325,000 private sector jobs added in December

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    Keep on drinking the Liberal Left, Obama Kool Aid Kirk.  How much do you get paid for posting your unsubstantiated statistics?
     
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    Kirkies musings are PRICELESS !
     
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    In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December:
    [QUOTE]Keep on drinking the Liberal Left, Obama Kool Aid Kirk.  How much do you get paid for posting your unsubstantiated statistics?
    Posted by bobcatsr[/QUOTE]

    bobcatsr:

    Due respect, Kirk's stats comes from a reuter's site. How is this equivalent to "unsubstantiated"?
     
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    Ok Andiejen, kindly post the link to that site and I will gladly check it out. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December:
    [QUOTE]Ok Andiejen, kindly post the link to that site and I will gladly check it out. 
    Posted by bobcatsr[/QUOTE]


    This is the same link that Kirk has in his post.  It does begin, in bold letters, that 325,000 private sector jobs were added in December. 

    Thank you for being willing to check it out.
     
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    Kirk's an "inside" shill on here. 
     
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    Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December

    well, 200,000 jobs added would have been described as anemic duringthe Bush years.  The truth is that we are about 2.5 million jobs inthe hole, and the job need to truly see growth needs to be closer to 400,000, consistently, not just in November and December, the months of plenty of temporary retail work.  At that rate, we will be out of the hole Obama dug in a mere 14 years or so.
     
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    The 325,000 figure in the reuter's site comes from the ADP National Employment Report. The report was in advance of the actual numbers being released Friday. 

    The actual number of private sector jobs added right now appears to be 212,000. Not the 200,000 jmel has in his post. The 12,000 difference is accounted for by the fact 12,000 government jobs were lost in the same time frame. 
     
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    In addition, the jobless rate is now at 8.5%, the lowest since February 2009, and the fourth straight month it has fallen. The economy has generated in excess of 100,000 jobs a month for four straight months for the first time since April 2006. 

    Of course usually there a catch in these statistics. That is typically a jobless percentage rate looks better than it really is because so many otherwise employable people have simply given up looking for work, and the feds do not count you.

    But the number of discouraged workers dropped below 1 million, to 945,000, down from 1.3 million a year ago. 

    Thus, the "underemployment rate," dropped from 15.6 percent to 15.2 percent, the lowest since February 2009.

    So, we finally have a monthly jobs report with no holes in it. And the December figures are almost entirely good news.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December : "appears to be"? Got link? Here`s another backing up 200,000 http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120107/GPG03/201070588/200-000-jobs-added-December-surge
    Posted by jmel[/QUOTE]

    jmel:

    Your link does not back up the 200,000 figure. On page 2 it clearly states that 212,000 private sector jobs were added. 12,000 government were lost.

    You do not "got link" jmel. But thank you for another source to back up my figures.

     
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    [QUOTE]In addition, the jobless rate is now at 8.5%, the lowest since February 2009, and the fourth straight month it has fallen. The economy has generated in excess of 100,000 jobs a month for four straight months for the first time since April 2006.  Of course usually there a catch in these statistics. That is typically a jobless percentage rate looks better than it really is because so many otherwise employable people have simply given up looking for work, and the feds do not count you. But the number of discouraged workers dropped below 1 million, to 945,000, down from 1.3 million a year ago.  Thus, the "underemployment rate," dropped from 15.6 percent to 15.2 percent, the lowest since February 2009. So, we finally have a monthly jobs report with no holes in it. And the December figures are almost entirely good news.
    Posted by andiejen[/QUOTE]

    Not so. Read jmel's link.  the unemployment numbers are being fudged big time.

    Look, the workforce participation rate continues to drop, erroneously, I believe, which makes the unemployment rate appear lower. It is really closer to 12%.

    Besides, the retail numbers are being revised downward. I have a friend in big box retail that reports to me that the big retailers are delaying plans to revamp for the spring because they are so far below forecast that they do not have the surplus cash to finance the change over, and surprise, banks aren't lending. the real numbers are so low, they are tossing workers out like trash.

    The uptick in car sales has not resulted in an uptick in used cars.  Most of the purchase are new cars without trade in.  Used car lots are empty.  This means people are buying because they have to, sort of a pent up need being reported as a healthy change in demand.

