Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

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    Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

    An Assault, Cloaked in Peace


    Washington

    PEACE activists are people who demonstrate nonviolently for peaceful co-existence and human rights. The mob that assaulted Israeli special forces on the deck of the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara on Monday was not motivated by peace. On the contrary, the religious extremists embedded among those on board were paid and equipped to attack Israelis — both by their own hands as well as by aiding Hamas — and to destroy any hope of peace.

    Millions have already seen the Al Jazeera broadcast showing these “activists” chanting “Khaibar! Khaibar!”— a reference to a Muslim massacre of Jews in the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century. YouTube viewers saw Israeli troops, armed with crowd-dispersing paintball guns and side arms for emergency protection, being beaten and hurled over the railings of the ship by attackers wielding iron bars.

    What the videos don’t show, however, are several curious aspects Israeli authorities are now investigating. First, about 100 of those detained from the boats were carrying immense sums in their pockets — nearly a million euros in total. Second, Israel discovered spent bullet cartridges on the Mavi Marmara that are of a caliber not used by the Israeli commandos, some of whom suffered gunshot wounds. Also found on the boat were propaganda clips showing passengers “injured” by Israeli forces; these videos, however, were filmed during daylight, hours before the nighttime operation occurred.

    The investigations of all this evidence will be transparent, in accordance with Israel’s security needs.

    There is little doubt as to the real purpose of the Mavi Marmara’s voyage — not to deliver humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza, but to create a provocation that would put international pressure on Israel to drop the Gaza embargo, and thus allow the flow of seaborne military supplies to Hamas. Just as Hamas gunmen hide behind civilians in Gaza, so, too, do their sponsors cower behind shipments of seemingly innocent aid.

    This is why the organizers of the flotilla repeatedly rejected Israeli offers to transfer its cargo to Gaza once it was inspected for military contraband. They also rebuffed an Israeli request to earmark some aid packages for Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier held hostage by Hamas for four years.

    In the recent past, Israeli forces have diverted nine such flotillas, all without incident, and peacefully boarded five of the ships in this week’s convoy. Their cargoes, after proper inspection, were delivered to non-Hamas institutions in Gaza. Only the Marmara, a vessel too large to be neutralized by technical means such as fouling the propeller, violently resisted. It is no coincidence that the ship was dispatched by Insani Yardim Vakfi (also called the I.H.H.), a supposed charity that Israeli and other intelligence services have linked to Islamic extremists.

    The real intent of breaking the embargo is to allow rockets to be transported to Gaza from Hamas’s suppliers in Syria and Iran. Israel has already intercepted several such ships laden with munitions. Since Israel’s disengagement from Gaza in 2005, Hamas has fired more than 10,000 rockets and mortars at our civilian population. This week, two Hamas rockets exploded near Ashkelon, one of Israel’s largest cities.

    Israel has a right and a duty to defend itself from Hamas and its backers. Our struggle is not with the people of Gaza but only with the radical regime that overthrew the legitimate Palestinian Authority and has pledged to seek Israel’s destruction. Each day, Israel facilitates the passage into Gaza of more than 100 truckloads of food and medicine — there is no shortage of either. We, too, want a free Gaza — a Gaza liberated from brutal Hamas rule — as well as an Israel freed from terrorist threats.

    Israel will scrupulously review the events surrounding the Marmara’s interception. But Israel will also persist in denying advanced weaponry to Hamas. At the same time, the Israeli government will vigorously pursue peace with the Palestinian Authority, which shares our need for defense against armed extremists. The real peace activists are those who support our vision of a two-state solution, not those supporting the terrorists bent on destroying it.

    Michael B. Oren is Israel’s ambassador to the United States.

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/opinion/03oren.html



    But of course, truthers don't believe that terrorists exist....  unless they're part of a government conspiracy that was leaked only to Alex Jones...
     
