Liberals and Mammography

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    Liberals and Mammography

    Today's WSJ

    Rationing? What rationing?

     

    The flap over breast cancer screening has provided a fascinating insight into the political future of ObamaCare. Specifically, the political left supports such medical rationing even as it disavows that any such thing is happening.

    No sooner had the Health and Human Services Department's U.S. Preventative Services Task Force recommended against mammography for women under 50 than Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rushed to say don't worry. The decision had "caused a great deal of confusion and worry among women," she said, promising that no policies would change. New Jersey's Frank Pallone vowed to hold hearings, and Senator Dick Durbin leveled the gravest charge Democrats can make: The task force was "appointed by President Bush."

    The political duck-and-cover was also on display in that vanguard of ObamaCare known as the New York Times, which ran at least four much-ado-about-nothing items even as it endorsed the reduced screening. On the same day as an editorial and op-ed, a front-page "news analysis" lectured that what the public really needs is "a transformational shift in thinking" about the "evidence-based" medical future that the mammogram decision portends. Yes, and no doubt the Times will tell us what "evidence" to follow.

    Even more revealing was Princeton's Uwe Reinhardt, a leading liberal health-care economist, writing on the New York Times Economix blog. Mr. Reinhardt sees the task force's handiwork as an exemplar of "rational decision-making" that had nothing to do with cost analysis, even as he claimed that rationing based on cost is inevitable.

    You have to admire Mr. Reinhardt's partisan dexterity. He knows that no government task force is ever going to justify a treatment denial with an overt claim to costs. Instead, the task force found a sneaky way to use clinical data to take costs into account without admitting it. It cites all sorts of harm associated with the problem of "overdiagnosis"—i.e., too many costly procedures. This is a reference to mammograms that lead to further tests and treatments that in hindsight are unnecessary.

    The HHS task force concludes that this harm outweighs the benefits of saving lives through early detection, yet this makes little sense unless financial costs are a priority. For instance, the panel cites patient anxiety from false positives, yet the literature also shows overwhelmingly that women would rather risk a scare than allow a cancer to progress—especially considering that about 75% of all breast cancers develop in women who do not have special risk factors.

    In any event, the distinction between cost effectiveness and clinical effectiveness will be moot if ObamaCare passes. The House bill gives the HHS task force the mandate to review "the benefits, effectiveness, appropriateness, and costs of clinical preventive services" in making its de facto insurance coverage rulings. As Mr. Reinhardt notes, "at some point soon the rising cost of American health care actually will force Americans to bring monetary costs into the analysis as well."

    What's really going on here is that the left knows its designs will require political rationing of care, but it doesn't want the public to figure this out until ObamaCare passes. Then it will begin the campaign to instruct the rest of us that we must follow the guidance of Princeton professors about what medical care we can receive. Americans will simply have to accept that the price of government-run health care in the name of redistributive justice is that patients and their doctors must bow to the superior wisdom of HHS task forces.

    Just don't admit it until after the White House signing ceremony.

     
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    They are doing the same thing with pap smears.  It's a simple anual test for girls and women that detects cancer and STD's.

    Rationing is suggested.  When this passes, suggestions wil become law.

    Bush hated black people, Democrats apparently hate women.
     
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    Congratulations to the GOP for finally politicizing breast cancer.

    Kudos, really....
     
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    Congratulations to the radical Democrats for attempting to nationalize and confiscate 1/6 of the private economy.  
     
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    [QUOTE]Congratulations to the GOP for finally politicizing breast cancer. Kudos, really....
    Posted by Mattyhorn[/QUOTE]

    Congrats to the Dems for putting dollars before health.
     
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    congrats to you all for believing any of this nonsense. think tanks make reccomendations all the time, nothing more nothing less. this will be dismissed in due time.
     
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    Did anyone see the report about the UK and their rationing of cancer treatments? They are putting a limit of 30,000 pounds per person and certain new treatments are going over that. I will look for the article...
     
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    [QUOTE]congrats to you all for believing any of this nonsense. think tanks make reccomendations all the time, nothing more nothing less. this will be dismissed in due time.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    It will be but not because of any doing by our fine govt. You can thank the people for it.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography : It will be but not because of any doing by our fine govt. You can thank the people for it.
    Posted by hawkeye01[/QUOTE]

    in the information age where bloggers and radio hosts are passing for authorities on any number of important issues i wouldn't be so sure about that. i really think we're bordering on sensory overload.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography : in the information age where bloggers and radio hosts are passing for authorities on any number of important issues i wouldn't be so sure about that. i really think we're bordering on sensory overload.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    Well our elected officials are clearly not authorities on any number of important issues.  Seems like our "scientists" are not (trusted) authorities on any number of important issues (see global warming kerffufle).  I really think we're bordering on a revolt.
     
