Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States

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    Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States

    CCR Announces Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States
    No Immunity for Former Presidents Under Law

    GENEVA and NEW YORK - February 7 - Today, two torture victims were to have filed criminal complaints, with more than 2,500-pages of supporting material, in Geneva against former U.S. President George W. Bush, who was due to speak at an event there on 12 February. Swiss law requires the presence of the torturer on Swiss soil before a preliminary investigation can be opened. When Bush cancelled his trip to avoid prosecution, the human rights groups who prepared the complaints made it public and announced that the Bush Torture Indictment would be waiting wherever he travels next. The Indictment serves as the basis on which to prepare country-specific, plaintiff-specific indictments, with additional evidence and updated information. According to international law experts at the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the Berlin-based European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR), former presidents do not enjoy special immunity under the Convention Against Torture (CAT).

    "Waterboarding is torture, and Bush has admitted, without any sign of remorse, that he approved its use," said Katherine Gallagher, Senior Staff Attorney at CCR and Vice President of the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH). "The reach of the Convention Against Torture is wide - this case is prepared and will be waiting for him wherever he travels next. Torturers - even if they are former presidents of the United States - must be held to account and prosecuted. Impunity for Bush must end."

    While the U.S. has thus far failed to comply with its obligations under the Convention Against Torture to prosecute and punish those who commit torture, all other signatories, too, are obligated to prosecute or extradite for prosecution anyone present in their territory they have a reasonable basis for believing has committed torture. If the evidence warrants, as the Bush Torture Indictment contends it does, and the U.S. fails to request the extradition of Bush and others to face charges of torture there, CAT signatories must, under law, prosecute them for torture.

    In a statement this weekend, the groups who organized the complaints said, "Whatever Bush or his hosts say, we have no doubt he cancelled his trip to avoid our case. The message from civil society is clear - If you're a torturer, be careful in your travel plans."

    Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/02/07-0
     
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    Someday the truth will be known and justice rendered....
     
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    Despicable loons, terrorist sympathisers, enablers of mass murderers, you moonbats must be so proud!
    You seriously want to arrest the US President and put him in jail, for protecting our country. Patriots, all of you...NOT.

    The jihadists portray the West as being at war with Muslims in general. As part of this supposed religiously bigoted war, the jihadists claim that America routinely abuses and tortures innocent Muslims. In the jihadists' anti-American, anti-British propaganda, Binyam Mohamed (who plotted with senior al Qaeda terrorists to strike the American Homeland in 2002), and Moazzam Begg (who is an avowed jihadist and admitted to the FBI that he conspired with the Taliban and al Qaeda in a variety of ways) become victims.
    "One of the former Gitmo detainees who is profiting from his phony torture claims is Moazzam Begg. The U.S. government has investigated Begg’s claims four times – that’s right, four times. The DoD investigated his story three times. The Department of Justice’s Inspector General also investigated Begg’s claims as part of its comprehensive review of the FBI’s involvement in detainee operations around the world.

    What did they find? There is no evidence to substantiate any of Begg’s allegations. Moreover, Begg willingly signed an eight-page confession that detailed his Taliban and al Qaeda ties. (I reproduced the relevant excerpts from the inspector general’s report here.)

    Begg stands to receive a large payout from the UK government nonetheless.

    Binyam Mohamed is another one of the seven detainees who will reportedly be getting paid. Mohamed claims that his private parts were repeatedly sliced with a razor over an 18-month period while he was detained in Morocco. If this is true, then it certainly amounts to torture and it should be condemned in no uncertain terms.

    The problem is, there is no evidence that it is true, and the U.S. government’s medical records do not substantiate Mohamed’s story. Mohamed is represented by lawyers working for Reprieve, a radical British outfit that spreads anti-Gitmo, anti-American myths. Reprieve has repeatedly pushed Mohamed’s razor-torture story, forcing the U.S. to respond. You can read part of the U.S. response in a PDF document published on Reprieve’s website. Here, according to Reprieve, is what U.S. officials found:

    There is no evidence to support counsel’s claim that Mr. Mohamed’s genitalia were brutalized. Nothing abnormal about his genitalia is noted in any of his medical records. He received complete medical intake evaluations after he arrived in DoD control and upon arrival at Guantanamo. The doctors did not identify any scarring on his genitalia. He has never complained to doctors about his genitalia…

    Reprieve’s response is laughable. The organization did not dispute the U.S. government’s claim that there is no scarring on Mohamed’s genitalia.

