2013 State of the Commonwealth speech

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    Are we REALLY this stupid??  This cretin is cut out of the same cloth as his mentor in Washington.  When he says he wants to invest in infrastructure.....that is code for UNIONS.  When he says he wants to invest in education, that is code for UNIONS.  Why doesn't he "invest" in staying out of our way, in cleaning up welfare fraud, in preventing the state crime lab scandal, in cleaning up government waste and corruption, in holding parents accountable for raising their own children so that the teachers don't have to raise them?  This guy is so predictable.

    Of course he raises the income tax and decreases sales tax.  That hits working people and favors the spenders.  Go to Best Buy some night and see who is spending money......it's the takers, the EBT crowd..its not me! 

    Lastly, I can't believe he says he has saved the taxpayers $11 BILLION dollars and reinvested in education and infrastructure.  What math is HE looking at????

     
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    Do the math - It's a 19% tax increase.

    The brain-dead, supine news media describe the income tax plan as "a one percent increase."

    Yes, children, going from 5.25% to 6.25% equals one percent. Simple addition for simple minds.

    But let's do the math -- how great an increase is it from current rates? More than 19% -- a gigantic increase by anyone's measure. For comparison, consider this: Obama proposed raising the income tax rate on billionaires by 4%, and the Republicans had kittens over it.

    Boston Globe reporters need to understand that their job is to inform the public -- not to beat the drum for Governor Patrick, or President Obama. I support both -- but I am the one who makes that fully-informed decision, not some Globe reporter.

     
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    In response to Entropic's comment:

    I'm very impressed with Patrick and I think he shows great courage. He's the first governor in many years who actually cares to govern and take a stand, even it angers many. Unlike Rommey (who started running for Prez, and running away from the state, even running AGAINST the state, within a few months of being elected); Weld (who was bored almost immediately with governing) and Cellucci (who was just incompetent and also looking ahead and dreaming of higher, cushier office, hopefully gifted by his buddies, the Bushes) -- Patrick actually cares to govern the state. He is proposing lowering regressive taxes (sales taxes) and increasing income taxes (so that those with higher income pay more -- a progressive tax). In general, I support this. I want to hear more, I don't want to see another blackhole like the Big Dig -- but I know we need to spend money on infrastructure and education. Brave Gov. Patrick!!



    You stating Romney runing away from the state to run for prez... Guess what, when you have a house of democrats, you can't do diddly squat .. so why waste the time here in the state.  It's Romney's vetoing power that keeps this state from running rampant over the cliff.  And guess what... we're going that way with Duval ... unpopular did you say?   Well again... the majority are the poor .. and the majority will elect a democrat.

     
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    Governor Patrick has just re-energized the Republican Party of Massachusetts. Former Senator Scott Brown should be sending him a thank you note. Start with an overhaul of the Pension system in the Commonwealth and take them away for all new workers and those that are not 10 years vested in the system and make a 5% contribution annually.  This has happened in the private sector for decades. No more listening to faux conservative friends who work for the state but benefit from a socialist program. Let's see how conservative they are after losing their taxpayer funded/guaranteed pension. This should include but not being limited to Prison workers, State Police, Unversity/College Professors and the rest of the lot.

    If their were no pensions and lifetime health benefits and the state was in dire need, then I would consider this tax with an open mind. But under the current conditions, take a hike Governor and rest up in Richmond to come back and rescind this plan. BIG MISTAKE Mr. Dukakis errr Patrick.

     
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    I think it is wrong to raise the income tax at a time when people are struggling. This is a terrible proposal and we should all contact our legistlators.



    your legislators are part of the problem... democrats .. brain dead ... only about sucking from the middleclass.

     
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    my income declines every year and that is accompained by insane increases in health care costs and all other insurances.   And the cost of nearly everything else, food utilities and basic needs.

    So if we raise income tax and lower sales tax that seems to benifet, lets see people who either do not work or do not pay income tax.  

    I say No  No  No  No

    But this idiotic state has choose to keep the sales tax and not lower it in two ballot votes

    Please wake up folks......when the state has 7700plus people on the payroll making 100,000per year.   I think i can see plenty of room for cuts.

    Plus the state doesn't have a transportation system.....boston has one.   

    There are no trains or buses in my town

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I don't know what the big fuss over the tax changes is about. I am in the lower size of middle class and believe the proposed tax rate is actually good for me. Yes, the income tax rate goes up but my personal exemption is doubled. People should do some basic math before venting. Perhaps this is proof that our education system has failed? If my current taxable income is $40K at a rate of 5.25% I would pay $2100 income tax. Under the new plan my taxable income will fall to $35.6K (since I can deduct an additional $4400 with the increase in exemption) at a rate of 6.25%. I would pay $2225 income tax. Yes, income tax goes up a little. But the other part of the proposed change is decrease in sales tax. In general, year to year spending is roughly the same. So if I spent $20K at 6.25% sales tax my bill would be $1250, but with a lower sale tax the new bill would be $900, a $350 saving.

