Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Absolutely!  Mayor Cohen had a choice of using local architect firms that would have done a marvelous job.  The Newton high school started with a much smaller budget in mind. Anyone who has ever built a home knows that the quoted estimate in no way reflects the final cost, and it is significantly lower.  Better planning, better budgeting, better research would have saved a lot of money while getting a beautiful job done.
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    [Quote]That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.  Build like they do in Florida!  This is progress?  You can not design a building that responds to the environment and the context in this fashion.  This would be a major step backwards for good design.  Use the money that could be saved putting up cookie cutter buildings to reinvent the building industry.  It is already on its way with "Building Information Modeling", this would be far more cost effective over the long long run.  And we could have architecture that inspires our children, and doesn't feel like "anywhere USA".  Be like Florida (why don't you move there). [/Quote]

    Are who do you think is going to pay for reinventing the building industry?
     
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    You people are all crazy.  Of course this is a good idea.  Who said the schools have to look like Section 8 housing?  Our town just built a very handsome brick elementary school, 2 story, prob holds up to 800 kids.  Now what in tarnation is wrong with another town in our commonwealth using our plans?  Hmmmm.  If you looked at our school, you could easily invision it in any New England community.  Now I'm not saying there might need to be small modifications for drainage & what not (no 2 lots are alike) but come on people.  USE YOUR COMMON CENT$.......
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    [Quote]That is the silliest thing I have ever heard.  Build like they do in Florida!  This is progress?  You can not design a building that responds to the environment and the context in this fashion.  This would be a major step backwards for good design.  Use the money that could be saved putting up cookie cutter buildings to reinvent the building industry.  It is already on its way with "Building Information Modeling", this would be far more cost effective over the long long run.  And we could have architecture that inspires our children, and doesn't feel like "anywhere USA".  Be like Florida (why don't you move there). [/Quote]

    Sorry, kids don't go to school to be inspired by architecture.  Sounds like you missed the point completely.  It's about time somebody stood up and exercised some common sense.  It's amazing though that they have been trying to do this for 5 years and only recently have we begun to hear about it.  They should have done this years ago.  Of course its just one more example of the us thinking we know more than the rest of the country with the cries of "it could never work here".  Notice who's doing the crying?  The architect$ and the $school officials.
     
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    Sounds like Cahill is getting ready to run for Congress/HOR or Governor.

    I absolutely agree in principle, but MA is not Florida.
     
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    Half of this is the attitude of the town. Norwood is historically a very well managed town, (I lived there for years). Instead of being defensive, they embrace change. Those who think that high school students are architectural critics are on a different planet. We are #1 in the USA in per capita state debt. It's like a 400 lb. person refusing to give up desserts. Cahill may be playing to the crowd but his point is still VERY well-taken. If Deval wanted to, he could innoculate himself by being first to the podium with a similar plan. This is an idea whose time has come.
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    [Quote]Although Cahill never saw a tv camera he didn't like, isn't this up to the individual towns?  If the taxpayers are okay with it, what business is it of Cahill's?[/Quote]

    Because much of the funding for these schools comes from the state.....We as taxpayers all foot the bill.
    Why should one city/town have a 80 million dollar school to go to paid for by the state and other schools are in dire need of repairs?
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Tim, you will not be governor in 2010. Globe, Tim won't be governor in 2010.

    In six years as treasurer, Tim has had one job....keep the books balanced. He doesn't. Why? Cause it would take making some tough and unpopular decisions.

    So instead all of the sudden he and the Globe decide what is needed is a daily campaign of things Tim doesn't like.

    Hey Tim what do you like? And tell it to us in a way that acknowledges you are willing to attack real problems. The Globe hates Deval, I'm not that fond of him either, but at least the guy puts up "solutions" based ideas.
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    I agree with this in principle but have to allow communities some leeway. If Newton wants a $200 Million dollar school, let them. The state should cap "our" money at $30 Million for ALL schools. anything over that is the towns resposability.

    My bigger issue is the 2 "Taj Majal's" we the tax payers of the commonwealth payed for almost 100%. They are in Chelsea and Lawrence. Take a look sometime. Also why are we subsidizing them so their teachers are fully funded year after year while most towns don't know until the budgets are passed if they will be able to retain all their teachers. My town had to cut 11 teachers while I pay for Lawrence to keep 100% of their? Welcome to socialist taxachusetts!
     
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    Perhaps the State, through the Treasures Office, could appropriate funds to make a certain and contained number of plans and specs for various size communities ( say 3, for each differing population gradation, 250-500 students, 500-1500, 1500-300+), and place the cost of the plans and specs within the state capital budget. Then have the state change the re-imbursement rules through legislation, MAKING STATE RE-IMBURSEMENT CONTINGENT ON USING ONE OF THESE PLANS! Any change from the approved plans would have to be bourne by the communities themselves. Also, some percentage of the debt service paid each year by the communities would be returned to the state to reimburse the cost of inclusion within the state capital budget, and assess against the cherry sheet for that town....I think this works, and funds don't have to be thrown around by different govrenmant offices...KEPP IT SIMPLE AND MANDATORY!