     
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    [QUOTE]Despicable loons, terrorist sympathisers, enablers of mass murderers, you moonbats must be so proud! You seriously want to arrest the US President and put him in jail, for protecting our country. Patriots, all of you...NOT. The  Posted by BobinVa[/QUOTE]
    How did torture protect this country?Are YOU proud of Bush's torture policies?  
     
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    Mr BobinVa here is a quote for you. " These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of  America's founding fathers" - Ronald Reagan in 1985 as he introduced the Mujahdeen leaders in the White House. You ask who the Mujahdeen leaders are ? Well they are the Taliban who were fighting the USSR. In 1989 some of the Taliban formed Al Qaeda. Talk about your terrorist sympathizer. You copy somebody else's written work and you don't bother to understand what is written or bother to give them credit for writing it.  P.S. Bush can't leave the country without the threat of arrest for war crimes. Someday the INTERPOL commandos will kidnap him and place him under arrest.

     
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    Bush captured many enemy terrorists, and the scum are still alive and well. Many getting money and freebies from traitorous ACLU-types.

    President Obama treats them even worse, as the insects they are...he sends unmanned drones to shoot missiles to kill the same terrorist suspects and their families, and anyone else in the neighborhood...dead, without trial.....
    You want Obama arrested and kidnapped, too , right?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States : How did torture protect this country?Are YOU proud of Bush's torture policies?  
    Posted by AlleyCatBruin[/QUOTE]
    Only TWO of the worst mass murdering scum were given waterboarding, and they gave us valuable intelligence which saved thousands of Amercian lives.
    It was legal and it was not torture.
     Al Qaeda are trained to lie about torture, knowing brainless moron leftists in the US will slurp it up, like the fleabag dogs they are.

     
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    To BobinVa he let the biggest terrorist escape in the winter of 2001 at the Tora Bora area of the White Mountains in Afghanistan.
     
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    [QUOTE]...I'd say something more, but Skeeter will accuse me of an irrational hatred of Bush.  Either that or racism against a white Texan. .
    Posted by Ergoetal[/QUOTE]

    No, I'll just accuse you of being stuck in the past while ignoringthe present and future.  Oh, and an irrational hatred of Bush.  Come on.  The guy has been gone two years.  Give it up.
     
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    In Response to Re: Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States:
    [QUOTE]Bush captured many enemy terrorists, and the scum are still alive and well. Many getting money and freebies from traitorous ACLU-types. President Obama treats them even worse, as the insects they are...he sends unmanned drones to shoot missiles to kill the same terrorist suspects and their families, and anyone else in the neighborhood...dead, without trial..... You want Obama arrested and kidnapped, too , right?
    Posted by BobinVa[/QUOTE]

    ou will ver get the progressives to admit the truth, that Obama has become a clone of Bush when it comes to the war on terrorism.  The only thing you will get is silence.
     
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    Skeeter Obama conducts himself as a reasonable, competence president should  when it come to conducting a war; no swagger , no tough talk when somebody else's hide is in harm's way, he just does his job, which is keeping the country safe without seeking the spotlight i.e. no landing on carriers. He is also more than able to conduct the other businesses of the Presidency at the same time.
     
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    Skeeter I forgot one more thing. Here is a Bronx Cheer for you !
     
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    [QUOTE]Bush captured many enemy terrorists, and the scum are still alive and well. Many getting money and freebies from traitorous ACLU-types.  Posted by BobinVa[/QUOTE]

    Hey BobinVa, somewhere in Alaska, Crosshairs Sarah is looking at Russia from here back yard, dreaming of you:).......
     
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    In Response to Re: Bush Indictment for Convention Against Torture Signatory States:
    [QUOTE]Skeeter Obama conducts himself as a reasonable, competence president should  when it come to conducting a war; no swagger , no tough talk when somebody else's hide is in harm's way, he just does his job, which is keeping the country safe without seeking the spotlight i.e. no landing on carriers. He is also more than able to conduct the other businesses of the Presidency at the same time.
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]

    Obama has been dragged kicking and screaming to the idea of protecting the U.S., after a dismal failure in his apology tour.  Somehow I think someone is tellign him what to do, and he then pretends he knows what he is talking about.

    You are right about the swagger.  Not really important, but you are right.
     
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    [QUOTE]Skeeter I forgot one more thing. Here is a Bronx Cheer for you !
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]


    Thanks.  I'll treasure it always.
     
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    Skeeter I'm beginning to think that you do have a sense of humor. The last administration did a good job at protection. But the protecting was for  profits for the businesses of war not the citizens of this country or any other country.  If you think Bush did a good job of protecting us that is where your sense of humor comes into play.  Reaquaint yourself with the PDB memo 8/6/01 to Bush titled bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. .  That my friend is the definition of neglecting one's duty. There is no excuse. 3000 people died because of Bush's failure to act on that threat !Bronx Cheer !
     
