1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/9/2009 8:44 AM EDT
The "solution" of printing and spending didn't work in 1934, and it won't work now.
Lead can't be made into gold, and you can't spend your way out of debt.
It took the careful maneuvering of FDR to force Japan into a "sneak attack", thereby allowing him to declare war on Japan, thus forcing Japan's ally Germany to declare war on us.
Which country will be our guinea pig this time?
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Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 8:23 AM EDT
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History shows that the counties that emerged from the depression the fastest were the ones that spent like drunken sailors. Sweden was hit hard and had recovered completely by 1933 because they quadrupled their budget and spent their way out of it.
The idea of the war to allow FDR to vastly increase government spending to improve the economy without the right wing complaining? Look at the data. Government spending went from 12% of GDP to 57% after Pearl Harbor, and our economy boomed and we became the most powerful nation on earth!
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Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 9:31 AM EDT
History shows that the counties that emerged from the depression the fastest were the ones that spent like drunken sailors. Sweden was hit hard and had recovered completely by 1933 because they quadrupled their budget and spent their way out of it. The idea of the war to allow FDR to vastly increase government spending to improve the economy without the right wing complaining? Look at the data. Government spending went from 12% of GDP to 57% after Pearl Harbor, and our economy boomed and we became the most powerful nation on earth!
Posted by M--S
Ah, so if it weren't for Japan we'd still be in a depression. If not for Neville Chamberlain and Joe Kenndy being thrown off Downing St, we'd never have had to worry about a Berlin Wall since the entrire continent would be Germany.
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."
Somehow I don't Churchill meant the Japs
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 9:59 AM EDT
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Grim: Your lack of historical understanding is clear. At the time of Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were already actively engaged in a war in China that was part of broad imperial ambitions to dominate all of Asia. To further that goal they launched an attack against all Western powers (Britain, France, Netherlands, U.S.) hoping to get the natural resources to fuel their military and take advantage of the fact that the Germans were dominating everyone's attention in Europe. To believe that F.D.R. (in a largely isolationist America) somehow engineered this sutuation is simply nonsense: Japan gambled their empire on the attack, but they were nobody's pawn. I suggest you read some of the history from Japan's point of view. But you wont. After all, why let the facts get in the way of yet another conspiracy theory?
And we did spend our way out of the Depression. Hopefully, it wont take a war to do it this time around.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 10:09 AM EDT
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The "solution" of printing and spending didn't work in 1934, and it won't work now. Lead can't be made into gold, and you can't spend your way out of debt. It took the careful maneuvering of FDR to force Japan into a "sneak attack", thereby allowing him to declare war on Japan, thus forcing Japan's ally Germany to declare war on us. Which country will be our guinea pig this time?
Posted by GrimFandango
I suppose you dont think Germany and Japan were a threat to the security of the United States. It was cleal back then that Republican totally opposed entering the war against Hitler!! BTW, it was the large corporation and monied families that plotted to overthrown FDR in 1933 because he was a threat to their interests-- the little known Business Plot.
FDR's seems to have worked---the unemployment rate for 1941 was reduced to 9%--- from a high of 20%+ when he took office. The truth of the matter is that FDR probly saved capitalism in the US by his government intervention. If he had not acted, there was a great likelyhood that some form of socialism would have arisen and put in power in subsequent elections.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 11:09 AM EDT
It was cleal back then that Republican totally opposed entering the war against Hitler!!
My God thats dumb. Everett Dirkesen ended the neutrality act with REPUBLICANS. His some of the people you think were republicans:
Amercan Peace Mobilization
CommInter
Charles Lindberg
America First
Senators Burton Wheeler, Gerald Nye, Norman Thomas
Gore Vidal
Joseph P. Kennedy and his best pantywaist friend, Neville Chamberlain
Yea, those are conservatives and republicans.
If you're gonna rewrite history, you might friggin read it first
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 11:25 AM EDT
I suppose you dont think Germany and Japan were a threat to the security of the United States. It was cleal back then that Republican totally opposed entering the war against Hitler!! BTW, it was the large corporation and monied families that plotted to overthrown FDR in 1933 because he was a threat to their interests-- the little known Business Plot. FDR's seems to have worked---the unemployment rate for 1941 was reduced to 9%--- from a high of 20%+ when he took office. The truth of the matter is that FDR probly saved capitalism in the US by his government intervention. If he had not acted, there was a great likelyhood that some form of socialism would have arisen and put in power in subsequent elections.
Posted by TominNH1
Hey - stop shouting, we can hear ya...
Anyway, NO - I don't think Germany and Japan were threats to the security of the US.
If you can pick your way through the jingoistic propaganda in the available history, you will see that these were regional conflicts, and none of our business. Matter of fact, Hitler wanted to make peace with England shortly after he had reconciled the grievous harm done to Germany by the Versailles Treaty, but the megalomaniac Churchill would have none of it. (By the way, the bombing of purely civilian population centers was started by Churchill, and commenced for a full year before Hitler decided to bomb London - look it up)
We (the citizens) were dragged into war needlessly in WWI, and again in WWII. But then, that seems to be the only way we can get our economy rolling, eh?
