I can feel it coming in the air.....

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    I can feel it coming in the air.....

    In recent weeks there is definitely a sense that something is in the wind. While the media is not giving it a whole lot of coverage...American citizens are beginning to take to the streets- first in NYC ( the Wall St. protestors) and now in Chicago, Boston, and LA.
    A group called the 99..is talking to anyone who will listen about how the average American is sick and tired of the corporate elite one percent..making the rules for the rest of us. More importantly..this group is talking about how the average American citizen is sick and tired of politicians that are essentially bought and paid for by this corporate elite.
    For sure..there are a number of people in Congress who are there for the "greater good"..but those few are far outweighed by the politicians who are beholden to special interests...and increasingly..special interests have become the big money people and not the socially driven groups.

    If I had to guess what the catalyst is for the birth of this unrest..I would say there could be a few things over the past few months. The dismal manner in which the debt ceiling debate played out in August was probably the last straw with the average American as far as faith in their government. This was probably the greatest example of absurd political theatre in recent memory.Couple that with the most recent "game" over disaster relief funding...then it is easy to see why the ratings for Congress are at an all time low.

    In addition to the harmful and negative effect of all the government bickering..Bank of America now comes along and says they are going to start charging customers to use their debit cards..another fee..another slap at the average consumer..this coming from the same bank who encouraged debit card use by charging customers a fee to use the teller window. It seems corporate America and our government will stop at nothing to part the average American from their money.
    The protests on the street are good..they say that people are angry and have passion and may finally be willing to take action. A better way would be for the Bank of America customers to follow the example of the millions of Netflix customers..who dropped their accounts when Netflix recently announced that they were doubling their rates...forcing a mea culpa from the company.
    The average American needs to know they have choices..that they don't have to just gather in the street..that they can vote and protest with their wallets.  Sometimes actions speak much louder than words..and generally speaking..a person will only allow themselves to be treated like garbage for so long before they finally reach the point where they take action. I have a feeling that we are seeing the beginning of this on a national level.
     
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    Could not agree more.
    The ONLY thing BOA will notice is fewer customers.

    Thanks bwarney Fwank ... you tool !
     
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    I have watched them on TV and read about them.  I fail to see what is so great about this supposed "grass roots" movement.  You get a few Soros-backed organization to camp out in financial districts, smoking weed and complaining about lack of jobs, lack of money, and lack of anyone treating them with respect. In one of the videos,  saw a protester playing his $3,000 Martin guitar, complaining about not having a job.  I'd sure like to sit outside and play a $3,000 guitar and complain about how no one gives me what I think I deserve, but, instead, I become part of the solution.

    Well, how about they do what the rest of us do?  Pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and get a job?

    I'm done with them, and their cause is a fraud.  Time for these post adolescents to grow up.
     
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    In recent weeks there is definitely a sense that something is in the wind. While the media is not giving it a whole lot of coverage...American citizens are beginning to take to the streets- first in NYC ( the Wall St. protestors) and now in Chicago, Boston, and LA. A group called the 99..is talking to anyone who will listen about how the average American is sick and tired of the corporate elite one percent..making the rules for the rest of us. More importantly..this group is talking about how the average American citizen is sick and tired of politicians that are essentially bought and paid for by this corporate elite. For sure..there are a number of people in Congress who are there for the "greater good"..but those few are far outweighed by the politicians who are beholden to special interests...and increasingly..special interests have become the big money people and not the socially driven groups. If I had to guess what the catalyst is for the birth of this unrest..I would say there could be a few things over the past few months. The dismal manner in which the debt ceiling debate played out in August was probably the last straw with the average American as far as faith in their government. This was probably the greatest example of absurd political theatre in recent memory.Couple that with the most recent "game" over disaster relief funding...then it is easy to see why the ratings for Congress are at an all time low. In addition to the harmful and negative effect of all the government bickering..Bank of America now comes along and says they are going to start charging customers to use their debit cards..another fee..another slap at the average consumer..this coming from the same bank who encouraged debit card use by charging customers a fee to use the teller window. It seems corporate America and our government will stop at nothing to part the average American from their money. The protests on the street are good..they say that people are angry and have passion and may finally be willing to take action. A better way would be for the Bank of America customers to follow the example of the millions of Netflix customers..who dropped their accounts when Netflix recently announced that they were doubling their rates...forcing a mea culpa from the company. The average American needs to know they have choices..that they don't have to just gather in the street..that they can vote and protest with their wallets.  Sometimes actions speak much louder than words..and generally speaking..a person will only allow themselves to be treated like garbage for so long before they finally reach the point where they take action. I have a feeling that we are seeing the beginning of this on a national level.
    Posted by miscricket