    What all this means is that th real economy is in a big stall, and the government is manipulating the number to hide it. in a few months, the truth will be apparent.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December : Article clearly states 200,000 TOTAL When I took math, 212-12=200 Nice spin Both links say 200,000 Total
    Posted by jmel[/QUOTE]

    jmel:

    Are we really having a problem to communicate or is this a problem with your reading comprehension?

    No spin, except your attempt. 212,000 PRIVATE SECTOR  jobs added. PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS. 12,000 GOVERNMENT jobs lost. Two entirely different sectors of the job market. 

    Yes, 200,000 jobs in total. Good for you. You can do simple subtraction. But that is not what I wrote. I broke it down just as the sources did.

    Try repeating it until you get it. The private sector added 212,000 jobs. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December : jmel: Are we really having a problem to communicate or is this a problem with your reading comprehension? No spin, except your attempt. 212,000 PRIVATE SECTOR  jobs added. PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS. 12,000 GOVERNMENT jobs lost. Two entirely different sectors of the job market.  Yes, 200,000 jobs in total. Good for you. You can do simple subtraction. But that is not what I wrote. I broke it down just as the sources did. Try repeating it until you get it. The private sector added 212,000 jobs. 
    Posted by andiejen[/QUOTE]

    Arguing a single data point, meaningless.  Let's look at job creation over time. Bureau of Labor Statistics data:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

    You have to go back to Herbert Hoover to find a worse job creation effort than Obama.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December : There`s one person having a problem communicating and it`s you.  We all knew you were arrogant and tedious but, I, at least, thought you were smart enough to understand basic mathematics.  Both articles clearly state that the "economy added 200,000 jobs".  Don`t know why you cant get that.   Kirk came out with the advanced Reuters data at 325,000.  That was quickly adjusted to 200,000.  I suspect it will be adjusted again in the next couple of weeks.  Again........the economy added 200,000.  212,000 minus 12,000 equals 200,000. Maybe you should write for WSJ or the Wisconsin paper I linked?  You could title your piece:                     "Economy gains 212,000 Jobs minus 12,000 layoffs after the advanced 325,000 plus andiejen spin minus 3rd grade mathematics and don`t forget labor and government jobs vs private sector"  A great headline for you. BTW...........until the ECONOMY is adding somewhere around 300,000 to 400,000 jobs per month (including tha layoffs that some how evade your opinions)........we`re not growing at the rate we need to.
    Posted by jmel[/QUOTE]

    You understand what is going on, while the liberals here are completely clueless.  Obama dug a hole so deep, 200,000 jobs a month doesn't get us out if the problem, the hole continues to grow deeper by about 200,000 jobs per month. (hey, maybe the lack of understanding here is linked to the lack of understanding about the deficit)

    Obama's record on jobs has been atrocious, as this chart shows.

     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December : There`s one person having a problem communicating and it`s you.  We all knew you were arrogant and tedious but, I, at least, thought you were smart enough to understand basic mathematics.  Both articles clearly state that the "economy added 200,000 jobs".  Don`t know why you cant get that.   Kirk came out with the advanced Reuters data at 325,000.  That was quickly adjusted to 200,000.  I suspect it will be adjusted again in the next couple of weeks.  Again........the economy added 200,000.  212,000 minus 12,000 equals 200,000. Maybe you should write for WSJ or the Wisconsin paper I linked?  You could title your piece:                     "Economy gains 212,000 Jobs minus 12,000 layoffs after the advanced 325,000 plus andiejen spin minus 3rd grade mathematics and don`t forget labor and government jobs vs private sector"  A great headline for you. BTW...........until the ECONOMY is adding somewhere around 300,000 to 400,000 jobs per month (including tha layoffs that some how evade your opinions)........we`re not growing at the rate we need to.
    Posted by jmel[/QUOTE]

    jmel:

    I do not dispute that overall 200,000 jobs were added. I never did. I broke it down between how many private sector jobs were added and how many government jobs were lost.

    Any poster who reads my posts will read that...again. As for your opinion of me, why not just stick to the issues and stay away from the personal. Not every poster holds the same opinion that I have of you, nor does every poster hold the same opinion you hold of me. To think otherwise would be absurd. It is also irrelavant.

     
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    Re: 325,000 private sector jobs added in December

     A chart issued by a koch brother lobbyist is no doubt reliable .
     

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