Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

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    Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    My take is let them shout at walls. Laugh at them if bored.

    The very worst thing google could do is give them any appearance of undeserved legitimacy by going after them.

    (That sad, the bolded red paragraph is a lovely summary of truther activity)

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    Warning: This Site Contains Conspiracy Theories

    Does Google have a responsibility to help stop the spread of 9/11 denialism, anti-vaccine activism, and other fringe beliefs?

    n its early days, the Web was often imagined as a global clearinghouse—a new type of library, with the sum total of human knowledge always at our fingertips. That much has happened—but with a twist: In addition to borrowing existing items from its vast collections, we, the patrons, could also deposit our own books, pamphlets and other scribbles—with no or little quality control.

    Such democratization of information-gathering—when accompanied by smart institutional and technological arrangements—has been tremendously useful, giving us Wikipedia and Twitter. But it has also spawned thousands of sites that undermine scientific consensus, overturn well-established facts, and promote conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, the move toward social search may further insulate regular visitors to such sites; discovering even more links found by their equally paranoid friends will hardly enlighten them. Is it time for some kind of a quality control system?

    People who deny global warming, oppose the Darwinian account of evolution, refuse to see the causal link between HIV and AIDS, and think that 9/11 was an inside job have put the Internet to great use. Initially, the Internet helped them find and recruit like-minded individuals and promote events and petitions favorable to their causes. However, as so much of our public life has shifted online, they have branched out into manipulating search engines, editing Wikipedia entries, harassing scientists who oppose whatever pet theory they happen to believe in, and amassing digitized scraps of "evidence" that they proudly present to potential recruits.


    A new article in the medical journal Vaccine sheds light on the online practices of one such group—the global anti-vaccination movement, which is a loose coalition of rogue scientists, journalists, parents, and celebrities, who think that vaccines cause disorders like autism—a claim that has been thoroughly discredited by modern science.

    While the anti-vaccination movement itself is not new—religious concerns about vaccination date back to the early 18th century—the ease of self-publishing and search afforded by the Internet along with a growing skeptical stance towards scientific expertise—has given the anti-vaccination movement a significant boost. Thus, Jenny McCarthy, an actress who has become the public face of the anti-vaccination movement, boasts that much of her knowledge about the harms of vaccination comes from "the university of Google.” She regularly shares her "knowledge" about vaccination with her nearly half-million Twitter followers. This is the kind of online influence that Nobel Prize-winning scientists can only dream of; Richard Dawkins, perhaps the most famous working scientist, has only 300,000 Twitter followers.

    The Vaccine article contains a number of important insights. First, the anti-vaccination cohort likes to move the goal posts: As scientists debunked the link between autism and mercury (once present in some childhood inoculations but now found mainly in certain flu vaccines), most activists dropped their mercury theory and point instead to aluminum or said that kids received “too many too soon.” "Web 2.0 facilitated the debate of these new theories in public forums before their merits could be examined scientifically; when they were studied, the theories were not supported,” notes the Vaccine article.

    Second, it isn't clear whether scientists can "discredit" the movement's false claims at all: Its members are skeptical of what scientists have to say—not least because they suspect hidden connections between academia and pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccines. (This, in itself, is ironic: In 2006 the British investigative reporter Brian Deer revealed that Andrew Wakefield, the British scientist who famously “showed” the connection between vaccination and autism in a now-retracted 1998 article in the Lancet, was himself handsomely compensated by trial lawyers who were readying to sue the vaccine manufacturers.)

    In other words, mere exposure to the current state of the scientific consensus will not sway hard-core opponents of vaccination. They are too vested in upholding their contrarian theories; some have consulting and speaking gigs to lose while others simply enjoy a sense of belonging to a community, no matter how kooky.

    Thus, attempts to influence communities that embrace pseudoscience or conspiracy theories by having independent experts or, worse, government workers join them—the much-debated antidote of “cognitive infiltration” proposed by Cass Sunstein (who now heads the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the White House)—won't work. Besides, as the Vaccine study shows, blogs and forums associated with the anti-vaccination movement are aggressive censors, swiftly deleting any comments that tout the benefits of vaccination.