    A lower sales tax would stimulate consumer spending. Isn't that's why people go to NH? It also decreases the total price difference between MA and NH. Isn't that a good thing for people of MA; mind you not everyone live close the the NH border to make it worthwhile. What a lot of people don't realize is that this also increases our sales tax competitiveness with Conneticut (at 6.35%), RI (at 7%), NY (at 8.48%) and VT (6.14%). If you live in those state near MA (and a lot do) you now have incentive to shop in MA. Isn't that a good thing for MA?

    Everytime tax rate go up people blow up. Think back a couple of years ago when sales tax went up and that was a big increase. And look at it now, has that really made a big impact, did it really drive down purchases, change your buying habits and life style? For many of us that is a big NO. Read the proposal first, completely, think, then speak. People that threaten to leave the state, please do, and you will find higher unemployement, worse crime, worse services and not to mention worse sports teams. Actually be my guest, that will probably drive down home prices here so I can finally buy a house.

     
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    For all of the poor and inept mangement over at the MBTA Deval wants John Q. Citizen to pay for their blunders.  Great answer Governor, you moron.  Then the thought of raising the income tax is another ludicrous notion.  The entire scheme hatched by your administration seems eerily simialr to robbing Peter to pay for Paul!  What a visionary you are (not).    Please, do us a favor and go to Washington with the other self-interested weasels and let the Massachusetts tax payer figure out how to resolve your total screwing to us.  

     
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    In response to jinzhang's comment:

    I don't know what the big fuss over the tax changes is about. I am in the lower size of middle class and believe the proposed tax rate is actually good for me. Yes, the income tax rate goes up but my personal exemption is doubled. People should do some basic math before venting. Perhaps this is proof that our education system has failed? If my current taxable income is $40K at a rate of 5.25% I would pay $2100 income tax. Under the new plan my taxable income will fall to $35.6K (since I can deduct an additional $4400 with the increase in exemption) at a rate of 6.25%. I would pay $2225 income tax. Yes, income tax goes up a little. But the other part of the proposed change is decrease in sales tax. In general, year to year spending is roughly the same. So if I spent $20K at 6.25% sales tax my bill would be $1250, but with a lower sale tax the new bill would be $900, a $350 saving.

    A lower sales tax would stimulate consumer spending. Isn't that's why people go to NH? It also decreases the total price difference between MA and NH. Isn't that a good thing for people of MA; mind you not everyone live close the the NH border to make it worthwhile. What a lot of people don't realize is that this also increases our sales tax competitiveness with Conneticut (at 6.35%), RI (at 7%), NY (at 8.48%) and VT (6.14%). If you live in those state near MA (and a lot do) you now have incentive to shop in MA. Isn't that a good thing for MA?

    Everytime tax rate go up people blow up. Think back a couple of years ago when sales tax went up and that was a big increase. And look at it now, has that really made a big impact, did it really drive down purchases, change your buying habits and life style? For many of us that is a big NO. Read the proposal first, completely, think, then speak. People that threaten to leave the state, please do, and you will find higher unemployement, worse crime, worse services and not to mention worse sports teams. Actually be my guest, that will probably drive down home prices here so I can finally buy a house.




    They visit NH to get away from all the moronic behavior in Massachusetts!

     
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    Shut up, Urkel!

     
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    In response to IAMPLE's comment:

    Deval Patrick just gave a terrific speech.   He clearly articulated a vision for the Commonwealth, and he described how to pay for it.     He also proposed significant tax reform.     Impressive!



    Agreed. My only wish is that these priorities be tackled on a national scale. We wouldn't need to raise taxes as much if we could prioritize our national spending better -- far less on the military and corporate subsidies; substantive tax reform to bring back real progressive tax rates, not just the little fix we just got, and stronger health care reform to really tackle the out of control medical inflation. If we did that, tax rates  might not need to rise at all to fully fund education and infrastructure needs.

     
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    Gov Deval is using a shell game and the peanut he is using is a tax bait and switch. So we raise the income tax and lower the sales tax. Tax payers will still pay more and have less to spend on their families. Where have the gasoline taxes gone but to the general fund to support social programs they were not ear marked for. So now Deval is saying more taxes for "Inrastructure" suport. When are we going to make the tough decisions and have the state remain within a budget and use the money we give them. Do we not all have to stay within our means? Why sould the state be any different? Why are we always asked to pay more taxes in tough economic times? Kinsey economics 101 says you do not remove money during a recession wth tax hikes. I say no on new taxes. Balance the budget, spend within the current tax base and make the tough decisions. Govt is a poor and inefficient user of resources. Keep the money in the private sector where personal spending will create new tax revenue over time for the states social progams (Infrastructure).