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 12:40 PM EDT
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So, Hitler was the peacemaker, and only Churchill was the megalomaniac? C'mon Grim.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 1:54 PM EDT
So, Hitler was the peacemaker, and only Churchill was the megalomaniac? C'mon Grim.
Posted by bowl
I'm gonna take a wild guess at the Holocaust was a myth perpetrated by the Zionists
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 3:28 PM EDT
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Hey - stop shouting, we can hear ya... Anyway, NO - I don't think Germany and Japan were threats to the security of the US. If you can pick your way through the jingoistic propaganda in the available history, you will see that these were regional conflicts, and none of our business. Matter of fact, Hitler wanted to make peace with England shortly after he had reconciled the grievous harm done to Germany by the Versailles Treaty, but the megalomaniac Churchill would have none of it. (By the way, the bombing of purely civilian population centers was started by Churchill, and commenced for a full year before Hitler decided to bomb London - look it up) We (the citizens) were dragged into war needlessly in WWI, and again in WWII. But then, that seems to be the only way we can get our economy rolling, eh?
Posted by GrimFandango
No one is shouting.
But it is absurd to call these the German and Japanese imperial efforts as "regional conflicts". It is called World War II for a reason. In 1941, Germany was militarily involved in three different continents. Japan was deeply engaged in China and plotting to conquer the colonial possesions of the Western powers. They were allied with each other. We were going to get dragged in one way or the other. Allowing Japan to dominate Asia and the Nazis Europe (and beyond) would have been a disaster for us and the rest of humankind.
And Churchill is the meglomaniac and Hitler is the peacekeeper? Wow. That is history turned upside down and inside out.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/11/2009 6:00 PM EDT
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LOL ,According to Professor Grim, you'd be correct, judging by his take on history. :-)
I wonder what our Polish friends would say about 1939? I guess the Germans and friends invaded them to extend the olive branch?
I'm gonna take a wild guess at the Holocaust was a myth perpetrated by the Zionists
Posted by GreginMedford
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 12:01 AM EDT
LOL ,According to Professor Grim, you'd be correct, judging by his take on history. :-) I wonder what our Polish friends would say about 1939? I guess the Germans and friends invaded them to extend the olive branch?
Posted by bowl
Do you have any idea what the Poles did to the Germans after the Versailles Treaty? Germany was bifurcated, and the peasants and farmers in the northern region were systematically slaughtered and buried in mass graves, over 50,000 of them.
Hitler was initially all about taking back what was grabbed from Germany at the end of WWI, with a payback to those that some say had it coming.
Ever hear the old adage that history is written by the victors?
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 12:06 AM EDT
I'm gonna take a wild guess at the Holocaust was a myth perpetrated by the Zionists
Posted by GreginMedford
Sounds like you're one of them Holocaust Deniers.
Good thing you're not in Germany, or you would be off to prison for your little attempt at humor.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 8:58 AM EDT
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Grim - I’m with you on the economy. I think we are going down the wrong road with printing money and spending our way out. This current president is proving to be an even bigger fool for thinking that he can repeat history but changing a few variables here and there. But - Please knock it off with the 9/11 BS. Americans lost their lives and its disrespectful and takes away from their memory. It also takes the focus on the real enemy of this country. Muslim Extremism and makes us all less safe.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 12:04 PM EDT
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Well, wasn't Poland was a very strong kingdom a few hundred years before that, but Austria, Germany and Russia had split it between them? And weren't they given a country again, because of that?
Do you have any idea what the Poles did to the Germans after the Versailles Treaty? Germany was bifurcated, and the peasants and farmers in the northern region were systematically slaughtered and buried in mass graves, over 50,000 of them. Hitler was initially all about taking back what was grabbed from Germany at the end of WWI, with a payback to those that some say had it coming. Ever hear the old adage that history is written by the victors?
Posted by GrimFandango
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 1:25 PM EDT
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Do you have any idea what the Poles did to the Germans after the Versailles Treaty? Germany was bifurcated, and the peasants and farmers in the northern region were systematically slaughtered and buried in mass graves, over 50,000 of them. Hitler was initially all about taking back what was grabbed from Germany at the end of WWI, with a payback to those that some say had it coming. Ever hear the old adage that history is written by the victors?
Posted by GrimFandango
I've read many a book about Germany and WWII. Certainly there is some truth to the adage history is written by the victors, buit I have never read anything of the slaughter you mention of Germans by Poles after the end of WWI. Do you have a link that might lead to some further information?
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 2:11 PM EDT
Sounds like you're one of them Holocaust Deniers. Good thing you're not in Germany, or you would be off to prison for your little attempt at humor.
Posted by GrimFandango
Man. you missed that one by light years. Woof!