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    Something tells me all the people posting to the 7 threads the Globe featured on their front page over the past 4 days don't want to know.   I'm not holding my breath waiting for BDC to feature a front page story on the facts.  I'm not holding my breath waiting for a parade downtown with all the people who posted hate hopping on one leg because they have a foot in their mouths.
     
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    Wow, an Israeli diplomat is defending the Israeli actions.  Case closed.  I hadn't heard about the gunshot wounded Israeli commandos though.  I'm sure that will prove to be accurate.  Maybe someone can provide some actual evidence that these terrorist activists shot the commandos.  Hmm, I wonder how some of the commandos that shot and killed nine people could have been wounded??  I'm sure it wasn't friendly fire though - I wonder how long Israel will wait to bring forth the evidence that they were fired upon?  That will surely end the controversy.  Maybe they're just waiting for the right moment.     
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : Where does the automatic suspicion come from? Ohhhhh...BDC name created on 5/13/10...  a few posts since then...and according profile, all are pro-truther.... and support posts under Sheep's new BDC name....  I F*CKING WONDER.... Man you're bad at the Alex Jones game.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    Keep wondering idiot.  WRONG AGAIN.  Just another truth seeker.  WE are everywhere though.  But no response on the subject? 
     
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    You are eveywhere.  But we all know there's only one "you".
     
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    Ha ha.

    Idiot.
     
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    You jackasss. Alex Jones is actually a political athiest on this topic. He says both sides have points. I happen not to agree with him.

    The ZioNAZIS brutalize the Palestinians and are trying to starve them to death. What would YOU do if that happened to you, kiss the feet of the scum that was doing it to you?
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100603/cm_csm/305744



    Hamas, Israel, and the Gaza flotilla: seven facts you need to know

    Fact 1: The Gaza Strip is an armed camp, ruled with an iron fist by a repressive Hamas regime that has not only repeatedly pledged itself to the annihilation of Israel and the torpedoing of any prospects for Middle East peace, but has made good on its pledges by firing approximately 10,000 missiles, rockets, and mortar bombs at Israeli civilians over the past several years for the express purpose of killing or wounding those civilians or, at a minimum, terrifying them.


    Fact 2: The United States, the European Union, and the international community have recognized that Hamas is a terrorist enterprise, which surely is beyond dispute.

    Fact 3: When faced with an armed enemy committed to its destruction, which has done its very best to make war against Israeli civilians, Israel has two choices: to try to protect its civilians from those attacks, or to simply shrug its shoulders and hope that the attacks stop. There is, quite simply, no nation on earth that would choose the latter course, and no reasonable and fair-minded person who would expect it to.


    Fact 4: In an effort to stop the missiles from being manufactured and used against it, and only for that reason, Israel has been forced to try to keep the materials used for that purpose out of the Gaza Strip. This is an obvious step needed to prevent the kind of war that caused so much destruction in 2008, when the increase in attacks by Hamas and its allies against Israeli civilians eventually triggered an Israeli response to stop them. There can be no real doubt that Israel is entitled to keep weapons of war from being used against it.


    Fact 5: Israel repeatedly, and expressly, made clear to those who organized the effort to break the embargo that it would willingly take all of the humanitarian aid that was on their boats and transfer it to Gaza, without delay. All that Israel wanted was to be able to ensure that materials were, in fact, humanitarian aid, rather than the sorts of materials used for launching attacks that are supplied to Hamas by the Iranians and others. The organizers of the flotilla refused – because, of course, getting humanitarian aid to Gaza was not what their gambit was really about.


    Fact 6: Israel regularly provides humanitarian aid to Gaza, and volunteering to get the humanitarian aid from the ships to Gaza was consistent with Israeli policy all along.


    And Fact 7, which is now coming to light several days after the initial and predictable barrage of criticism of Israel: Those on at least one of the ships planned all along to attack Israelis when they sought to enforce the embargo, and indeed, their attack on the Israelis was brutal.

