Deval: Subsidize tuition for illegal immigrants

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    Any one who knows the state colleges and universities knows that in state tution or even free tuition is less than half of the cost. It is the fees that make up 65% to 90% of the bill and everyone pays those. Plus these folks are mass residents. Since mass cannot deport them and the us gov does not, why not give them a break as residents of mass. They pay sales, gas and even income tax in mass.
     
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    “But they should keep in mind we’re talking about real people – individuals, students and families – whose ambitions are caught up in the only community in most cases that they know.”

    Yeah and drug dealers are real people. Real ambitiuos too. Both break the law and should not be coddled.

     
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    BTW this has no chance of passing and Patrick shores up his base-namely illegals. A win for all the hacks.
     
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    everything free in America.

     
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    how is deval paying for this?what desn't get paid for so this can be done?
     
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    I don't think this the economy is in such great shape that we need to do this. Is this a departure from his previous position where he wanted in state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants? I never had a big problem with that since I don't believe in punishing children for the sins of their parents..and better to spend the money now to turn them into productive, tax paying citizens than to do nothing and take a chance that they will be a bigger drain on society ( it costs less to educate someone than it does to put them in prison).
    That being said, if this is a departure from that..and he now wants to offer to all illegal immigrants..I have a big problem with that.
     
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    [QUOTE] I never had a big problem with that since I don't believe in punishing children for the sins of their parents[/QUOTE]

    So if I live in NH, work in MA and my parents moved there while I was small are you saying I should get reduced tuition? How about if they relocated me to TX? In other words all legal residents of the US should get it because their parents didn't locate in MA? Or should we just reward illegals?


     
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    According to the law many of these folks meet the definition of a resident. They live here with the same proof you need to say so. Just because they are not here legally does not mean they do not pay taxes. The children simply moved with the parents. Remember that the resident definition has nothing in law to do with the US immigration system. Plus these folks must pay cash not loans. Real hard working cash. That alone should get them a bit of why not. Any one getting a top school score from the state should get the best tuition becuse great students have a right to what we can teach them.
     
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    Topaz feel free to give them your money. There's nothing that I know that gives these "great" students the right to mine.

    "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"

    -Margaret Thatcher


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Deval: Subsidize tuition for illegal immigrants : So if I live in NH, work in MA and my parents moved there while I was small are you saying I should get reduced tuition? How about if they relocated me to TX? In other words all legal residents of the US should get it because their parents didn't locate in MA? Or should we just reward illegals?
    Posted by lucysandini[/QUOTE]
    The difference is where you reside...legally or in this case illegally. Obviously a child of illegal immigrant parents who resides in NH would not get in-state tuition in MA.  My point is "in state" is probably being interpreted as your address of record ...not your immigration status..two different things.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think his basic idea is he expects amnesty, so he thinks its better if we educate more of them now. But I keep coming back to a certain little problem: They are illegal immigrants. Christ, we don't give in-state tuition to someone who isn't a legal resident of the state. But to someone who isn't a legal resident of the country? I'm split many ways on the immigration issue. As to deportation, I think the only thing that makes sense is deportation of violent criminals and those who commit acts otherwise endangering citizens (driving without a license, and thus, without insurance). If you run the numbers, the cost of arresting, imprisoning, prosecuting (along with right to a defense - you have to prove they are illegal, remember), and ultimately deporting 15 million people is easily a trillion+. And what's to stop most from returning? I think we should focus on employers and remove the carrot. It's a very tough situation for people who were brought here as kids - never told they were not here illegally - and now that they're 18 suddenly find this out and have to wrestle with what to do. A heartless person might say "oh, just go back to your country". Guess what, they don't speak the language because they weren't raised there, and that is not their fault. Well let them go to school if they want to try but I'm not sure I want my tax dollars subsidizing it.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    Believe me..I feel your pain with regards to the issue of illegal immigration...I really do. I don't approve of breaking the law...but on the other hand..I don't believe in punishing someone for the sins of their parents. In theory..I also agree with your point of saying to the effect that children of illegals can go to college..they just have to pay for it themselves. First, children of illegal immigrants are not eligible for any financial aid..not on cent. For a family that..for sure..lives at or below the poverty level...affording college even with in state tuition rates is generally out of reach...add several thousand dollars on top of that and it becomes an impossibility.
    To expand a bit on your point..to me ..it really boils down to how we as a society spend the money. I would rather give a break that amounts to ..what...20k now than to have to pay ten times that amount to provide social and financial support to someone down the  line. I am not saying I love it..but economically it makes more sense in the long run. Sadly...we don't seem to live in a society that considers the long run..
    Just to add...we are probably talking less than 20K...since the tuition portion of college costs is small compared to all the "fees".
     