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 10:04 PM EDT
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Do you have any idea what the Poles did to the Germans after the Versailles Treaty? Germany was bifurcated, and the peasants and farmers in the northern region were systematically slaughtered and buried in mass graves, over 50,000 of them. Hitler was initially all about taking back what was grabbed from Germany at the end of WWI, with a payback to those that some say had it coming. Ever hear the old adage that history is written by the victors?
Posted by GrimFandango
Read Mein Kampf some day and you will see Hitler's race war theory of how the Aryans (Germans, etc.) are destined to secure world dominance. That book was written by Hitler himself and his vision goes far beyond rectifying the losses of Versailles. His lebensraum goals went deep into the Soviet Union and the Jews were a special target. Read it and get back to us on that "peacemaker" label you support for a man who has the blood of millions on his hands.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/12/2009 10:32 PM EDT
Read Mein Kampf some day and you will see Hitler's race war theory of how the Aryans (Germans, etc.) are destined to secure world dominance. That book was written by Hitler himself and his vision goes far beyond rectifying the losses of Versailles. His lebensraum goals went deep into the Soviet Union and the Jews were a special target. Read it and get back to us on that "peacemaker" label you support for a man who has the blood of millions on his hands.
Posted by Reubenhop
I have read it.
A very dreary and unprofessional rambling, only interesting in its historical context.
However, Hitler’s motivations for removing Jews from Germany struck a responsive chord in the average German. Not because they are racist, but because the Jews had taken over the German economy and banking system, with odious usury policies that aided and strengthened the Jewish position while weakening and virtually destroying the Gentile's financial standing in their own country.
During the early years of Hitler's ascendancy, he swept the Jews out of the positions of financial power, closed the Jewish owned and operated Central Bank, printed his own German Deutschmarks free from cost or interest to the German citizens, and thus turned Germany from a destitute and impoverished country to a first rate world class nation, basically benefiting all Germans equally.
And his elimination of the German Central Bank (the equivalent of our wonderful Federal Reserve) gave the money masters fits, and threatened all Central Banks. That's the primary reason Churchill refused to accept Hitler's offered peace terms and needed to totally destroy Germany (only with the sucker's help, yep - the USA)
It's not Politically Correct, but it's verifiably true.
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/13/2009 12:26 PM EDT
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Grim, where do you get your history sources from?
I have read it. A very dreary and unprofessional rambling, only interesting in its historical context. However, Hitler’s motivations for removing Jews from Germany struck a responsive chord in the average German. Not because they are racist, but because the Jews had taken over the German economy and banking system, with odious usury policies that aided and strengthened the Jewish position while weakening and virtually destroying the Gentile's financial standing in their own country. During the early years of Hitler's ascendancy, he swept the Jews out of the positions of financial power, closed the Jewish owned and operated Central Bank, printed his own German Deutschmarks free from cost or interest to the German citizens, and thus turned Germany from a destitute and impoverished country to a first rate world class nation, basically benefiting all Germans equally. And his elimination of the German Central Bank (the equivalent of our wonderful Federal Reserve) gave the money masters fits, and threatened all Central Banks. That's the primary reason Churchill refused to accept Hitler's offered peace terms and needed to totally destroy Germany (only with the sucker's help, yep - the USA) It's not Politically Correct, but it's verifiably true.
Posted by GrimFandango
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/13/2009 11:38 PM EDT
Grim, where do you get your history sources from?
Posted by bowl
Have you ever heard the old saying, history is written by the victors?
The victors emerge as the young squeaky-clean heroes, and the losers become the vicious child-eating troglodytes.
In reality, the truth is most countries do not engage in a brutal war without adequate provocation, but the victor’s historical whitewash obscures those pesky details.
If I can direct your attention to some verifiable sources for my historical observations, would you be willing to eat your hat?
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/14/2009 9:07 AM EDT
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Yeah Grim, I have heard that old saying, time and time again. Your historical observations? So what you have been saying is nothing more than your personal opinion, based on whatever material you have read. Am I correct on that Grim?
Have you ever heard the old saying, history is written by the victors? The victors emerge as the young squeaky-clean heroes, and the losers become the vicious child-eating troglodytes. In reality, the truth is most countries do not engage in a brutal war without adequate provocation, but the victor’s historical whitewash obscures those pesky details. If I can direct your attention to some verifiable sources for my historical observations, would you be willing to eat your hat?
Posted by GrimFandango
Re: 1934 FDR Depression Era Cartoon - Look Familiar?
posted at 4/14/2009 9:19 AM EDT
Yeah Grim, I have heard that old saying, time and time again. Your historical observations? So what you have been saying is nothing more than your personal opinion, based on whatever material you have read. Am I correct on that Grim?
Posted by bowl
Everything I say is my personal opinion.
Everything anyone says is their own personal opinion.
Are you implying that what you say is somehow not your own personal opinion?
I knew you would chicken out from my little challenge, but I thought you would have dreamed up a better excuse that this lameness.