     
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    And more...

    http://www.slate.com/id/2256008/

    The Final Abandonment of GazaRadicals and terrorists have far more patience than the international community.



    In January 2009, when smoke was hanging over the Gaza Strip and Israeli soldiers were in the middle of Operation Cast Lead, U.N. Security Council Resolution No. 1860 was adopted, calling upon member states "to intensify efforts to provide arrangements and guarantees in Gaza in order to sustain a durable ceasefire and calm, including to prevent illicit trafficking in arms and ammunition." It was a reasonable resolution: If you want to have "ceasefire and calm," you need to make sure that no arms will be smuggled into Gaza. Reasonable—but with no subsequent action. That is, except for the actions taken by Israel and Egypt.

    With events in the Middle East moving rapidly, with political landscapes shifting week to week, few observers care to remember how the situation in Gaza came about and why. Since 2007, the policy of the International Quartet has been to isolate the government that controls Gaza after Hamas forces ousted the forces loyal to the official representative of Palestinians from the Strip in a coup. An ugly and violent coup. "In five days of intense fighting," reported Der Spiegel, a respectable European publication, "Hamas wrested political control over the 1.4 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip. Fatah's troops offered surprisingly little resistance. By the end of [the] week, victorious Hamas fighters were driving [a Fatah leader's] few remaining men half-naked through the streets, before executing them in the desert."

    So, there were very good reasons for isolating Hamas and attempting to contain the Gaza Strip. True, the government in charge of Gaza is a headache for Israel. But it is no less of a nuisance to the legitimate representative of the Palestinians—the Palestinian Authority, headed by Mahmoud Abbas. Those who want to strengthen the parties of peace have a choice to make: Recognizing Hamas would signal that the Palestinian Authority could no longer claim to represent the people of Gaza. It would signal that the world is willing to work with a bully, with a group refusing to commit—even rhetorically—to the cause of peace, that it has given up on a better life for the Palestinians of Gaza.

    And the world has, indeed, given up on them. Masquerading as peace activists, wanting to do something about Palestinian suffering without always knowing how, the flotillas of naiveté and malice have set sail. "Insofar as they were bringing food and medicine to Gaza, they were humanitarians; but insofar as they were striking a blow for the government of Gaza, they were anti-humanitarians," wrote Leon Wieseltier in a New Republic article that was generally critical of Israel's actions. Wieseltier identified the dangerous island of isolated self-pity in which Israelis now reside. Enumerating the justifications for this self-pity, he refers to the "leaders, states, organizations, and peoples whose hostility to the Jewish state is irrational and absolute and in some cases murderous"—but he forgets to count a no-less-important reason for this sense of isolation: the international community's dangerous impatience and unreliability.

    Yes, hostility toward Israel played a role in the festival of criticism that followed the bloody raid on the blockade-defying flotilla earlier this week. But no less problematic was the show of untrustworthiness on the part of leaders, states, and organizations. Not even the United States, generally mellow in its response to the raid, could resist the temptation to define the situation in Gaza as "unacceptable and unsustainable." Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared that "we have to deal with the situation in Gaza in a way that both protects Israel's legitimate security interests and fulfills the needs of the people of Gaza." That suggests the likely outcome of the flotilla affair will be that Israel's security needs will be met, but less vigorously, and the "people of Gaza" will be abandoned. They will get more aid, more food and supplies, maybe some roads and buildings will be repaired—but abandoned they will be. Destined to be ruled by the ruthless and undemocratic Hamas regime without the international community's protests or objections.