     
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    [Quote]Although Cahill never saw a tv camera he didn't like, isn't this up to the individual towns?  If the taxpayers are okay with it, what business is it of Cahill's?[/Quote]

    depending on the town, the state has to reimburse certain percentage of the costs to the city.  Do your homework first.

    And come on, we are not talking about prefab buildings here.  Elementary schools need the same functions whether they're in MA or FL.  Have you ever been to a brand spanking new public shool in FL or whatever you said it's cookie cutter?  Take a look, they all provide a safe, efficient and functional building for kids to learn.  And you can all save the extra money to provide better resources for the kids.
     
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    [Quote]Although Cahill never saw a tv camera he didn't like, isn't this up to the individual towns?  If the taxpayers are okay with it, what business is it of Cahill's?[/Quote]

    depending on the town, the state has to reimburse certain percentage of the costs to the city.  Do your homework first.

    And come on, we are not talking about prefab buildings here.  Elementary schools need the same functions whether they're in MA or FL.  Have you ever been to a brand spanking new public shool in FL or whatever you said it's cookie cutter?  Take a look, they all provide a safe, efficient and functional building for kids to learn.  And you can all save the extra money to provide better resources for the kids.
     
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    OK folks, come on now. The issue in Newton is exactly what we want to avoid State wide.  Way to much money was spent there and the Mayor has no respect for the people that live and pay in that town let alone across the Staet. not living there infuriates me that my tax money WILL pay for some of it.
    Not sure what all this hoopla is about Florida - who cares what they build there...unless you live there it shouldn't matter.  If you think it is the way to go and want to live around and be part of that then move there.
    Kids go to school to learn. the architecture shouldn't matter. A  simpe, building  is all they need..come on!  The fact that newton High is a show piece will  what the people that live there want to hear adn see. That building wil be obsolute in September, themn what?? The Mayor adn town people going to upgrade everyhting? DO theya ctually believe this building will make their children learn more? NO WAY
    Get a grip
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    it does not matter how much money we have to spend, as long as we make things so artistically wonderful. no price is too great, heck we should buy priceless works of art and put them in elementary schools so the kids canbe exposed to the great works i dont mind paying 50 or 60% more in taxes if it means  putting up the gugenheim elementary school, or the frank lloyd wright junior high. damn the expense lets see those works of art. !

    Yes, thats sarcasm.
    p.s. why dont we put in a revolving  cafeteria in all new schools, so the kids can have a view with thier lunch. we dont have enough textboks to go around ( i am constanly told) but  if we are going to have empty bookcases they might as well be hand carved mahogany bookcases.
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Geeze, You folks should go visit a few towns in WMASS --Ashfield, Heath, and the rest of the Mohawk district -- they all built theseabsurd Tajs back in the late 90s and are now struggling to pay them off -- allfor a bunch of small town pissing contests.

    But the voters did decide and the got what they deserved -- really really highproperty taxes! "Hey we may be broke but at least our school has a Foyerwith Goshen stone floors and a chandelier!”

     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Funny many of the small towns in NH up where near where I live (live in Mass, on border) got funding from the feds to build new schools. They all look the same, they look quite nice, and I’ll bet they do the job of a school just fine.
    I'm sure NH did this in a cost efficient manor, and used the same plans over and over; maybe they were even mandated by the feds. And like most of the things that are done in NH, I'll bet they came in under time and under budget. Massachusetts needs to wake up and stop this crap. There should be certain rules placed on the funding these towns receive from the state and it certainly should be a flat rate, not a percentage that's just crazy. My town is conservative when is comes top spending so when we built the new middle school about 5 years ago the cost was fairly low, why in the hell should some other town who is not conservative and could care less about the cost get more $$ than my town.


     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Typical, criticizing after the fact.  Where was his opposition when they approved the completely over the top design of Newton North?  And we're talking about public schools, as long as they are functioning, WHO CARES what they look like??

     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Typical state over-reaching and over-control.

    All I want the Treasurer to do is make sure that the STATE portion of  reimbursementas are limited. I really don't care fi taxpayers in another Town decide to tax themselves to build a bigger auditoirum or put in a pool; that's their own decision.

    The treasurer could limit the reimbursement paid to towns to the state's reimbursments for the basics, then the Town would shoulder thr rest. That would protect me as a taxpayer just as well as his current plan.

    Instead he's also trying to dictate to Towns what kinds of schools they can build. Thanks, but I don't need you to help me by taking away a Town's ability to buidl mroe than a basic school.  You'd think that protecting our state tax dollars would be enough.

     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    I agree that Newton has gone crazy here. Reportedly, MA taxpayers will be paying $49 mil for that outrageous building. My town recently built a new high school for $60 mil, or less than half the cost. It is a very nice building. Can others do this? Absolutely.
     
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    Tim Cahill's plan to reduce school construction costs

    Why not do this? North Carolina has grown in leaps and bounds over the last 10 years. Since they had to build a lot of new schools, the state approved 5 or 6 designs and said "We'll fund construction if you use these designs." School systems all over the state were able to build schools quickly, without spending scads of money.
     

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