    What to do then? Well, perhaps, it's time to accept that many of these communities aren't going to lose core members regardless of how much science or evidence is poured on them. Instead, resources should go into thwarting their growth by targeting their potential—rather than existent—members.

    Today, anyone who searches for "is global warming real" or "risks of vaccination" or "who caused 9/11?" on Google or Bing is just a few clicks away from joining one of such communities. Given that censorship of search engines is not an appealing or even particularly viable option, what can be done to ensure that users are made aware that all the pseudoscientific advice they are likely to encounter may not be backed by science?

    The options aren't many. One is to train our browsers to flag information that may be suspicious or disputed. Thus, every time a claim like "vaccination leads to autism" appears in our browser, that sentence would be marked in red—perhaps, also accompanied by a pop-up window advising us to check a more authoritative source. The trick here is to come up with a database of disputed claims that itself would correspond to the latest consensus in modern science—a challenging goal that projects like “Dispute Finder” are tackling head on.

    The second—and not necessarily mutually exclusive—option is to nudge search engines to take more responsibility for their index and exercise a heavier curatorial control in presenting search results for issues like "global warming" or "vaccination." Google already has a list of search queries that send most traffic to sites that trade in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories; why not treat them differently than normal queries? Thus, whenever users are presented with search results that are likely to send them to sites run by pseudoscientists or conspiracy theorists, Google may simply display a huge red banner asking users to exercise caution and check a previously generated list of authoritative resources before making up their minds.

    In more than a dozen countries Google already does something similar for users who are searching for terms like "ways to die" or "suicidal thoughts" by placing a prominent red note urging them to call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. It may seem paternalistic, but this is the kind of nonintrusive paternalism that might be saving lives without interfering with the search results. Of course, such a move might trigger conspiracy theories of its own—e.g. is Google shilling for Big Pharma or for Al Gore?—but this is a risk worth taking as long as it can help thwart the growth of fringe movements.

    Unfortunately, Google's recent embrace of social search, whereby links shared by our friends on Google's own social network suddenly gain prominence in our search results, moves the company in the opposite direction. It's not unreasonable to think that denialists of global warming or benefits of vaccination are online friends with other denialists. As such, finding information that contradicts one's views would be even harder. This is one more reason for Google to atone for its sins and ensure that subjects dominated by pseudoscience and conspiracy theories are given a socially responsible curated treatment.

    This article arises from Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, the New America Foundation, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, visit the Future Tense blog and the Future Tense home page. You can also follow us on Twitter.

     

    http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/01/anti_vaccine_activists_9_11_deniers_and_google_s_social_search_.2.html

     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    Okay..I see your point for sure...and while I mostly agree with it...there's a small part of me that thinks internet search engines..like Google..have a duty to put disclaimers on information that is well..just plain wrong.  That being said..I understand the difficulty of policing it and the slippery slope involved.
    I guess at the end of the day, the personal responsibility of being sure you are properly informed has to count for something.
     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    Hey Punk....

    The opposite of TRUTH is LIES.....

    911 TRUTH:

    Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter.  U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).   Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology.  22-year Air Force career.  Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

    Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash.  It’s impossible.
     
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    Hey PUNK

    Here's another 911 Truther....vs 911 LIAR like YOU PUNK

    Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aeronautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT Pilot and Astronaut.  Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission).  Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy.  Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5).  Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project.  Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there.  Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998.  Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University.  Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

    An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) desperately needs to be created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead.
     
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    Another 911 Truther vs LIARS

    Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority.  Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College.  34-year Air Force career. Licensed commercial pilot.  Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.

    With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

    As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."   http://www.physics911.net
     
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    Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret)
    – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot.  Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program.  As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures.  Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis.  Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber).  3,000+ fighter hours.  Combat time over Iraq.  20-year Air Force career.
    • Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government.  It is now time to take our country back.
     
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    Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret)
    – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.  30-year Army career. Instructor, undergraduate and graduate courses in environmental science, environmental engineering, nuclear physics, emergency management. Staff physicist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for 19 years. Article 8/19/05:

    Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile.  And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." 