    In October 2006, Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal was interviewed by the BBC. "People who want their freedom, the liberation of their land, self-determination, independence and getting rid of the occupation," he said, "must be patient." You can easily find hundreds of similar statements, thousands of calls for "patience" from the heads of Arab terrorist movements. "This war will not shake us. … [W]e will face it through patience and self-confidence," Hassan Nasrallah of Lebanon's Hezbollah declared at the beginning of this year. For Nasrallah, patience has already proved valuable. Having survived the 2006 war with Israel and the consequent U.N. resolution that called for the "disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon," he now has more arms than ever—arms that, according to the State Department, "can only have a destabilizing effect on the region and would pose an immediate threat to both the security of Israel and the sovereignty of Lebanon."

    All he had to do was to accept Edmund Burke's view that "patience will achieve more than force." He just had to wait for the world to tire of the belief that "the future of Lebanon is very important," as former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice once put it. To be ready to accept, de facto or de jure, the presence, the influence, and the power of Hezbollah in Lebanon. Is that a nuisance for Israel? Indeed it is. But as in the case of Gaza, it is first and foremost an abandonment of the people of Lebanon—those wanting to live in the "strong, independent, and democratic Lebanon" that President Barack Obama claimed to support. The people who come on ships, who confront the Israeli blockade, who supposedly believe in a better life for the people of Gaza—a better life that they deserve—are signaling to Hamas that with a little more patience, their first goal will be achieved: Hamas' rule in Gaza will be legitimized and Hamas' government will receive aid, material support, visits from world dignitaries, and invitations to attend summits and gatherings. And the world's condemnation of Israel, rather than its cooperation in preventing the convoys of defiance, signals to Israel that international patience has run out—again—much faster than the radicals' patience. Hence the smiles on the faces of Hamas supporters, hence Israel's supposed despair and indifference "about what anybody thinks."



     
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    Whatisn't - Second, Israel discovered spent bullet cartridges on the Mavi Marmara that are of a caliber not used by the Israeli commandos, some of whom suffered gunshot wounds.

    Have those gunshot wounded Israeli commandos recovered after being shot by the terrorists?  Or was the Israeli Ambassador just mistaken?  Great article though.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : Where does the automatic suspicion come from? Ohhhhh...BDC name created on 5/13/10...  a few posts since then...and according profile, all are pro-truther.... and support posts under Sheep's new BDC name....  I F*CKING WONDER.... Man you're bad at the Alex Jones game.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    Hey jerkov, this guy is way too nice with slime like you, to be me.

    The ZioNAZI slime's motto is "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"

    For anyone, who believes anything, the ZioNAZIS say, I have a bridge to sell you.


     
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    Have those gunshot wounded Israeli commandos recovered after being shot by the terrorists?
    Posted by porcupinepatriot22


    I pray that they have.

    One of the few things worse than being shot is being shot by someone manufacturing a confrontation in order to support the illegal rule of the terrorist organization Hamas.



     
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    In Response to Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : This is fascinating.   Imagine the determination of these extreemists.  Never mind just sneaking over the border or stowing away on a fishing boat, they are so sneaky that they go out and buy millions of dollars in food and medical supplies and then try to slip past Israeli navy ships who are enforcing an embargo.   What koolaid are you drinking?     The israeli army fired on peace activists who were trying to bring in supplies to help the starving and dying population of Gaza.   End of story.   
    Posted by Ltown1


    What coolaid am I drinking?  Talk about some f*cking irony.

    First of all, why the blockade?  Because Israel had been fired on for decades.  Tens of thousands of men, women, children, were murdered or crippled by suicide bombers.

    When the organization responsible for all this took over Palestinian "government" by force and celebrated by flying its flags over burning synagogues and chanting "death to Israel!," Israel took the logical step of blockading the area in which they reside.


    Second, what the blockade?  The blockade is like airport security.  Any ships that want to bring aid merely had to submit to inspection.


    Third, what the aid?  You say they gathered millions of dollars in food and medical supplies for the Palestinians.  Is that why they told the army not to deliver the goods post-inspection?  Israel was ready and willing to deliver them using its own  equipment? 

    (Did the peace loving Palestinians think that aid was corrupted once Jewish hands touched it, or have some other thoroughly tolerant and peace-loving theory about it?).

