900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote

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    [QUOTE]Republican Party executed a perfect sleight of hand by disenfranchising nearly 900,000 Ohio voters. In the most vicious and direct attack on voting rights since Bull Connor ran amok in the deep South, Ohio House Republicans passed HB 159 that requires Ohio voters to produce one of four state photo IDs at the polls. The only IDs that will be accepted in Ohio if this bill passes the overwhelming Republican State Senate are a U.S. passport, a U.S. military ID, an Ohio driver's license, or an Ohio state ID. This is the most restrictive standard in the nation. The Republican Party's target is obvious. Studies indicate that 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have a government-issued photo ID, 18% of voters over age 65 do not have a photo ID, and 15% of voters with incomes under $35,000 lack the ID as well. Besides going after blacks, the elderly and the poor, the bill also sets its sights on college students. What do these people have in common? They tend to vote Democratic. The Republicans refuse to discuss an amendment that would have accepted a college student ID with a photo from their own state-funded university, including The Ohio State University, one of the nation's largest institutions of higher education. Usually cautious critics like Dan Tokaji, Professor of Law at Ohio State's Moritz College of Law, offered dire assessments: "'Disenfranchisement' isn't a word to be used lightly. But it is necessary to capture this bill's purpose and impact. Passage of this bill would restore our state's unfortunate reputation as our nation's capital of vote suppression." http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ohio-Republicans-pass-new-by-Bob-Fitrakis-110324-483.html
    Posted by Kirk6[/QUOTE]

    Having to prove you are who you are is disenfranchisement?  Strange.  I thought it was preventing voter fraud.
     
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    Its not like they passed the law a day before an election.  Plenty of time to go to the DMV and get an ID.  As a bonus, they get to see a finely tuned government operation like the DMV in action.

     
     
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    One more reason for a national picture identification card issued by Social Security.  That should resolve the complaints from both sides: no voter fraud and no disenfranchisement.  Of course you have the paranoid ones who think this will give the government "too much information" (in this informational age) on its citizens.
     
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    I don't remember a picture id in the constitution. The right to vote should not be unreasonably restricted, period. As to voter fraud, do you understand that there are fewer than 15 votes in 100,000 that are suspect in any given election? As a voter registrar we look carefully at the voter applications and we personally know many of the people in our town. Voting districts are generally small for this reason. As to social security ID did you know that not everyone who is entitled to vote, has an SSID? Like resident alien families or students. They often can vote in state elections because they are legal residents, thus entitled to vote. 
     
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    The GOP makes it easier for people to buy a assault weapon than it is for them to vote.
     
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    [QUOTE]Republican Party executed a perfect sleight of hand by disenfranchising nearly 900,000 Ohio voters. In the most vicious and direct attack on voting rights since Bull Connor ran amok in the deep South, Ohio House Republicans passed HB 159 that requires Ohio voters to produce one of four state photo IDs at the polls. The only IDs that will be accepted in Ohio if this bill passes the overwhelming Republican State Senate are a U.S. passport, a U.S. military ID, an Ohio driver's license, or an Ohio state ID. This is the most restrictive standard in the nation. The Republican Party's target is obvious. Studies indicate that 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have a government-issued photo ID, 18% of voters over age 65 do not have a photo ID, and 15% of voters with incomes under $35,000 lack the ID as well. Besides going after blacks, the elderly and the poor, the bill also sets its sights on college students. What do these people have in common? They tend to vote Democratic. The Republicans refuse to discuss an amendment that would have accepted a college student ID with a photo from their own state-funded university, including The Ohio State University, one of the nation's largest institutions of higher education. Usually cautious critics like Dan Tokaji, Professor of Law at Ohio State's Moritz College of Law, offered dire assessments: "'Disenfranchisement' isn't a word to be used lightly. But it is necessary to capture this bill's purpose and impact. Passage of this bill would restore our state's unfortunate reputation as our nation's capital of vote suppression." http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ohio-Republicans-pass-new-by-Bob-Fitrakis-110324-483.html
    Posted by Kirk6[/QUOTE]
    The republicans are a bigger threat to freedom than Al Qaeda.
     
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    There is nothing stopping people from getting a photo ID, so what's the problem?  Oh, dead people and people who aren't legal Ohio voters won't be able to vote for Obama again.  Just another loophole closed to prevent fraud. 
     