    As always, a well written and thoughtful post by miscricket. The response from our rightwing pals was also predictable......
     
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    Bank of America now comes along and says they are going to start charging customers to use their debit cards..another fee..another slap at the average consumer..this coming from the same bank who encouraged debit card use by charging customers a fee to use the teller window. 
    Posted by miscricket
    Yes, this one really takes the cake.  When we are all advised to keep credit card debt down and spend money in "real time" to avoid being charged interest, this is a slap in the face.  I got my debit card when they were promoting it, rewarding it, giving us an incentive to use it ... now this?   
    Good points.  

     
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    Very simple,  only use your BOA debit card at BOA ATMs to withdraw money,  otherwise don't use your debit card and you won't be charged.  Use your credit card for everyday purchases and pay off the balance  every month,  often you get cash rewards for doing this.
     
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    Very simple,  only use your BOA debit card at BOA ATMs to withdraw money,  otherwise don't use your debit card and you won't be charged.  Use your credit card for everyday purchases and pay off the balance  every month,  often you get cash rewards for doing this.


    Exactly. That's what I do. Credit card for bigger purchases and cash for smaller purchases. I've never used my debit card. I pay my balance off every month. I think the last time I carried a balance was over a decade ago. And I get cash rewards for using my credit card.
     
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    The average American needs to know they have choices


    You mean like using cash instead of their debit card???
     
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    Debit cards used to have rewards, too.  I got 5% back.  That's how I got hooked into using mine a few years ago.   Same as cash, but with a reward, and no bill to pay like a credit card.   It was great.  Far preferable to a credit card, at least for the way I used it.

    But to now pay a fee?  Of course I'll adjust, I won't pay a fee to use a debit card, but they are a great pay option for some of us and it's too bad there will now be a fee for their use.   
     
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    In Response to I can feel it coming in the air..... : As always, a well written and thoughtful post by miscricket. The response from our rightwing pals was also predictable......
    Posted by AlleyCatBruin



    Right.

    I also think it was well written, I just disagree.

    you know, for being so "progressive" your mind is awfully closed.
     
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    So, the cost for using debit cards previously has been charged to the merchants that have accepted them as a form of payment. The merchants, of course, added this cost to the price of the mechandise the we purchased to pay for it. Then a new law came around embedded in the Dodd/Frank bill (inserted by Dick Durban) that cut in half the fees that could be charged to the merchants. The banks are now looking to recoup this lost revenue by charging the customers directly. This is an obvious consequence to forcing the banks to do business differently. By the way, I haven't noticed any decrease in prices to compensate us for the new fees that we have to pay. So, Dick Durban created a new law forcing the banks to change hoe they collect fees and the merchants that formerly paid those fees are pocketing those funds that they once had to pay out. But it's all the fault of the BANKSTERS! Got it.
     
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    Thank you very much Sen. Dodd, Congressman Frank and Sen. Durbin.

    or as they are known, Moe, Larry, and Curly.
     