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    [QUOTE]congrats to you all for believing any of this nonsense
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    ...Says the gullible former 9/11 truther...LOL 


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography : in the information age where bloggers and radio hosts are passing for authorities on any number of important issues i wouldn't be so sure about that. i really think we're bordering on sensory overload.
    Posted by scauma82[/QUOTE]

    Really? So you don't think people call their congressmen and senators to blast them in regards to things like the mammography issue? Ok.
     
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    LOL, the ones who "put dollars before health" are the ones who refuse to insure those with prior medical conditions, the ones who cancel policies, who refuse to pay for needed care, who cherry pick, who let Wal-Mart insure employees undergoing cancer treatments for hefty pay outs, while simultaneously refusing to provide health insurance to cancer survivors.

    Who are you people trying to fool? It isn't working anymore. Or did you not notice that last election.  I think that we are on a path of change, and if the ONLY change is that the haves, end up with jack nothing too, well maybe that would STILL be a change for the better, from the view at the bottom.  Let's be nice and share now.
    We tried TRICKLE down, so lets try TRICKLE UP, turn about is fair playSmile
     
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    Thanks for the laugh.

     
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    In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography : It is the Democrats' plans that are politicizing it. After all, as you know these studies have been going on since before Obama was elected and we never heard peep. The reason they are political now is that Obama and the Democrats have made clear what they intend to do with the information - use it to justify their new agencies to force limited treatments to save money. Do you deny that is what Democrats want to do in their plan to save money? Even Obama says that is what they want to do.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    Efforts to reform the health care delivery system in America have been going on for even longer, but it's not nearly the same as the GOP accusing Dems of trying to kill women, granny, your dog, or whatever nonsense they continue to spew into the ether.

    The fact is that thousands of unnecessary treatments are dignosed every year, and these are part of the reason why health care costs so much in this country.

    Your argument is disingenuous when squared with the largest unfunded expansion of government into the health care industry ever: Medicare Part D.  The current Senate bill will cost LESS than that boondoggle, cover more uninsured, and control costs more effectively over the long term.
     
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    I'd rather have a "mis-diagnosis" than a "no-diagnosis" any day.

    Health care is a mess.  Obama's plan is not the solution.
     
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    [QUOTE]Congratulations to the GOP for finally politicizing breast cancer. Kudos, really....
    Posted by Mattyhorn[/QUOTE]

    Mathew, I'm sorry but none of this concerns you???  When the government controls healthcare it certainly won't improve anything, there's no place to go but down. .......and the appeal process for non-coverage????  Non-existant.

    Have a great Thanksgiving.  I hope your turkey is perfect and that your stuffing doesn't come from a box, or your gravy from a jar!!!!
     
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    Just an observation but why do democrats want to waste gobs of money on everything under the sun and then be so eager to ration and save money by passing healthcare???  It doesn't make sense.  ACORN billions...mammograms and pap smears, and heart surgery for the elderly NO NO NO!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liberals and Mammography : Mathew, I'm sorry but none of this concerns you???  When the government controls healthcare it certainly won't improve anything, there's no place to go but down. .......and the appeal process for non-coverage????  Non-existant. Have a great Thanksgiving.  I hope your turkey is perfect and that your stuffing doesn't come from a box, or your gravy from a jar!!!!
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]

    Again, your "government control" argument hinges on a faulty conception of a "free market" that just isn't "free". 

    The health care / HCI industry is so sick over costs, that it needs its OWN health insurance plan.

    The problem is that it wouldn't qualify on account of its "pre-existing condition" status.  (perhaps for an HD/HSA plan, but I digress...)

    It needs to be saved from itself like many capitalist sectors were before it, and it is precisely government's role to do so.
     
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    Here we go - killing grandma didn't work, so let's try whoring out breast cancer.

    The best health care system in the world?  Sure, if you're lucky enough to have GOOD insurance (which I do).  Millions of Americans don't, and some of them actually die.  This country is no longer great - too many Americans don't care about anyone else.

    The ironic fact is that the most uninsured people live in rock-solid red repulican states. And have been brainwashed into voting against themselves time and again.  The GOP uses them and then sticks it up their behind.

     
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    I'm talking about Republicans and nutjob radio/TV commentators using breast cancer to scare women into thinking that these new guidelines are somehow connected to the Health Care bill - Obama wants you to die of breast cancer!!

    But only after your grandma is sentenced to death by a DEATH PANEL!!
     
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