     
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    In response to Lane Myer's comment:

    In response to Sheffieldsaloser's comment:

     

    In response to P-X's comment:

     

    Obviously anything that involves raising taxes is going to be painful, but we do have a real need for infrastructure improvements, and if this is the way we pay for it (at least in part), that's probably something we'll have to learn to live with. I'd be interesting in hearing more about the doubling of the personal exemption, et cetera, and how that would offset the increase (offhand I would guess that it would mean people who make a significant amount of money, of whom there are many in this state, would pay more... they make more money).

     

    As for the people up in arms about this, I'm not saying paying any more won't be incredibly painful for some... but how much more are we talking about exactly, and what would that be worth if it meant generating new jobs in MA? In the end it's about actual math, not people's gut reactions to the thought of paying more.

     

    But hey, maybe the yahoos will depart for NH (where you get screwed on property taxes, but hey, who likes reality). 

     

     




    Here's reality, genius.

     

    http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-and-local-tax-burdens-all-states-one-year-1977-2010

    Massachusetts residents have the 8th highest tax burden in the country as of 2010.  New Hampshire?  44th.  Get off your high horse and do some research. 


    The Infrastructure item is fake. Deval wants more money for social programs. Where have all the gasoline taxes gone but to the general fund. The gas taxes never made it to repair the roads and bridges. This is BS. The state should remain under a budget like all of us!




     




     
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    Everytime tax rate go up people blow up. Think back a couple of years ago when sales tax went up and that was a big increase. And look at it now, has that really made a big impact, did it really drive down purchases, change your buying habits and life style? For many of us that is a big NO. Read the proposal first, completely, think, then speak. People that threaten to leave the state, please do, and you will find higher unemployement, worse crime, worse services and not to mention worse sports teams. Actually be my guest, that will probably drive down home prices here so I can finally buy a house.



    You're right - raising the sales tax didn't change my buying habits by itself. Raising my property taxes every year, the higher cost of gas, the higher cost of food, and just about everything else changed my buying habits. I bought everything I could online. I buy only what my family needs - no frills anymore, because we can't afford it. Now these creeps want another $1,000 from me annually. Well, I for one, am fed up. I have no interest whatsoever in building a train from Pittsfield to NYC. Nor one from New Bedford to Boston. Totally unnecessary. Ihave no interest in teaching 6 month old babies the alphabet - their mothers can do that themselves (of course that's assuming they actually know the alphabet). I don't want to pay a penny more until the Commonwealth cuts 20% from every single public agency. I want them to have every EBT receipient show up in person to reapply for their benefits. I want all public empolyees to be moved from pensions for life to 401K plans like the rest of us have to deal with. I want them to pay into their healthcare plan - just like the rest of us. And I want them to pay taxes on those pensions when they collect them - just like the rest of us do with our 401K plans.

    I'd like to remind everyone who votes for this cr*p that every penny, every single penny they spend comes from the hard work of someone else. Government creates nothing and starts with zero - all they do is take money out of the pockets of working citizens. It might be nice if once in a while they were mindful of that fact and attempted to use those funds wisely. Instead they offer this....payback to union thugs for votes in the last election.

     
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    I hope all you Obama/Patrick liberal loving spendthrifts enjoy your reduced pay checks and higher income taxes. You certainly will be getting the government you deserve depite the fact it affects all of us. IT IS BEYOND ridiculous to impose additional tax hikes after Obama just laid it on thick on Jan. 2. By the way - pay for your own kids to go to college, get off welfare, and start contributing to society!

     

    In my day, we all worked 2-3 jobs to go to college and would have been mortified to ask for a free ride. It's called a work ethic and now we are penalized for being sucessful.

     
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    When did we become a society that panders to losers instead of celebrating winners? Let's tax all the hard-working middle class people who work 1-2 or more jobs and about 80 hours a week to pay for the losers on welfare and EBT.

     

    Great plan. How about you let us keep our money and we can decidc where it goes. I'd like to have that money to pay for my own needs - not someone else's who does not even contribute to society.

     

    What happened to taking care of yourself? It's pathetic how we can afford to give out money left and right for Section 8 housing and EBT but there's no money left for real needs. If everyone had to fend for themselves we'd have plenty of money for improvements.

     
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    Re: 2013 State of the Commonwealth speech

    In response to IAMPLE's comment:

    Deval Patrick just gave a terrific speech.   He clearly articulated a vision for the Commonwealth, and he described how to pay for it.     He also proposed significant tax reform.     Impressive!




    Deval Patrick is an idiot! He is so out of touch with reality it's truly amazing. He's painted a lovely picture of what could be, without any research into what Bostonians want or providing any transparency into the costs, time line and implementation of putting a high speed rail across MA. Where is his budget? Where are the details? Typical democrat cronyism at its best.

     
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