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    To AlleyCatBruin I go one further, they are a bigger threat to freedom than the Axis powers of WW2. Semper fi !
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't remember a picture id in the constitution. The right to vote should not be unreasonably restricted, period. As to voter fraud, do you understand that there are fewer than 15 votes in 100,000 that are suspect in any given election? As a voter registrar we look carefully at the voter applications and we personally know many of the people in our town. Voting districts are generally small for this reason. As to social security ID did you know that not everyone who is entitled to vote, has an SSID? Like resident alien families or students. They often can vote in state elections because they are legal residents, thus entitled to vote. 
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]

    Your numbers are not right.  Maybe they are right in the aggregate, but the voter fraud in the cities is off the charts.  consider Philadelphia: Since 1995:  Population down 11%, voter rolls increased 25%.  How do you make that math work in the real world?


    I know the liberals are up in arms about this, because they depend on voter fraud, and they concentrate their efforts in urban areas. 

     
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    Beltway the Ohio's state GOP knows all too well about voter's fraud and rigging elections. You don't have to go no further back in history than 2004 to find examples of the GOP stealing elections.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : Your numbers are not right.  Maybe they are right in the aggregate, but the voter fraud in the cities is off the charts.  consider Philadelphia: Since 1995:  Population down 11%, voter rolls increased 25%.  How do you make that math work in the real world? I know the liberals are up in arms about this, because they depend on voter fraud, and they concentrate their efforts in urban areas. 
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]
    Additional registered voters makes the numbers work just fine. You are not registered to vote just because you live in a town. You have to renew your status every year. Usually through a local census. The voter roll is audited every year regardless of an election cycle. Provisional votes are allowed by persons who are residents but not registered. Their votes will be tossed out if they did not maintain the census data required. Their vote is allowed if the local census data is flawed or out of date. The census data is not maintained by the voter registrar and all voters who come to the poll are normally given a chance to vote if only as a provisional ballot. There is no fraud in the numbers if you look at registered voter numbers vs the population. In many places less than %50 of the pop. is actually registered to vote.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : Additional registered voters makes the numbers work just fine. You are not registered to vote just because you live in a town. You have to renew your status every year. Usually through a local census. The voter roll is audited every year regardless of an election cycle. Provisional votes are allowed by persons who are residents but not registered. Their votes will be tossed out if they did not maintain the census data required. Their vote is allowed if the local census data is flawed or out of date. The census data is not maintained by the voter registrar and all voters who come to the poll are normally given a chance to vote if only as a provisional ballot. There is no fraud in the numbers if you look at registered voter numbers vs the population. In many places less than %50 of the pop. is actually registered to vote.
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]


    So, you think it is perfectly reasonable that population can drop 11%, and yet voter rolls increase 25%.  I would say that that is an astounding "get out the vote" effort, in fact, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

    How are you so certain there is no fraud in the numbers?  I smell democrats at work in this.


     
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    [QUOTE]I don't remember a picture id in the constitution. The right to vote should not be unreasonably restricted, period. As to voter fraud, do you understand that there are fewer than 15 votes in 100,000 that are suspect in any given election? As a voter registrar we look carefully at the voter applications and we personally know many of the people in our town. Voting districts are generally small for this reason. As to social security ID did you know that not everyone who is entitled to vote, has an SSID? Like resident alien families or students. They often can vote in state elections because they are legal residents, thus entitled to vote. 
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]

    There is little in the Constitution about voting at all: it was initially left to the states to develop appropriate procedures.  I am sure we can develop a national identification card issued through the states to protect all interests.
     
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    This is to stop illegal immigrants from voting. It's nonsense to claim that voting fraud doesn't happen. I suppose the following incidents never happened. Probably in a liberal's mind they didn't.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110317/news/703179836/
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/4876066.html
     
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    Don't you need to show a picture ID to buy alcohol? But that is ok and this isn't?
     
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    [QUOTE]This is to stop illegal immigrants from voting. It's nonsense to claim that voting fraud doesn't happen. I suppose the following incidents never happened. Probably in a liberal's mind they didn't. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110317/news/703179836/ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/4876066.html
    Posted by qwerty200[/QUOTE]

    In both the cited cases, having to show an ID at the polls would not have made a difference. The people were already on the voting list.  Next....  There is relatively little fraud in this country and it is disingenuous to argue that these bills being passed to require photo IDs are anything but an attempt to keep people from voting.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : So, you think it is perfectly reasonable that population can drop 11%, and yet voter rolls increase 25%.  I would say that that is an astounding "get out the vote" effort, in fact, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. How are you so certain there is no fraud in the numbers?  I smell democrats at work in this.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]
    Think of it this way. City of 100k. Loss of 10k to moves. Voter intrest in election. Registered voters 50k. All the  sudden 12.5k voters register(25%). The registered population is now 62.5k. Simple enough for you?
     