    • Speech The Science and Politics of 9/11 Conference, Madison, WI 8/5/07

      "When we blew up the World Trade Center - I want to repeat, that it was deliberately blown up. The aircraft definitely hit the sucker. There were definite explosions inside the thing. You talk to Willie Rodriguez, you talk to the police and the fire, my guys - no two ways about it. It's on the radio communications. Everything else out there. It happened. The Pentagon, same thing. No aircraft hit the Pentagon. Totally impossible! You couldn't make the turns with a 757. You couldn't fly it in over the highway. You couldn't fly it over the light poles. You couldn't even get it that close to the ground because of turbulence." http://www.snowshoefilms.com/filmmakersnb140.html


    • Speech The Science and Politics of 9/11 Conference, Madison, WI 8/5/07

      "When we blew up the World Trade Center - I want to repeat, that it was deliberately blown up. The aircraft definitely hit the sucker. There were definite explosions inside the thing. You talk to Willie Rodriguez, you talk to the police and the fire, my guys - no two ways about it. It's on the radio communications. Everything else out there. It happened. The Pentagon, same thing. No aircraft hit the Pentagon. Totally impossible! You couldn't make the turns with a 757. You couldn't fly it in over the highway. You couldn't fly it over the light poles. You couldn't even get it that close to the ground because of turbulence." http://www.snowshoefilms.com/filmmakersnb140.html
     
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    Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.  Retired commercial pilot.  Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years.  Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777.  30,000+ total hours flown.  Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).
    • Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's.  And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky.  I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."  http://americanbuddhist.net


    • Article 7/17/05:  "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple."
     
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    Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer
    • Statement to this website 9/19/06: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false.
     
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    Wayne Madsen – Former U.S. Navy Intelligence Officer, specialist in electronic surveillance and security.  Formerly assigned to the National Security Agency and the State Department.  Currently, investigative journalist, nationally distributed columnist, and author.  Senior Fellow, Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a non-partisan privacy public advocacy group in Washington, DC.  Frequent media commentator on terrorism and security matters.  Author of Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day (2008), Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates (2006), Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999 (1999), The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (1992).  Co-author of America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II (2006).
    • Speech 11/11/06 : "After five years of talking to many individuals in the intelligence community, in the military, foreign intelligence agencies, and a whole host of other people, people from the air traffic control community, the FAA, I came to the conclusion that after five years what we saw happen on that morning of September 11, 2001, was the result of a highly-compartmentalized covert operation to bring about a fascist coup in this country. ...
     
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    David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service.  Fellow of the American Physical Society.  Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997).  Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003).  Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005).  Winner of the 1993 N. F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers.  Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
    • Personal blog 1/5/07: "David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True:  This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and 7 were brought down by explosives.  [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories.  It would have been the tallest building in 33 states.  Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers.  However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."  Watch the collapse video here.  And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

      ... I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

      The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the "official" assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215).

      Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!" http://impactglassman
     
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    Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center.  Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden.  Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988).  Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986).  Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000.  Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers.  Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology.  37 year NASA career.
    • Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
      "The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]."  http://www.ae911truth.org
     
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    THOUSANDS MORE OF THESE 911 EXPERTS DEBUNK THE US GOVERNMENTS PREPOSTEROUS FAIRYTALE......

    Robert H. Waser, BS ME, MS ME, PE – Retired Research and Development Engineer, U.S. Naval Ordinance Lab. 33 year career, of which 15 years were as Chief Engineer of the laboratory's wind tunnel complex, which includes the world's largest hypervelocity wind tunnel.  Retired Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Maryland.
    • Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition: 
      "The 'official' 9/11 story seems to violate laws of physics and engineering analysis, specifically with respect to the collapse speed and the temperatures of molten iron.  The only explanation that seems to be in accordance with all observations is controlled demolition."  http://www.ae911truth.org
     
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    PLEASE WHATEVER YOU DO, ALWAYS GET ALL YOUR GOVERNMENT SPONSORED VACCINES!!!!

    It's the natural order of things. Those too stupid to know they shouldn't have mercury and aluminum injected into their bodies, are self culling themselves from the herd.

    Thank You.....The sooner you fools kill yourselves, the better off the rest of us will be.
     
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    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    Okay..I see your point for sure...and while I mostly agree with it...there's a small part of me that thinks internet search engines..like Google..have a duty to put disclaimers on information that is well..just plain wrong.  That being said..I understand the difficulty of policing it and the slippery slope involved. I guess at the end of the day, the personal responsibility of being sure you are properly informed has to count for something.
    Posted by miscricket


    The difficulty is who gets to decide what is true and what information is allowed to be disseminated. There is no slippery slope there, that's a plummet into the abyss.