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    I have watched them on TV and read about them.  I fail to see what is so great about this supposed "grass roots" movement.  You get a few Soros-backed organization to camp out in financial districts, smoking weed and complaining about lack of jobs, lack of money, and lack of anyone treating them with respect. In one of the videos,  saw a protester playing his $3,000 Martin guitar, complaining about not having a job.  I'd sure like to sit outside and play a $3,000 guitar and complain about how no one gives me what I think I deserve, but, instead, I become part of the solution. Well, how about they do what the rest of us do?  Pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and get a job? I'm done with them, and their cause is a fraud.  Time for these post adolescents to grow up.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Skeeter..your response is naive. How do you suggest that these people "pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job" in this economy..look around you..there are not enough jobs to go around..no matter how hard one tries. Slow improvement to be sure..but this movement is not about jobs..it's about a bailout that benefited the rich and not the middle class...it's about the vast number of corporations shipping jobs oversees to pay a little less and increase their profits..it's about a government whose policies not only make this possible..but encourage it..and it's about a government that can't even agree on a debt ceiling or disaster relief. People are upset with government in general...people are tired of policies that benefit the one percent of the population who bought and paid for same politicians.
    Most importantly..no matter who is doing the organizing...people are fed up enough to take to the streets...this is for sure..something that politicians should take note of.
     
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    The average American needs to know they have choices You mean like using cash instead of their debit card???
    Posted by WhichOnesPink


    Yes..that's one choice..they could also choose a different financial institution. The bottom line is that people have choices. They can choose not to accept poor treatment in general.
     
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    In Response to Re: I can feel it coming in the air..... : Skeeter..your response is naive. How do you suggest that these people "pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job" in this economy..look around you..there are not enough jobs to go around..no matter how hard one tries. Slow improvement to be sure..but this movement is not about jobs..it's about a bailout that benefited the rich and not the middle class...it's about the vast number of corporations shipping jobs oversees to pay a little less and increase their profits..it's about a government whose policies not only make this possible..but encourage it..and it's about a government that can't even agree on a debt ceiling or disaster relief. People are upset with government in general...people are tired of policies that benefit the one percent of the population who bought and paid for same politicians. Most importantly..no matter who is doing the organizing...people are fed up enough to take to the streets...this is for sure..something that politicians should take note of.
    Posted by miscricket


    Naive?  As naive as expecting someone else to do it for them?  Who's naive here?

    I reject your notion that these occupiers represent the 99%.  That thought is repulsive. 

    They are the 1%, the 1% that won't do for themselves, and expect "the government" to do for them.

    When on Earth are you liberals going to stop blaming others for your own darn problems?
     
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    In Response to Re: I can feel it coming in the air..... : Skeeter..your response is naive. How do you suggest that these people "pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job" in this economy..look around you..there are not enough jobs to go around..no matter how hard one tries. Slow improvement to be sure..but this movement is not about jobs..it's about a bailout that benefited the rich and not the middle class...it's about the vast number of corporations shipping jobs oversees to pay a little less and increase their profits..it's about a government whose policies not only make this possible..but encourage it..and it's about a government that can't even agree on a debt ceiling or disaster relief. People are upset with government in general...people are tired of policies that benefit the one percent of the population who bought and paid for same politicians. Most importantly..no matter who is doing the organizing...people are fed up enough to take to the streets...this is for sure..something that politicians should take note of.
    Posted by miscricket


    Hi miscricket. It's funny how we can see the same problem but have very different solutions for it. We both see a bailout that benefitted the rich (I would add "and politically connected") and a disfunctional government but I see it as a problem with too much government. See, if the government were limited in the way that the constitution intended it to be there would be no bailouts because the government wouldn't have the power to bail anyone out. Nor would there be a debt limit problem because the government would be spending much less money. The economy would go it's normal up and down cycles with little to no intervention from the government and the down cycles would be brief. Quasi-government institutions like fanny Mae and Freddie Mac would not be the source of massive corrupttion and economic ruin because they wouldn't exist. Social engineering experiments would not destroy entire generations of our inner city citizens because they wouldn't exist. I could go on and on :-) Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those looney libertarian types. I don't want government to disappear. I just think that if we abide by the spirit of the constitution we, as a country, will be far better off.
     
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    I'm down with the protesters and God Bless America.  It is indeed their right. But I've yet to get an answer to, "What do you want to happen to fix this, and how?"
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    I fail to see an articulate message emerging.  If it is about government bailouts and the like, OK, I agree.