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    [QUOTE]Mr BobinVa here is a quote for you. " These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of  America's founding fathers" - Ronald Reagan in 1985 as he introduced the Mujahdeen leaders in the White House. You ask who the Mujahdeen leaders are ? Well they are the Taliban who were fighting the USSR. In 1989 some of the Taliban formed Al Qaeda. Talk about your terrorist sympathizer. You copy somebody else's written work and you don't bother to understand what is written or bother to give them credit for writing it.  P.S. Bush can't leave the country without the threat of arrest for war crimes. Someday the INTERPOL commandos will kidnap him and place him under arrest.
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]
    Nice re-write of history! The Mujahideen were many different groups NONE of which was the Taliban. The Taliban was created AFTER the Soviets withdrew. The leaders he brought to the White House were mainly Northern Alliance. The Mujahideen took control of Afghanistan and fought the Taliban in the 90's. It was the Mujahideen that the Taliban defeated to take control in 1996.
    Al Qaeda is an Arab group who were created AFTER the Afghan war and welcomed by the Mujahideen (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) until the Soviets withdrew. Then the Arabs were asked to leave Afghanistan.
     
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    [QUOTE]Skeeter I'm beginning to think that you do have a sense of humor. The last administration did a good job at protection. But the protecting was for  profits for the businesses of war not the citizens of this country or any other country.  If you think Bush did a good job of protecting us that is where your sense of humor comes into play.  Reaquaint yourself with the PDB memo 8/6/01 to Bush titled bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. .  That my friend is the definition of neglecting one's duty. There is no excuse. 3000 people died because of Bush's failure to act on that threat !Bronx Cheer !
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]
    You are funny too! You write about a memo that proves Bush was negligent (did you read it?) but the memo says...
    We havenot been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [deleted text] service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar' Abd aI-Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.

    No one had a clue they would use the planes as missiles. What is also funny to me is the 9/11 attacks show clearly the failure in intelligence gathering in the US yet you all won't believe that same intelligence apparatus was wrong about WMD in Iraq! Really funny!
     
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    Wrong Brat,  brush up on  recent events of the U.S. after 1980 by scholars of history, my man. You are either lying or using selected hearing  when it comes to the truth about the US Intel having no warning of plots to use planes as weapons. Here is a name you should recall Zacarias Moussaoui.
     
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    [QUOTE]Skeeter I'm beginning to think that you do have a sense of humor. The last administration did a good job at protection. But the protecting was for  profits for the businesses of war not the citizens of this country or any other country.  If you think Bush did a good job of protecting us that is where your sense of humor comes into play.  Reaquaint yourself with the PDB memo 8/6/01 to Bush titled bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. .  That my friend is the definition of neglecting one's duty. There is no excuse. 3000 people died because of Bush's failure to act on that threat !Bronx Cheer !
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]

    You are just a hater.  Until you show me a document that tells us that we knew when and where and how bin laden was going to attack, you are just piling up goo at the feet of this argument and expecting us to say how brilliant.
     
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    [QUOTE]Despicable loons, terrorist sympathisers, enablers of mass murderers
    Posted by BobinVa[/QUOTE]

    Yeah! Take that! 

    Everyone knows George Washington and Jesus tortured babies for fun - about a half hour after tea.  Stop being such wusses!



    Pathetic armchair tough-guy. 
     
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    [QUOTE]and they gave us valuable intelligence which saved thousands of Amercian lives
    Posted by BobinVa[/QUOTE]

    Of course.  Because you aren't blindly swallowing whatever you are told in defense of torture.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wrong Brat,  brush up on  recent events of the U.S. after 1980 by scholars of history, my man. You are either lying or using selected hearing  when it comes to the truth about the US Intel having no warning of plots to use planes as weapons. Here is a name you should recall Zacarias Moussaoui.
    Posted by 8101956[/QUOTE]
    Wrong! You should read up on truth not truther BS. One office had the info and they couldn't pass it to the CIA or even other field offices because of the red tape and life long govt. hacks. That is why Bush tried to (unsuccessfully it appears) break down the walls and created DHS.
     
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    Brat if I read your second statement right in your last post are you trying to refer there was intel that middle easterners wanted to use planes as weapons. But in an earlier post that you wrote you said that nobody thought that terrorists wanted to use planes as weapons. What is it ? You can't have both ways ! 

     
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    Skeeter I noted a document. Pay attention ! Bronx Cheer !
     
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