    Fourth, what the confront?  You admit the tried to "try to slip past Israeli navy ships who are enforcing an embargo."  Well if what they did is buy food for aid, why try to slip past the blockade.

    Fifth, your coolaid:  You say the Israelis opened fire on unsuspecting peace lovers.  You forget that first the peace lovers attacked the Israeli soldiers and threw at least one overboard.    And then the media went to lengths like cropping photos to cut out evidence that the peace lovers were armed.

    Sixth, starvation?  I suppose you are wilfully blind to the fact that the reason the Palestinians are suffering in Gaza is that Hamas has been diverting supplies, etc? 


    I haven't been more disgusted with Democrats than when I saw their reaction to this.  You have to be blind to see this as anything other than a successful publicity stunt for Hamas. They deliberately engaged in behavior that they knew would lead to a confrontation (running a blockade and attacking the boarding soldiers).

    But what about the videos they had supposedly showing the Israelis attacking first?  You know, the ones that were filmed in the daytime?  When the raid happened during the night? Or maybe the massive amounts of cash some of the passengers were carrying?  Their weapons?  Etc etc etc.

    Nono, must be the evil Israelis just picking on Palestinians.
     
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    All I can say is it's a great thing Turkey didn't follow through on its threat to provide a military escort to the Carrie (named after the woman who lay down in front of a bulldozer before the bad thing that can happen when you do that happened) in order to do a second run at the blockade - I suppose the resulting war would of course be Israel's fault.  For trying to enforce a perfectly reasonable blockade to prevent its citizens from gaetting mssacred by peace lovers.
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : It's not a reasonable blockade.    The residents of Gaza live without hospitals, schools, roads or running water.   They whole population pays for the actions of some extreemists? I don't defend Hamas or their hatred of Israel.  That doesn't mean I will unilaterally support all of Israel's actions either.   Two wrongs don't make a right. The peace activists are passionate.  When Israel borded their ship, they responded in anger.  There were no weapons on board, they had already been inspected twice.    The israeli soldiers fired on unarmed peace activists who were trying to bring food and medical supplies to a starving population. Things aren't always black and white are you like to paint them.  Most often in conflicts, both sides commit crimes and both sides are guilty of aggravating an a situation that is already at it's boiling point.   Israel used too much force.    Period.  
    Posted by Ltown1


    The fact that they are peace activists does not excuse an angry response.  It actually makes it more morally blameworthy.

    You say that the ship was already inspected.  Was in inspected by Israel? 

    There aren't many other contemporary analogies, but let's try this hypothetical:  The U.S. government operates an airport in Afghanistan.  A group of Afghanis from a Taliban-dominated area also known to be frequented by Al Queda members want to do the U.S. a favor.  So, they set up a security checkpoint designed to make sure that people don't bring weapons onto the plane and/or bombs into the U.S.  However, their checkpoint operates on a highway 100 miles away from the airport.

    The U.S. announces that it will screen all passengers attempting to board any airplane, regardless of whether they were already screened at the Taliban-friendly checkpoint 100 miles away from the airport


    Was the United States:
    (a) Stupid
    (b) Smart







    The whole complaint is ridiculous.  Israel wants to stop weapons from being smuggled to Gaza.  So it inspects all ships heading to Gaza.  When a ship tries to sneak past a blockade, it's really suspicious.  Just like if I try to sneak around airport security before getting on a plane. 

    You're saying that we should continue to see those people as peace-loving, and not as Hamas supporters looking to drum up a propoganda stunt, when (1) they dodged an inspectoin, (2) they had weapons, (3) they attacked Israeli soldiers when they boarded, (4) they refused to allow Israel to deliver the goods to Gaza at its expense?


    (4) should take care of it alone.  If you are genuinely interested in feeding starving Palestinians, you DO NOT withhold the food for the reason that Israel wanted to look at it. 

