Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    People have so many intelligent reasons for opposing Health Care Reform.  This is just one site gathering signatures with people posting their opinions and providing other links.

    http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?drop&ref=mb#/group.php?gid=170373348919&ref=mf
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Here's another link to a group started to protest AARP.  Again the comments and links are interesting...unless of course you discriminate on the basis of age.  Some non seniors like me post as well.

    http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#/group.php?gid=194608835134&ref=mf
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    No wonder Obama wants to control the internet.  So many people pop up opposing his agenda.  Love it.
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from scauma82. Show scauma82's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Sarah, can you provide one intelligent reason to oppose healthcare? and please be factual.
     
  5. This post has been removed.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from Mattyhorn. Show Mattyhorn's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons : The real problem is that these Pelosi/Reid lemmings have been programmed to believe that if you think public option is a bad idea, you are against reform altogether.  Thats patently absurd, and I'd be happy to provide a list of democrats who agree with me
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]

    The public option is a bad idea?  Under what circumstances? 

    ie, is it always a bad idea, or are there any possible positive applications for it?
     
  7. This post has been removed.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from scauma82. Show scauma82's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons : The real problem is that these Pelosi/Reid lemmings have been programmed to believe that if you think public option is a bad idea, you are against reform altogether.  Thats patently absurd, and I'd be happy to provide a list of democrats who agree with me
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]

    nothing is a bad idea, if you can back up your reasoning. i might've missed but i, still waiting for one.
     
  9. This post has been removed.

     
  10. This post has been removed.

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    I oppose this HC bill because it targets a group for rationing, which is not only evil, but will lead to disrespecting elders;2. I oppose this HC bill because it intrudes into my personal life and liberty and life and death decisions; and more.

    I have just posted seperate discussions with specifics from the HC bill.

    There is no HC crises.   We have a system that prolongs life and provides a quality life.  Of course it costs money...so does a college education...and property taxes or a home....the HC costs are in line with the costs of those things as well.

    This is nothing more than a power grab by the Dems trying to redistribute wealth for those that simply don't want to pay for their HC or don't want to take responsibilty for themselves.  We have a safety net and I support it...its called Medicaid for those who really can't afford to pay....we provide free care in ERs.

    This bill actually allows 27 year olds to stay on their Mommy and Daddy's insurance....can you imagine young health people being so pathetic that they would  want others to pay their way even though it resulted in pulling the plug on granny?  These are evil people.
     
  12. This post has been removed.

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from scauma82. Show scauma82's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]I oppose this HC bill because it targets a group for rationing, which is not only evil, but will lead to disrespecting elders;2. I oppose this HC bill because it intrudes into my personal life and liberty and life and death decisions; and more. I have just posted seperate discussions with specifics from the HC bill. There is no HC crises.   We have a system that prolongs life and provides a quality life.  Of course it costs money...so does a college education...and property taxes or a home....the HC costs are in line with the costs of those things as well. This is nothing more than a power grab by the Dems trying to redistribute wealth for those that simply don't want to pay for their HC or don't want to take responsibilty for themselves.  We have a safety net and I support it...its called Medicaid for those who really can't afford to pay....we provide free care in ERs. This bill actually allows 27 year olds to stay on their Mommy and Daddy's insurance....can you imagine young health people being so pathetic that they would  want others to pay their way even though it resulted in pulling the plug on granny?  These are evil people.
    Posted by sarah84[/QUOTE]

    1. please backup your assertion that a group will be trageted for rationing, and again, be factual.
    2. do you work now? my understanding is if you get HC through your employer, that won't change.

    everything else you said is conjecture and not supported by facts. we have the highest healthcare costs in the world, please use facts.
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from fmblodgett. Show fmblodgett's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Remember the space shuttle catastrophes.  Remember New Orleans before and after Katrina.  Remember the BIG DIG. These are just 3 well run government projects.  NO THANKS TO THAT KIND OF HEALTH CARE.
     
  15. This post has been removed.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ltown1. Show Ltown1's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]I oppose this HC bill because it targets a group for rationing, which is not only evil, but will lead to disrespecting elders;2. I oppose this HC bill because it intrudes into my personal life and liberty and life and death decisions; and more. I have just posted seperate discussions with specifics from the HC bill. There is no HC crises.   We have a system that prolongs life and provides a quality life.  Of course it costs money...so does a college education...and property taxes or a home....the HC costs are in line with the costs of those things as well. This is nothing more than a power grab by the Dems trying to redistribute wealth for those that simply don't want to pay for their HC or don't want to take responsibilty for themselves.  We have a safety net and I support it...its called Medicaid for those who really can't afford to pay....we provide free care in ERs. This bill actually allows 27 year olds to stay on their Mommy and Daddy's insurance....can you imagine young health people being so pathetic that they would  want others to pay their way even though it resulted in pulling the plug on granny?  These are evil people.
    Posted by sarah84[/QUOTE]

    You're against rationing?   That's  a hoax that has been disproven so many times that it's tiring to even have to deal with morons like you.