    However, when Van Jones, unions with a track record of violence, Soros backed Socialist fronts, I see a pre-formed group that is being manipulated by Obama supporters towards a government-solution end.   At what point do you admit that these protests are not grass roots, but manufactured?

    Somehow I am finding it hard to believe that people that can't find their way to a job somehow find their way to all these financial districts to protest.

    Final point:  As these protest turn violent (not if, there is a reason the unions are being injected here), is the destruction and injury cause here on the heads of the progressives who have been calling for Greek-like protests?

    I thought the left was better than this, but apparently not.
     
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    If it is about government bailouts and the like, OK, I agree


    And if it is then they're no different than the tea party....oopsie!
     
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    If it is about government bailouts and the like, OK, I agree And if it is then they're no different than the tea party....oopsie!
    Posted by WhichOnesPink


    Let me know when:

    a) they articulate that.

    b) use the political process to address.

    What you have are layabouts, and professional agitators astroturfing, whining about jobs as far as I can tell.  You are like every other democrat:  going through the political process is too tough and too failure prone, so you resort to childish tantrums.

    Oh, and the difference between the TEA party and this group:  THE TEA PARTY PAYS TAXES!!!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: I can feel it coming in the air..... : Let me know when: a) they articulate that. b) use the political process to address. What you have are layabouts, and professional agitators astroturfing, whining about jobs as far as I can tell.  You are like every other democrat:  going through the political process is too tough and too failure prone, so you resort to childish tantrums. Oh, and the difference between the TEA party and this group:  THE TEA PARTY PAYS TAXES!!!!!!
    Posted by skeeter20

    What are you basing it on? So...let me just get this straight..it's okay for Tea Partiers to protest against government and TARP...but it is not okay for average middle and lower class people to protest against corporate America's purchase of their government? So activism is only okay when you agree with the position? I may not agree with everything the protesters are saying..and to be sure there are fringe troublemakers..much like there are in the teaparty..but the protesters are in the streets giving voice to what 88 percent of Americans are feeling right now. I would not assume that these are people without jobs. Many are low wage workers and college students.
     
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    In Response to Re: I can feel it coming in the air..... : What are you basing it on? So...let me just get this straight..it's okay for Tea Partiers to protest against government and TARP...but it is not okay for average middle and lower class people to protest against corporate America's purchase of their government? So activism is only okay when you agree with the position? I may not agree with everything the protesters are saying..and to be sure there are fringe troublemakers..much like there are in the teaparty..but the protesters are in the streets giving voice to what 88 percent of Americans are feeling right now. I would not assume that these are people without jobs. Many are low wage workers and college students.
    Posted by miscricket


    Based on the video I am seeing on the news and internet.

    You are deluded if you think these are average middle class people complaining.  What I see in the video are spoiled little brats who need mommy for everything.  what woudl you say the average age there is?  24?  I had already logged 8 years of full time work, some of it not pretty.

    Glad to see the 99 is down to 88.  Still What the heck is their message?  Other than to tear down the capitalist system, a sophomoric and lazy thought process.

    TEA parties didn't pizz and crahp outside, occupy spaces illegally, and attack police.  These bums don't have anything in common with the TEA PArty.
     
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    What we feel in the air is the 99 Movement spreading like wildfire !
     
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    What we feel in the air is the 99 Movement spreading like wildfire !
    Posted by Sistersledge


    I thought it was down to 88.  Oh, well.

    Astroturfing for the 2012 Obama campaign.  That's what you feel in the air.
     
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    skeeter, of course these young patriots have something in common with the tea party, they are Americans too and have the right to be seen and heard.

    By the time I was 21 years old had I seen and done things that would make you sick !

    By the time I was 24 years old I was working full time and taking 5 courses at UMASS on the GI Bill.

    By the time I was 26 years old my brothers and I had purchased our third three deckers.

    Age is nothing but a number. It's timing and luck that separates the men from the boys !

     
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