MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

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    Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

    In Response to MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.:
    [QUOTE]Under both scenarios, MBTA ferries would be eliminated, commuter rail weekend service would be eliminated and nighttime service would end at 10 p.m., and weekend service on the Mattapan Line as well as the E branch of the Green Line would be eliminated. http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2012/01/state-unveils-two-mbta-fare-increase-service-cut-scenarios/DoUG26YM6frTKPtULQkOUK/index.html?comments=all#readerComm Oh boy, and a sharp uptick in drunk drivers as well, as the last commuter ride out lowers from 12:20 to 10 pm... brilliant. And of course, let's screw all the people in the low income areas lining the E-line, who likely have to work on the weekends and need the subway to do it. One place you absolute imbeciles could start is requiring your lazy bus drivers and trolley drivers to actually make sure everyone who gets on pays. As it is now, they'll open all the doors and those who want to pay get in on the front. Those who don't get in the back and sit down without paying.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    All excellent points. But if the ticket price had been tied to the price of downtown parking, gasoline, sales tax, and car maintinance? It would be $2 easy increase.  Just on inflation of the cost of commuting. Hey take a bike, or a moped. The bus drivers could have better jobs, at walmart. As to not paying they would have had to spend money to enforce payments which means not just a driver but an enforcer. So thats two overpaid dont care people on a bus carrying 4 passengers. I say cut every route and time that does not pay for itself. The ferries are a great cut. The boats are ridiculous when they replicate trains and cost even more to operate. The empty routes have to go. Mostly the management SO CALLED, who pretend to operate the system, need a pink reality envelope. And no one related or knowing anyone in state government or city contractors can be the replacements.
     
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    Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

    I think that this is probably one of the worst managed entities in the state. Isn't the MBTA being run by a private company? I find it funny that ..what..a day perhaps..after all the good press the MBTA got for their First Night service they drop this bombshell about eliminating service and ferries?
    I can see raising fares a percentage if you want to start replacing old equipment..etc...but cutting service sounds like shooting yourself in the foot. The commuter rail service is already lacking.
    Also..the city of Boston should be up in arms over this. All the cuts to the commuter rail and ferries will do is discourage people from the suburbs from going into Boston for pleasure.
     
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    Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

    In Response to Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices. : All excellent points. But if the ticket price had been tied to the price of downtown parking, gasoline, sales tax, and car maintinance? It would be $2 easy increase.  Just on inflation of the cost of commuting. Hey take a bike, or a moped. The bus drivers could have better jobs, at walmart. As to not paying they would have had to spend money to enforce payments which means not just a driver but an enforcer. So thats two overpaid dont care people on a bus carrying 4 passengers. I say cut every route and time that does not pay for itself. The ferries are a great cut. The boats are ridiculous when they replicate trains and cost even more to operate. The empty routes have to go. Mostly the management SO CALLED, who pretend to operate the system, need a pink reality envelope. And no one related or knowing anyone in state government or city contractors can be the replacements.
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]

    Well they can do away with those "drivers" who sit on the second carriage doing nothing, on the Green lines. Maybe those can then become the new "payment enforcers"? Much better use of manpower. 
    Or how about, like the "party bus" phenomenon we have a "party-T" where its decked out like a nightclub, with DJ, bar, doormen etc. Then it travels round as a mobile nightclub! Imagine that, the club that comes to YOU! Can then charge a $20 cover or something.
    Or hows about having vending machines on all T cars? A little snack while you travel, sounds good to me. 
    Or maybe add a "luxury" T car to some routes, where you pay $5 per ride (instead of the current $2), but get a padded leather seat, WiFi, TV, Newspapers, coffee etc?
     
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    Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

    Perhaps you didn't get the memo to Mass residents that there won't be any fun here and everyone should be home by 10pm, even in the "World Class" city of Boston, cough. There won't be any music festivals on public land without months of hearings and permits or many thousands of dollars in fees and legal costs! Any kind of music or dancing needs to be in private establishments following long, expensive process, necessitating liquor sales to pay for it, if at all. Raiding of house parties will continue to prevent any fun at private residences by those trying to evade high prices, short hours and mandated TSA-like identity and security checkpoints at bars and clubs.

    As to fare evaders on buses: Thanks to fraudulent and frivolous lawsuits, we now have cameras in buses which can back up drivers who get slapped or stabbed by evaders. I don't blame drivers. They get sent to customer service school if complained about. I wouldn't want to hear some big mama rant in my face for 20 minutes about the fare. That will become even more common after the fare hike.

    Anybody know what the MBTA pays out in "personal injury" claims?
     
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    An old song

    The 1969 fare increase doubled the bus fare. We checked out as regular riders. The extra-operator rules were squabbles then, too. While Noah Bierman was reporting transportation, the Globe had its best-ever T coverage, and he wrote on that about 2-1/2 years ago. [ Touching the third rail of transit policy, June 14, 2009, at http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/06/14/t_may_try_again_to_cut_secondary_train_operators/ ]

    The extra-operator rule amounts to about a sixth of the current deficit. The big numbers, which even Noah Bierman could never quite get his arms around, are the Big Dig debts loaded onto the T by the Cellucci regime, with debt service about a quarter of the annual budget. The Globe no longer does any useful reporting on the T and has choked off most of its archives, but you can look back at the situation of three years ago, just as tough, in the Cambridge Chronicle. [ MBTA eyes fare increase to chip away at debt load, July 9, 2009, at http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/news/x135747001/MBTA-eyes-fare-increase-to-chip-away-at-debt-load ]

    Big Dig debts loaded onto MBTA were to pay for transit projects the state agreed to perform as environmental mitigation. The state palmed off its obligations onto an agency that had nothing to do with creating them. In 2009, the MBTA board hired Brian Kane to puzzle out their situation. He wrote a report titled Born Broke that still connects many dots. [ http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Documents/Financials/Born_Broke.pdf ]

    That situation had a political solution and now, with state revenues rising, this one may also.

     
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    Costs rising, ridership falling

    This post has been retracted in favor of a more thorough financial picture to be posted later. It remains true that, since about 2003, MBTA costs have been steadily rising, while ridership has been gradually falling.

     
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    Re: MBTA: Our incompetence has bankrupted us, so we'll just cut service and raise prices.

    AppDev, thank you for highlighting the debt service, and how it was just lobbed over the transom onto an agency whose purpose is actually to alleviate transportation problems, and moreover, to compete in all ways with the Big Dig's purposes.  And it is a humongous dead weight and hemorrhage.  The official solutions are the outcome of this policy burden, the end-game in this competition.

    You give no shrift to the huge hole that surface Green Line scofflaw ridership puts in all the data that data-generators generate.  Sadly - there's got to be a better word without saying "tragically" - there is no apparent solution to this problem that is so apparent to anyone who takes the outer Green Line.  The design of the trolleys and the nitty gritty of enforcement bake it in.  One partial solution would be to change the job description of the second conductors to add security - e.g., enforcement - to their safety mission.  That would improve collection on the second car, at least.  But then there is the insoluble problem that is at the heart of it all: How far are conductors going to go toe to toe with a scofflaw, or 20, and risk their health and their schedule?

    Finally, as illustrated above if illustration is even necessary, service cannot be cut back as part of any solution.  The E Line as luxury or less important than any other across the network?  No way.  The "T" as first or last resort for each and every rider on every line argues completely for not canceling any service for any period.
     
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