    I can't get a H1N1 flu shot because I'm not high risk.  My HMO is RATIONING shots for babies 6 months and under and children with asthma.

    Nothing you say makes sense Sarah84.  You've never made an intelligent post on this board.  You post facebook fan statistics as if it's a real barometer of something, when recent polls show that %70 of the country don't think she's qualified to be president. 

    She's just selling books and being paid to speak.  She's Limbaugh without the talent to hold down a talk show.  She's bill O'Reilly without a TV show.  She's Glenn Beck but with less emotion.  

    She's a baffoon.  She's irrelevant.   She's out to make money off of idiots who really feel as thought she'd be good for anything but a BJ.
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    1.I have already posted multiple links to the sections of the bill that ration the elderly.  The House bill cuts 500 billion from Medicare...the elderly and disabled....and the reimbursement rate to doctors and hospitals will be cut to below 60 cents on the dollar....if you don't follow the news, you deserve what you get...to fund HC to those who want others to pay for their HC...including 27 year olds who need to stay on their parents policies..... 

    Follow the links provided in this thread, as well as the information provided in two other threads.  I will be posting more.  However, you have to have a modicum of intelligence  and self reliance to keep up.

    2.  If this bill passes, the gov't will set rules regarding effective treatment and what is acceptable insurance plans.  There is no assurance that the plan that you are on will be deemed acceptable, or the allow coverage that you want will be deemed 'effective' by the gov't....maybe you missed the debate on mammograms as an example... You have no choice but to sign up for a gov't sanctioned plan even if you prefer something else.....Are you that confused that you don't understand that a private company may not be given the gov't stamp of approval, may be forced by the gov't not to offer certain services etc, or that an employer may simply stop offering HC?\

    3. If you can't understand that there is a difference between a private company  offering coverage, and your right to shop around and find a different company, and the government mandating that treatments won't be covered, maybe you need a nanny state and socialism.   I don't.   I can take care of me and I like to be free.  

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Check out the links.

    BTW, I don't know anyone who has been denied care by their insurance company and I know many who have been given complicated treatments.  I don't know anyone who is unhappy with the HC system and want it reformed.

    I feel sorry for those who aren't unhappy, but I don't want a system that works well for the majority ruined because of those who are unhappy with it.

    When my family lost its health insurance, we dealt with it, so I know its possible...and security comes from self reliance..

    Everything is expensive.  Some want others to pay for them.  I suggest that they give up stuff....internet, cars, etc to pay for  their HC insurance until they find a better job etc....that is exactly what I would do.

    I don't believe there is a crises....and I think the days of  10 cent bread or 100 dollar college are long gone.....HC is no more expensive than anything else in today's world.  You should be free to make your own choices...there is a safety net in place...if you want it and don't make a lot of money yet, maybe you have to give up some luxuries and work harder.

    This HC bill is about a power grab.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ltown1. Show Ltown1's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]Check out the links. BTW, I don't know anyone who has been denied care by their insurance company and I know many who have been given complicated treatments.  I don't know anyone who is unhappy with the HC system and want it reformed. I feel sorry for those who aren't unhappy, but I don't want a system that works well for the majority ruined because of those who are unhappy with it. When my family lost its health insurance, we dealt with it, so I know its possible...and security comes from self reliance.. Everything is expensive.  Some want others to pay for them.  I suggest that they give up stuff....internet, cars, etc to pay for  their HC insurance until they find a better job etc....that is exactly what I would do. I don't believe there is a crises....and I think the days of  10 cent bread or 100 dollar college are long gone.....HC is no more expensive than anything else in today's world.  You should be free to make your own choices...there is a safety net in place...if you want it and don't make a lot of money yet, maybe you have to give up some luxuries and work harder. This HC bill is about a power grab.
    Posted by sarah84[/QUOTE]

    You live in a bubble.

    You're an idiot.   you really are dumb.  You constantly spread mis-information. 
    Ignorance like yours is what is destroying this country.


     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from sarah84. Show sarah84's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Bump.  Check out the links.  These are just a few of the grass roots sites that have emerged in opposition to the HC bill.  If you read the posts you will find many links with more opposition.