    That was not humanitarian aid.  Period.  How can you persist in this view? 
     
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    And of course, peace lovers concerned about suffering would never refuse to mark at least one package for an Israeli soldier who has been held hostage by people the peace lovers want to help out, right?  Right?

     Or is that more justified anger by peace lovers?  Kind of like the rioters in Canada were justifiably mad at corporations, so they destroyed a bunch of individual's cars?

     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : The fact that they are peace activists does not excuse an angry response.  It actually makes it more morally blameworthy. You say that the ship was already inspected.  Was in inspected by Israel?  There aren't many other contemporary analogies, but let's try this hypothetical:  The U.S. government operates an airport in Afghanistan.  A group of Afghanis from a Taliban-dominated area also known to be frequented by Al Queda members want to do the U.S. a favor.  So, they set up a security checkpoint designed to make sure that people don't bring weapons onto the plane and/or bombs into the U.S.  However, their checkpoint operates on a highway 100 miles away from the airport. The U.S. announces that it will screen all passengers attempting to board any airplane, regardless of whether they were already screened at the Taliban-friendly checkpoint 100 miles away from the airport Was the United States: (a) Stupid (b) Smart The whole complaint is ridiculous.  Israel wants to stop weapons from being smuggled to Gaza.  So it inspects all ships heading to Gaza.  When a ship tries to sneak past a blockade, it's really suspicious .  Just like if I try to sneak around airport security before getting on a plane.  You're saying that we should continue to see those people as peace-loving, and not as Hamas supporters looking to drum up a propoganda stunt, when (1) they dodged an inspectoin, (2) they had weapons, (3) they attacked Israeli soldiers when they boarded, (4) they refused to allow Israel to deliver the goods to Gaza at its expense? (4) should take care of it alone.  If you are genuinely interested in feeding starving Palestinians, you DO NOT withhold the food for the reason that Israel wanted to look at it.  That was not humanitarian aid.  Period.  How can you persist in this view? 
    Posted by WhatIsItNow



    Here is an analogy,

    I'm a peace loving hippy activist who is staging a sit in.   The police come up and try to forcefully remove me from my location.  I get angry that they are disrupting my protest and I throw a punch ( I'm not justifying this action ).  

    The cop gets mad at me and shoots me.



    That's pretty much what happened on the ship.   A bunch of hippies threw a hissy fit and the "well trained" Israeli commandos decided to pull out their m16's and start shooting people.   

    Cooler heads should have prevailed. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged):
    ZioNAZI indicates you are looking at both sides of the equation quite clearly.
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    You couldn't be more correct, my gutless friend. YOU and the rest of the sheep, bathe in ZioNAZI propaganda that is in complete control of the US media and refuse to even click links to information that destroys the little "Matrix" they've created for the herd.

    Are you EVER going to comment about the fact that the majority of Republican Congressmen now think the war is illegal and immoral, or are you going to run like a little girl for the rest of your life?
     
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    And of course, peace lovers concerned about suffering would never refuse to mark at least one package for an Israeli soldier who has been held hostage by people the peace lovers want to help out, right?  Right?  Or is that more justified anger by peace lovers?  Kind of like the rioters in Canada were justifiably mad at corporations, so they destroyed a bunch of individual's cars?
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    "Kind of like the rioters in Canada were justifiably mad at corporations, so they destroyed a bunch of individual's cars?"

    It was the cops posing as "anarchists" that did all the damage asssshole. They were caught on video AGAIN.

    They do this at EVERY G8 & G20 meeting, but hardons like you have your head up your assss and believe the blatant lies and propganda.

    WATCH AT 0:45.....all the plainclothes people running in that pack, and being let behind the line, are cops--including the black-clad 'anarchist ...
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : I pray that they have. One of the few things worse than being shot is being shot by someone manufacturing a confrontation in order to support the illegal rule of the terrorist organization Hamas.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    So are you agreeing with the articles assertion that the commandos were shot by the activists?  I ask because this would end the debate on the force used by Israel.  Or is this just more lies from Israel.  Maybe it's Alex Jones' fault.
     