    I get that the knee-jerk reaction to nitwits like our obsessive truther posters is to make them SHUT TF UP but that just proves to them in their own tiny minds that they're right, that there is some great conspiracy denying their right to spew.

    The only solution is to let everything get out there unfiltered and trust in the common sense of the vast majority of the population to sort it out.


     
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    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy! : The difficulty is who gets to decide what is true and what information is allowed to be disseminated. There is no slippery slope there, that's a plummet into the abyss. I get that the knee-jerk reaction to nitwits like our obsessive truther posters is to make them SHUT TF UP but that just proves to them in their own tiny minds that they're right, that there is some great conspiracy denying their right to spew. The only solution is to let everything get out there unfiltered and trust in the common sense of the vast majority of the population to sort it out.
    Posted by StalkingButler


    Exactly. I trust myself to cross-reference a lot more than I trust some guy at google to determine something isn't "true enough" for me to look at.

    A site like wikipedia is different, as they set themselves up as an organizer, reviewer, and presenter of contributed information. Google is a search engine. I want to be able to best find what I'm looking for without the engine telling me I shouldn't  be looking for it.




    But hey, at least this thread got our resident truther to focus his posts in one thread for a change....   
     
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    In Response to Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    My take is let them shout at walls. Laugh at them if bored. The very worst thing google could do is give them any appearance of undeserved legitimacy by going after them. (That sad, the bolded red paragraph is a lovely summary of truther activity) Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    So who decides which world view is legitimate?  There is science on both sides.  I guess you probably think we should have the scientists and researchers that you agree with decide.  Right? 
     
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    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    I guess you probably think we should have the scientists and researchers that you agree with decide.  Right? 
    Posted by GhostofLafeyette


    I guess you probably didn't read the post you responded to.
     
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    Google is in bed with the NSA and CIA. And so is Facebook.

    And they will do their bidding just like the US Media does.

    Facebook & Google are CIA Fronts

    There used to be a saying: ”No one makes a name for himself without giving something up”

    As a youngster, I was awed by people who ”made it to the top” by creating and innovating corporations, technologies, or simply establishing themselves through sports, music, entertainment, etc. thus becoming millionaires.

    Now as I have grown older, I realize how illusory this paradigm really is. I came to the conclusion that if you want to reach the ”top’,’ you have to give up your soul.

    Take Mark Zuckerberg for example. He is one of the most ”successful entrepreneurs” in the last decade. Having made a fortune through his Facebook empire, he reaches more than 500 million people worldwide. It seems like a fairytale. A student creates a new interface to connect the people throughout the world. Well, it sounds great doesn’t it? It would, if we were true.

    Here is a good video that demonstrates that Facebook was indirectly funded by the CIA with the goal of learning and storing everything there is to know about you. Why? To monitor and ultimately control.

    Again, the people have been totally duped by the Facebook-mania and can only see what they are told to see. As my friends say: ”It is to connect people and share information”. In the wake of the recent crisis in Egypt, we might add that Facebook has become not just a data-mining operation, but also a soft power proxy for crisis-creation.

    Let’s look at headlines that should cast no doubt about the true character of CIAbook:

    Facebook’s Zuckerberg Says The Age of Privacy is Over -

    Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg says privacy is no longer a ‘social norm’

    Facebook – the CIA conspiracy

    The Face of Facebook -  (Pay particular notice to the IMs that got leaked and confirmed to be true by the New Yorker)

    Facebook & Social Media: A Convenient Cover For Spying -

    US spies invest in internet monitoring technology – Quoted from this article: ”In an attempt to sift through the blizzard of information, the investment arm of the CIA, In-Q-Tel, has invested in a software firm that monitors social media.

    Nihilists of The World Unite: Wikileaks Is The “Cognitive Infiltration” Operation Demanded by Cass Sunstein -

    TIME Mag Person of the Year 2010 - This link is just a mere reminder of past history and the perversion of ”honoring”those who don’t deserve it. Would you like to share this front cover with Hitler, Stalin, Kissinger, etc.? I sure wouldn’t. Obviously Zuckerberg has done something ”great”. Just my 2 cents about this garbage.


