Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    To be fair, they both were insulting each other. It's a common occurence on these forums. Not just them, or limited to the political forums either.
     
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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    What an honest president would say about Health Care...by Robert Reich (know who that is folks?)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7Y0TOBuG4

    http://www.docs4patientcare.org/

    By a democrat:  What HC will do to my insurance
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574527493169603118.html

    Note these are by Democrats and a doctors group.  Be back with more.

     
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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    Confessions of an Obamacare backer:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574522680235765894.html?mod=djemEditorialPage#printMode

    The goal " "it's important to be clear about what the reform amounts to."

    "The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind."

    Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" and furthering the Democrats' "political calculus." In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run.

     
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    Health Care Rationing Commission
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703792304574504020025055040.html

    What the Pelosi bill really says
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519671055918380.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r3:c0.0724454:b28759115

    Reading guide to Pelois bill
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=165774888892&id=6726182861&ref=mf

    fact check
    http://www.gop.gov/blog/09/10/29/fact-check-and-details-about

    THROWING GRANNY UNDER THE BUS
    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDE3YTk1YWI5YTgxMTUyYzU0YmEwZjkyM2ExNGQ5YWQ=

    Daughter saves 80 yo mother left to starve
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6869646.ece

    What gives them the right to  put a price on my life?
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-gives-them-the-right-to-put-a-price-on-my-life/article1346720/

    And more to come.
     
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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    I'll give you a chance to read these and view these before I post more.  I have a great article from the Washington Post (hardly a conservative publication) admitting that seniors care will be limited and cut.


     
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    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons : I kinda liked Obama's idea that it would be an option for < 5% of us.  Of course there is nothing in congress anywhere NEAR what the president proposed, but thats dems for ya. Beyond that, always.  The rationale goes something like this: These people can't run trains without losing billions and you want to give them an economic sector?  PUT THE CRACKPIPE DOWN!!!. Ok?
    Posted by GreginMeffa[/QUOTE]


    Want an idea of what you can do with that pipe?

    Seriously, why is this so hard to talk about without getting bull(s)hite in return?  Your rationale is faulty, because it pre-supposes a complete takeover, which is NOT the case in either bill.

    Just a few years ago, we had the largest expansion of government into the medical industry in history with Medicare Part D  - with no direct funding of any kind - due to the precipitous rise of prescription drug prices.  This cost over a trillion dollars - more than either HC bill in Congress.  This was a government entitlement program - a handout, if you will.  And it proved to be a boon for Big Pharma.

    So, if it's important enough to do for prescription drugs and when the Republicans were in charge, how is it suddenly so much less important now given the state of Medicare and the vast numbers of uninsured Americans??
     
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    Matty,

    You're wise enough to know that this bill is NOT static. Besides ridden with non HC pork items.. the immediate goal is to get foot in door. It will grow in cost and scope.

    Kind regards
     
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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons : Want an idea of what you can do with that pipe? Seriously, why is this so hard to talk about without getting bull(s)hite in return?  Your rationale is faulty, because it pre-supposes a complete takeover, which is NOT the case in either bill. Just a few years ago, we had the largest expansion of government into the medical industry in history with Medicare Part D  - with no direct funding of any kind - due to the precipitous rise of prescription drug prices.  This cost over a trillion dollars - more than either HC bill in Congress.  This was a government entitlement program - a handout, if you will.  And it proved to be a boon for Big Pharma. So, if it's important enough to do for prescription drugs and when the Republicans were in charge, how is it suddenly so much less important now given the state of Medicare and the vast numbers of uninsured Americans??
    Posted by Mattyhorn[/QUOTE]

    "because it pre-supposes a complete takeover, which is NOT the case in either bill"

    Very true. There isn't anything in the bill in regards to complete takeover. Absolutely correct. However, if you don't think this isn't the road to complete takeover then you (respectfully) just don't get it. It will happen. No question about it.
     
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    Oh, my God.  You were expecting them to write:  "we want to completely take over 1/6 of the economy and the entire HC system"...ha ha ha.

    I bet you looked for a sign that said 'evil empire'.

    The intent of the bill is to take over the entire health system.  Read the  links.  You will only be able to and will have to buy government sanctioned Health Insurance...what is covered and what is considered effective treatment will be decreed by the gov't not you and your doctor.  If you don't sign up and pay about a 1/3 of your income, you will be fined and could face jail/prison.

    If you can't follow, I am sorry.  That is why people are upset about the new suggestions regarding mamos...these limitations will forced on Americans while, at the same time, they will be forced to pay for abortions, even if they object to them as murder.
     
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    Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons

    In Response to Re: Here's a LInk to one of the many online protests of Health Care Reform; read the reasons:
    [QUOTE]Oh, my God.  You were expecting them to write:  "we want to completely take over 1/6 of the economy and the entire HC system"...ha ha ha. I bet you looked for a sign that said 'evil empire'. The intent of the bill is to take over the entire health system.  Read the  links.  You will only be able to and will have to buy government sanctioned Health Insurance...what is covered and what is considered effective treatment will be decreed by the gov't not you and your doctor.  If you don't sign up and pay about a 1/3 of your income, you will be fined and could face jail/prison. If you can't follow, I am sorry.  That is why people are upset about the new suggestions regarding mamos...these limitations will forced on Americans while, at the same time, they will be forced to pay for abortions, even if they object to them as murder.
    Posted by sarah84[/QUOTE]

    Wow.  Throw the kitchen sink at the situation.   Just a wee bit hysterical I think.  Are you aware that other countries are able to cover all their people and at a cheaper overall cost than us?  No one goes to prison there and no one goes bankrupt from unpaid medical bills or dies because of lack of insurance.   Gee, do you think we could learn from others?  And that issue about mamograms is coming up under our private insurance system, the same system that has announced they are jacking up their rates yet again with the New Year.   Don't worry be happy... just don't get too sick.
     

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