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    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : Here is an analogy, I'm a peace loving hippy activist who is staging a sit in.   The police come up and try to forcefully remove me from my location.  I get angry that they are disrupting my protest and I throw a punch ( I'm not justifying this action ).   The cop gets mad at me and shoots me. That's pretty much what happened on the ship.   A bunch of hippies threw a hissy fit and the "well trained" Israeli commandos decided to pull out their m16's and start shooting people.    Cooler heads should have prevailed. 
    Posted by Ltown1


    ROFL.  That's your analogy?  You're talking about some other event.

     Let me fix it for you:


    You are among 600 people who want to fight nuclear power because you think it will destroy the earth.  Many of you have knives, clubs, and other weapons.  Some guns.  The lot of you tresspass on a nuclear power plant by sneaking under/over fences behind some building or other.  You saw signs saying anyone on the premises will be arrested well before entering the premises.

    Two police cruisers approach with lights flashing.  Nine cops exist the cruisers and approach.  Immediately, the 600 person crowd attacks the cops, and one cop is throw over a fence and down a short, 15 foot cliff.  Some cops are on the ground, bloodied, being beaten.  One opens fire, killing 6 in the crowd.





    yeah see it's a world of difference between one protestor punching one cop, and 600 peace activists attacking 9 soldiers.  When you're attacked by 600 people, a gun is the least powerful weapon that you can expect to use to defend youself with successfully.



    Of course in my analogy, I'm leaving out all the evidence that the peace activists intended a violent confrontation all along. 

    Again: Why did the Palestinians refuse to allow Israel to deliver the food and medicine? 
    Why  all the weaponry?
    Why the immediate attack?
    Why the forged videos (of a daylight 'attack' when it happened at night)?
    Why Turkey's fortunately-reversed announced intention to immediately sent military vessels to accompany a second activist ship, to purposefully run the blockade again?



     
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    Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

    They're weren't 600 crew members on the  boat and they weren't armed.  


    Apparently Israeli commando's are afraid of hippy slaps.


    Excessive force was used.  It's been condemned unilaterally by every other nation on earth. 

    Why even waste your energy on this?
     
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    Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged):
    They're weren't 600 crew members on the  boat and they weren't armed.   Apparently Israeli commando's are afraid of hippy slaps. Excessive force was used.  It's been condemned unilaterally by every other nation on earth.  Why even waste your energy on this?
    Posted by Ltown1


    "Why even waste your energy on this?"

    Because you lied about the facts to support your attack on Israel.
     
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    Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged):
    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged) : "Why even waste your energy on this?" Because you lied about the facts to support your attack on Israel.
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    Just like this Isreali Diplomat lied.  But its not a lie when its a jew - it's just defense from the anti-semites.
     
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    Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged)

    In Response to Re: Israeli Diplomat's Op-Ed (contradicts Lord Alex Jones, Usurper of Sanity, Oracle of the Deranged):
    And of course, peace lovers concerned about suffering would never refuse to mark at least one package for an Israeli soldier who has been held hostage by people the peace lovers want to help out, right?  Right?  Or is that more justified anger by peace lovers?  Kind of like the rioters in Canada were justifiably mad at corporations, so they destroyed a bunch of individual's cars?
    Posted by WhatIsItNow


    Bottom line, Israel is trying to keep weapons from flowing into the hands of terrorists. Anyone who has been to Israel understands how serious this threat is for the Israelis. They were right to board the ship. Whether they acted appropriated should be investigated, but the video evidence suggests peoples on the ship were far from peace loving, they were clearly hitting the soldiers with blunt objects. In any police action in the US that would warrant lethal force. I think if the video evidence is correct, then they acted as they should have.

     
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