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    In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : There is little in the Constitution about voting at all: it was initially left to the states to develop appropriate procedures.  I am sure we can develop a national identification card issued through the states to protect all interests.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Every Facist or socialist government for the last 100 years has made the same argument!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : Think of it this way. City of 100k. Loss of 10k to moves. Voter intrest in election. Registered voters 50k. All the  sudden 12.5k voters register(25%). The registered population is now 62.5k. Simple enough for you?
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]

    Except that wasn't quite the way it worked in Philly.  In October of 2008 there were 1.1 million people registered to vote in Philly.  Normally that wouldn't cause much concern but in that case, according to their own city-wide census records, there were slightly less than 1 million residents that were eligible to vote.  Once the numbers issue was raised they suddenly discovered 1,200 fradulent registrations and 58,000 duplicates.

    The same issue was raised in Indy where their voter registration numbers reached 105% of possible eligible voters.

    Most small towns would be thrilled with 100% of eligible voters actually registering.  For a major city to get there is nothing short of a miracle.  Exceeding 100% is nothing short of fraud.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : Every Facist or socialist government for the last 100 years has made the same argument!
    Posted by topaz978[/QUOTE]

    Paranoia makes bad policy.  And there is a huge difference between the political aims of fascists and socialists.  Combining the two is lazy thinking.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : In both the cited cases, having to show an ID at the polls would not have made a difference. The people were already on the voting list.  Next....  There is relatively little fraud in this country and it is disingenuous to argue that these bills being passed to require photo IDs are anything but an attempt to keep people from voting.
    Posted by jphound[/QUOTE]


    Facts, pleas, not conjecture.  Show an ID simply means that you are who you say you are.  It does not disenfranchise anyone.

    It is abundantly clear thatthe left not only depends on fraud in elections, but encourages it.

    http://blog.cityclix.net/are-illegal-immigrants-voting-in-the-united-states-elections/



     
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    [QUOTE]Republican Party executed a perfect sleight of hand by disenfranchising nearly 900,000 Ohio voters. In the most vicious and direct attack on voting rights since Bull Connor ran amok in the deep South, Ohio House Republicans passed HB 159 that requires Ohio voters to produce one of four state photo IDs at the polls. The only IDs that will be accepted in Ohio if this bill passes the overwhelming Republican State Senate are a U.S. passport, a U.S. military ID, an Ohio driver's license, or an Ohio state ID. This is the most restrictive standard in the nation. The Republican Party's target is obvious. Studies indicate that 25% of African Americans nationwide do not have a government-issued photo ID, 18% of voters over age 65 do not have a photo ID, and 15% of voters with incomes under $35,000 lack the ID as well. Besides going after blacks, the elderly and the poor, the bill also sets its sights on college students. What do these people have in common? They tend to vote Democratic. The Republicans refuse to discuss an amendment that would have accepted a college student ID with a photo from their own state-funded university, including The Ohio State University, one of the nation's largest institutions of higher education. Usually cautious critics like Dan Tokaji, Professor of Law at Ohio State's Moritz College of Law, offered dire assessments: "'Disenfranchisement' isn't a word to be used lightly. But it is necessary to capture this bill's purpose and impact. Passage of this bill would restore our state's unfortunate reputation as our nation's capital of vote suppression." http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ohio-Republicans-pass-new-by-Bob-Fitrakis-110324-483.html
    Posted by Kirk6[/QUOTE]
    How are they losing their right to vote? Because they have to show an ID?

    College ID shouldn't be allowed any way. A college student shouldn't be considered a citizen of the college town he lives in temporarily. If they choose to change their legal residence to that address, that is a different matter ad they will have a drivers license or something with that legal address on it.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 900,000 Ohio voters lose the right to vote : Facts, pleas, not conjecture.  Show an ID simply means that you are who you say you are.  It does not disenfranchise anyone. It is abundantly clear thatthe left not only depends on fraud in elections, but encourages it. http://blog.cityclix.net/are-illegal-immigrants-voting-in-the-united-states-elections/
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Just a dumb thing to say.  If something is "abundantly clear" to you if is fringe thinking for the rest of us.  Try this: It is abundantly clear that conservatives will stop at nothing to disenfranchise poor people.  Just as dumb.

     
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    Who ever said that rebublicans are going after the Blacks old and college kids. Rebublicans generally rely on the ederly as a significant part or there vote. Also somone who has no id probally A. is an illegal B. not paying taxes C. a criminal

    Why isnt every state currently doing this, is it becasue of all the MOONBATS out there 

     
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