    These are American citizens rising up against a take over of 1/6 of the economy and intrusion  into and control of thier individual rights. 
    \
     On the other side you have people who simply want others to pay for them and power hungry elected officials.

    Enjoy.
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ltown1. Show Ltown1's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Dear Friend, This is probably one of the longest emails I’ve ever sent, but it could be the most important. Across the country we are seeing vigorous debate about health insurance reform. Unfortunately, some of the old tactics we know so well are back — even the viral emails that fly unchecked and under the radar, spreading all sorts of lies and distortions. As President Obama said at the town hall in New Hampshire, “where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed.” So let’s start a chain email of our own. At the end of my email, you’ll find a lot of information about health insurance reform, distilled into 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage, 8 common myths about reform and 8 reasons we need health insurance reform now. Right now, someone you know probably has a question about reform that could be answered by what’s below. So what are you waiting for? Forward this email. Thanks, David David Axelrod Senior Adviser to the President P.S. We launched www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck this week to knock down the rumors and lies that are floating around the internet. You can find the information below, and much more, there. For example, we've just added a video of Nancy-Ann DeParle from our Health Reform Office tackling a viral email head on. Check it out: Health Insurance Reform Reality Check 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage 1. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history. 2. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses. 3. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics. 4. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill. 5. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender. 6. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive. 7. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26. 8. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick. Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/ 8 common myths about health insurance reform 1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies. 2. We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis. 3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions. 4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans. 5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average. 6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors. 7. You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them. 8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make. Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq 8 Reasons We Need Health Insurance Reform Now 1. Coverage Denied to Millions: A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults – 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market – were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years or dropped from coverage when they became seriously ill. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/denied_coverage/index.html 2. Less Care for More Costs: With each passing year, Americans are paying more for health care coverage. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have nearly doubled since 2000, a rate three times faster than wages. In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680, nearly the annual earnings of a full-time minimum wage job. Americans pay more than ever for health insurance, but get less coverage. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hiddencosts/index.html 3. Roadblocks to Care for Women: Women’s reproductive health requires more regular contact with health care providers, including yearly pap smears, mammograms, and obstetric care. Women are also more likely to report fair or poor health than men (9.5% versus 9.0%). While rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are similar to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from headaches and are more likely to experience joint, back or neck pain. These chronic conditions often require regular and frequent treatment and follow-up care. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/women/index.html 4. Hard Times in the Heartland: Throughout rural America, there are nearly 50 million people who face challenges in accessing health care. The past several decades have consistently shown higher rates of poverty, mortality, uninsurance, and limited access to a primary health care provider in rural areas. With the recent economic downturn, there is potential for an increase in many of the health disparities and access concerns that are already elevated in rural communities. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hardtimes 5. Small Businesses Struggle to Provide Health Coverage: Nearly one-third of the uninsured – 13 million people – are employees of firms with less than 100 workers. From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. Much of this decline stems from small business. The percentage of small businesses offering coverage dropped from 68% to 59%, while large firms held stable at 99%. About a third of such workers in firms with fewer than 50 employees obtain insurance through a spouse. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/helpbottomline 6. The Tragedies are Personal: Half of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly the result of medical expenses. The typical elderly couple may have to save nearly $300,000 to pay for health costs not covered by Medicare alone. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction 7. Diminishing Access to Care: From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. An estimated 87 million people - one in every three Americans under the age of 65 - were uninsured at some point in 2007 and 2008. More than 80% of the uninsured are in working families. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction/diminishing/index.html 8. The Trends are Troubling: Without reform, health care costs will continue to skyrocket unabated, putting unbearable strain on families, businesses, and state and federal government budgets. Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance - projections suggest that this number will rise to about 72 million in 2040 in the absence of reform. Learn more: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/assets/documents/CEA_Health_Care_Report.pdf Visit WhiteHouse.gov
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ltown1. Show Ltown1's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    A few links for you to read Sarah.
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from hawkeye01. Show hawkeye01's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons : You live in a bubble. You're an idiot.   you really are dumb.  You constantly spread mis-information.  Ignorance like yours is what is destroying this country.
    Posted by Ltown1[/QUOTE]

    And yet you keep arguing with her!
     
  24. This post has been removed.

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ltown1. Show Ltown1's posts

    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    I'm not a man now?  Because I work to correct the misinformation that is posted on this board everyday?

    Cheifhowie!!      Yipppppppeeeeeeeeeeee~!!!!!!

     

Share