    GOOGLE

    Google has come under scrutiny over its attempt to eliminate competing search engines and block ”controversial” sites and people, but the biggest controversy came over its alleged ties to the CIA and NSA.

    Google founders Sergey M. Brin and Lawrence E. Page are portrayed as average folks, Stanford University students, who teamed up to create a ”superior search engine”. Their attempt to do just that turned out to be so successful that they started to get funding from big players, for example Sun Microsystems. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Brin#Search_engine_development)

    It can be assumed that the CIA and NSA funded them as well. As in the above example of Facebook, don’t forget the Google scandal connected to China last year, where Google simply evaded censorship laws by moving to Hong Kong.

    The CIA might have used Google as a soft power proxy in China as well for destabilization operations. Here are a few issues that made the news regarding Google:

    Tarpley: US Gov uses Google proxy to attack China – (Vid)

    Google-NSA collaboration draws alarm -

    YouTube’s Parent Google is a Corporate Member of the Council on Foreign Relations -

    Ex-Agent: CIA Seed Money Helped Launch Google -

    The Google-NSA Alliance: Questions and Answers -

     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    But google chooses to list prisonplanet and other truthers cites.

    And you regularly post truther youtube videos here.



    So....uh......  hrm....
     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    Alex Jones Predicts 911 July 25th, 2001

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7kb9gl_T1s

    Nmaes Osama Bin Laden as fall guy.

     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy! : The difficulty is who gets to decide what is true and what information is allowed to be disseminated. There is no slippery slope there, that's a plummet into the abyss. I get that the knee-jerk reaction to nitwits like our obsessive truther posters is to make them SHUT TF UP but that just proves to them in their own tiny minds that they're right, that there is some great conspiracy denying their right to spew. The only solution is to let everything get out there unfiltered and trust in the common sense of the vast majority of the population to sort it out.
    Posted by StalkingButler


    Why worry? You sheeple are too afraid to look at anything that might destroy your fake little perception of reality.

    You and the rest of the herd, will just continue to deny reality by closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and howl, anytime you might be exposed to the truth.
     
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    In response to "Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!":
    But google chooses to list prisonplanet and other truthers cites. And you regularly post truther youtube videos here. So....uh......  hrm.... Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow
    One must be cognizant for there to be cognitive dissonance.
     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy! : The difficulty is who gets to decide what is true and what information is allowed to be disseminated. There is no slippery slope there, that's a plummet into the abyss. I get that the knee-jerk reaction to nitwits like our obsessive truther posters is to make them SHUT TF UP but that just proves to them in their own tiny minds that they're right, that there is some great conspiracy denying their right to spew. The only solution is to let everything get out there unfiltered and trust in the common sense of the vast majority of the population to sort it out.
    Posted by StalkingButler


    Okay..I see your point and I agree with you. I think most people ( at least the logically thinking ones) would agree. Case in point? I don't even read Howdoyoulikemenow's posts..I scroll right past them as I suspect others on this site do.
     
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    Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!

    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy!:
    In Response to Re: Google, please do not give truthers, anti-vaccine crusaders, and other loons undeserved legitimacy! : Okay..I see your point and I agree with you. I think most people ( at least the logically thinking ones) would agree. Case in point? I don't even read Howdoyoulikemenow's posts..I scroll right past them as I suspect others on this site do.
    Posted by miscricket


    Of course you scroll past my stories. That's what makes you a member of the herd.

    You are so completely ignorant of the facts it's stunning. You simply are a NWO Zombie who is scared shiite to think outside the propaganda.

    Instead of looking at the thousands of experts and massive evidence that 911 is a brutal hoax, you "scroll past the story" because you are scared to death of the truth.

    So, you cling to PROVEN LIES and end up screwing yourself and your family because you actually believe the lying bastards that are complicit in the coverup.

    That's what happens to gutless sheep that are terrified of the truth.

    Below are over three thousand of experts and victims family members you've never heard about and are too frughtened to want to know aboout.

    http://patriotsquestion911.com/

    You'd rather defend the brutal 911 killers than come to grips with the facts.

    GUTLESS COWARDS, ALL OF YOU.