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    Illegal Immigrants should NOT be in school here!  If they are ILLEGAL, they are committing a crime and should be sent back to wherever they came from.  THE END,   Get them out of the system and stop paying money for illegals.  I can barely afford my daughters tuition and I'm a citizen!! I don't get ANY help with it either.....the citizens can barely afford to eat....illegals eat well, dress well, go to school for free and take advantage of anything the government has.  It's time for the government to give to its own..enough is enough.
     
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    [QUOTE]Topaz feel free to give them your money. There's nothing that I know that gives these "great" students the right to mine. "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher
    Posted by lucysandini[/QUOTE]

    Well said Lucy....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Deval: Subsidize tuition for illegal immigrants : Well said Lucy....
    Posted by jem5[/QUOTE]
    So..Jem...let me ask you this. Pretend you are five years old...your mother came to the US illegallyfrom say..the Dominican Republic...and brought you here as well. They system failed and you and your mother are still living here 13 years later. You have gone to American schools, been brought up learning English..been brought up in American culture. What is the crime that you..as the child committed? What should society punish you..the child for? Should the US send you back to the Dominican Republic..? A place that will seem strange and foreign to you...a place where you don't understand the language? Or should the US keep you in the US..but not allow you to become a productive citizen? What is the choice that should be made in those circumstances? What would you choose?
    Sadly...illegal immigration issues are not all cut and dried or black and white. If they were..they would certainly be much simpler to deal with.
     
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    Why would an immigrant not try to become a citizen upon learning that their status in this country is not legal?  To qualify for any government assistance, the illegals should become citizens. The only problem that I have with the illegal immigration issue is that some people feel that the government should give illegals handouts when those same illegals have not made any attempts to go through the channels to become legal.  Technically, it's really not "up to" the US to do anything with illegal immigrants except escort them out. 

    I do sympathize with the people who are in the situation that is described in the comment above me but I can only sympathize so much when they openly and willingly admit that they break the law on a daily basis and don't make any attempts to change that. 

    I don't think that people should be punished for something their parents did but I also don't feel that citizenship should just be granted for them either (and, as a side thought, why aren't the parents being charged for a crime they openly admit to committing?).  I feel that these people should be given a fair chance and fair amount of time to work towards their legal status in this country and if they don't care to do that then they will have no one to blame but theirself when (or should I say if) they get booted.
     
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    [QUOTE]Why would an immigrant not try to become a citizen upon learning that their status in this country is not legal?  To qualify for any government assistance, the illegals should become citizens. The only problem that I have with the illegal immigration issue is that some people feel that the government should give illegals handouts when those same illegals have not made any attempts to go through the channels to become legal.  Technically, it's really not "up to" the US to do anything with illegal immigrants except escort them out.  I do sympathize with the people who are in the situation that is described in the comment above me but I can only sympathize so much when they openly and willingly admit that they break the law on a daily basis and don't make any attempts to change that.  I don't think that people should be punished for something their parents did but I also don't feel that citizenship should just be granted for them either (and, as a side thought, why aren't the parents being charged for a crime they openly admit to committing?).  I feel that these people should be given a fair chance and fair amount of time to work towards their legal status in this country and if they don't care to do that then they will have no one to blame but theirself when (or should I say if ) they get booted.
    Posted by SwizzleSticks[/QUOTE]

    Swizzlesticks..all great points..the only problem is that a 17 year old...realizing for the first time that he or she is in this country illegally has no mechanism in place that allows them to change their status. None..whatsoever. If they try to "do the right thing" they will be deported as the law stands now. So...you are 17 years old...you just found out that you are here illegally....what do you do? Contact immigration and risk being sent to a country that essentially foreign to you..? Contact a lawyer? How do you pay for that at 17 years old?
    While I don't disagree with any of your sentiments..I submit to you that the flaws in our immigration system prevent people like the 17 year old from doing the right thing.
    This is why our immigration system needs to be reformed..the laws need to be enforced from the outset and people who are here on expired visas ( the majority of illegal immigrants in the country) need to be addressed faster than they are.
     
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