in 1982.
     
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    If this does affect anyone they can hopefully switch to L-DOPA, or 5-HTP supplements instead - both are also positive-mood-promoting (and 5-HTP makes you feel full so not prone to snacking between meals, you then lose weight and you might become "truly" happy with yourself). 

    No idea if these substances also affect birth control though. 
     
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    I've watched Dr Oz a few times and have been very interested in the herbal and homeopathic remedies he recomends. With any of these (or any kind of medical intervention) it's a good idea to google and see if there are any side effects or interactions. I wanted to try cinnamon for arthritis pain (I cannot take Nsaids) but after a search I learned I shouldn't as it could cause stomach issues. Instead, I have been drinking ginger tea daily for three months and have actually had positive results. I never really believed herbal remedies would work and have been pleasantly surprised. I'm now considering giving acupuncture a try to help with some other minor health issues I'm experiencing.
     
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    That's great, Shorty.  DH has had success with some of his recommendations, too; he has an inflamatory disorder that has been very frustrating from a traditional medical perspective; he's been to specialists with no diagnosis or help other than being prescribed narcotics which he will not take.  

    And, food wise, we discovered quinoa on the show and love it.  It's not a remedy for anything, but it's a delicious and easy to cook and use whole grain.  He even made mention of rinsing it very well before cooking to get rid of the bitter (naturally occurring) outer coating.  The directions on the package say to "rinse before cooking" - not exactly an effective warning to rinse really well or it will taste terrible.
     
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    [QUOTE]"I've watched Dr Oz a few times and have been very interested in the herbal and homeopathic remedies he recommends. With any of these (or any kind of medical intervention) it's a good idea to google and see if there are any side effects or interactions."

    Huh? What? Really? "it was on TV"... "google" for info regarding side effects? I don't know what's worse self diagnosis based on the web or relying on it for info regarding possible side effects...based on some of the post's lately I have to be in the minority - I ask my Dr about side effects and possible reaction(s) to a prescribed medication or supplement...stupid me!

    I'm kinda curious as to why a warning is posted here regarding St. John's Wort and it's side effects. I thought "we" assumed that we would have had that conversation when given the script for the/a pill - like the post for skin care! Uugghh, OMG! OMG!

    Wink

    Here ya go  /> a re-post......

    Internet Fuels Bad Self-Diagnoses and 'Cyberchondria'

    Earlier this baseball season, San Diego Padres pitcher Tim Stauffer diagnosed himself with appendicitis after consulting a medical site on his iPhone. He informed his trainer and soon after, his appendix was successfully removed.

    Stauffer is among the 8 in 10 Internet users hitting the Web to get their health-related questions answered, according to the Pew Internet and American Life Project. Although medical websites such as Web MD and Mayo Clinic provide key insights into identifying and treating various ailments, experts warn they also make it easy for people to misdiagnosis health problems and can lead to "cyberchondria," or anxiety borne from online health-related searches.

    "It’s important to stay up on health-related information … but because information on the Web is so unfathomably plentiful, so readily available, and so unsorted, it's easy for someone to jump to the conclusion that they have a brain tumor when in fact it’s just a sinus infection,” according to Judy Segal,professor of English at the University of British Columbia who works on the cultural studies of medicine.

     
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    side effects?  unintended pregnancy is one hell of a side effect.  No lol.
     
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    [QUOTE]side effects ?  unintended pregnancy is one hell of a side effect.  No lol.
    Posted by kargiver[/QUOTE]

    Funny, I thought a D&C is a pretty bad side effect too.....................No?
     
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    I don't care anymore.
     
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    Doctors aren't infallible and sometimes don't provide all the information. I ALWAYS look for information on medications so I can make the best possible decision. I started to do this after a family member had a stroke as a result of medication her doctor prescribed but didn't warn her about the possibility of high blood pressure.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are you a woman taking St. John's Wort? : Funny, I thought a D&C is a pretty bad side effect too.....................No?
    Posted by RogerTaylor[/QUOTE]

    A D&C is a medical procedure. It is very often given to women who WANTED to be pregnant but had a miscarriage and need the procedure to ensure that everything that miscarried [for lack of a better term] did not remain behind in the utereus b/c it could cause serious health problems for the woman. As a woman who has had a m/c I take offense at your attempt to use this as an example of an "unintended pregnancy" side effect. It is a medical treatment that is often medically necessary.

    I don't know what your problem is, but your posts make no sense.  It is absolutely vital that a woman who is taking birth control for the purpose of preventing  pregnancy know the consequences of taking certain other medication or supplements.  That information is often NOT in the pamphlets that comes w/ the BCP packets. I make a point of telling the doctor's office every single thing I take when I visit, but rarely does the nurse who takes the initial info and vital signs write this down. I have had to repeat it to the doctor so that they write it in my charts.  If you have even medical professionals who think that supplements and vitamins are not 'medicine' and therefore does not need to be included in a medical chart, how can you think that not sharing this inforamtion is a good idea?  And the stuff I take is not that exciting - vitamin B, E, Fish Oil and calcium.  If you are taking anythng more exotic, it could most certainly have unintended conseqences.    
     
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    "I don't know what your problem is, but your posts make no sense. It is absolutely vital that a woman who is taking birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy know the consequences of taking certain other medication or supplements."

    Look at Lifestyle discussions "skin care".................
     
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