The Moral Case for Free Enterprise

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    The Moral Case for Free Enterprise

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NfLUCBZ1is&feature=youtu.be

    1) Free enterprise safeguards lasting happiness.
    2) It promotes real fairness.
    3) It does the most good for the most vulnerable.

    The YouTube video explains it all.

     
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    In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : I pretty much agree with you. But the "living Constitution" idea goes back to the Founders. The document they crafted is replete with terms that need to be explored, defined and perhaps redefined.  This was by design. And they began to argue about their meaning almost immediately after the government was formed. And it continues now. And it should: an 18th Century document can only go so far to address the needs of a 21st Century society. It' has got to have flexibility built into it. Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE] Reubin, The Constitution does have flexibility. It has a built in amendment process so that it can be changed when necessary. The process, however, was designed to be not easily performed so that it couldn't be abused for political expediency. When I talk about the concept of a "living constitution" I'm talking about the idea that the words of the constitution can be interpreted so loosely as to make them almost meaningless. This renders the document, for all,practical purposes, worthless. The words in the constitution have meaning and the intentions of the authors count. To the point made by WDYWN, of course it can be difficult to apply the strictures of a document written a couple hundred years ago to modern issues but I think that the concepts enshrined there are so universal that, for the most part, it can be done.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": Reubin, The Constitution does have flexibility. It has a built in amendment process so that it can be changed when necessary. The process, however, was designed to be not easily performed so that it couldn't be abused for political expediency. When I talk about the concept of a "living constitution" I'm talking about the idea that the words of the constitution can be interpreted so loosely as to make them almost meaningless. This renders the document, for all,practical purposes, worthless. The words in the constitution have meaning and the intentions of the authors count. To the point made by WDYWN, of course it can be difficult to apply the strictures of a document written a couple hundred years ago to modern issues but I think that the concepts enshrined there are so universal that, for the most part, it can be done.
    Posted by StalkingButler[/QUOTE]

    But you see, the "authors" disagreed about the meaning of the words chosen too.  Madison and Hamilton both helped draft and advocate for the Constitution and then argued different interpretations of it once the government was created. 

    New facts are going to come up as society progresses and the universal truths of the document have to analyzed to see how they are to be addressed. It's a flexible document and it is also a political document. The Founders knew it and we should too.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Introspection?  If that what you call your sputtering about how the government needs to run everything, and that the government saved the black family?
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Stop lying.  It keeps you from introspection.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Stop lying.  It keeps you from introspection.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]


    Let me know if the fact that 75% of the children in the black community are born out of wedlock is part of the government plan. 

    Crikey.  what a loser.
     
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    In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Let me know if the fact that 75% of the children in the black community are born out of wedlock is part of the government plan.  Crikey.  what a loser.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    No.  It's not part of the "plan".  But thinking that shows your silly ideology has taken away your ability to think.  Life is complicated.  You like simple answers.  But they appeal only to simple minds.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : No.  It's not part of the "plan".  But thinking that shows your silly ideology has taken away your ability to think.  Life is complicated.  You like simple answers.  But they appeal only to simple minds.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    My ideology is that a free society with a free market will undo the damage done by the heavy hand of government.

    I like answers that work.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Reality is beyond him.
    Posted by movingtarget3[/QUOTE]

    What I'm bored by is the progressive response to failed government intervention in our lives.  The response is:  we didn't spend enough, we didn't regulate enough.

    How one of you brainiacs drawing the conclusion that the rest of us have:  If you are in a hole, stop digging.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : My ideology is that a free society with a free market will undo the damage done by the heavy hand of government. I like answers that work.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Check the 19th Century as to how well it worked. 

    We are the government.

     
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    In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Check the 19th Century as to how well it worked.  We are the government. Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE] The 19th century was great, in comparison to the 18th century. The 21st century is a failure, in comparison to the 20th century. See what I did there? Why are you so against people being free?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : At least on paper.
    Posted by NO MO O[/QUOTE]

    Huh?  You just don't like the people of this society hence you don't like the government.  If you are unhappy. please just go away.
     
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    In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise:
    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": The 19th century was great, in comparison to the 18th century. The 21st century is a failure, in comparison to the 20th century. See what I did there? Why are you so against people being free?
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    You have not read any real history then.  The Industrial Revolution destroyed people, spiritually and physically.  Long hours, dreadful conditions, inadequate pay, child labor and unions were illegal and strikes suppressed.  They got a better life by government intervention.  You are a utopian dreamer for an era than did not really exist.  Or maybe you like social darwinism as a "moral" force regardless of all the pain it caused....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : You have not read any real history then.  The Industrial Revolution destroyed people, spiritually and physically.  Long hours, dreadful conditions, inadequate pay, child labor and unions were illegal and strikes suppressed.  They got a better life by government intervention.  You are a utopian dreamer for an era than did not really exist.  Or maybe you like social darwinism as a "moral" force regardless of all the pain it caused....
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Rube, put down the shovel.

    the point is that each "age" was progressively ( the real definition of the word) better than the prior, until Obama.  Obama has managed to stop the progress mankind, and is working feverishly to turn the clocks back to the socialist experiments that started in the late 1800's.  Maybe he could use von Bismark's approach?  That ended well (sic).  Sigh.

    As far as moral standards:  one shines above all in my opinion:  Christianity.  Yah, that's why it is constantly attacked, because it focuses on the morality offered by the true God, not the man-made god of the Democrats.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Rube, put down the shovel. the point is that each "age" was progressively ( the real definition of the word) better than the prior, until Obama.  Obama has managed to stop the progress mankind, and is working feverishly to turn the clocks back to the socialist experiments that started in the late 1800's.  Maybe he could use von Bismark's approach?  That ended well (sic).  Sigh. As far as moral standards:  one shines above all in my opinion:  Christianity.  Yah, that's why it is constantly attacked, because it focuses on the morality offered by the true God, not the man-made god of the Democrats.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]
    Riiight. Because Jesus was SO into capitalism! Sermon on the mount? He had his boys out there selling CD's and t-shirts! They advertised for free fish and bread! Please exit through the gift shop! Stupid dolt!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Rube, put down the shovel. the point is that each "age" was progressively ( the real definition of the word) better than the prior, until Obama.  Obama has managed to stop the progress mankind, and is working feverishly to turn the clocks back to the socialist experiments that started in the late 1800's.  Maybe he could use von Bismark's approach?  That ended well (sic).  Sigh. As far as moral standards:  one shines above all in my opinion:  Christianity.  Yah, that's why it is constantly attacked, because it focuses on the morality offered by the true God, not the man-made god of the Democrats.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    The Great Depression was better than the Roaring Twenties?  Man, are you unaware of reality.  Progress had a huge detour during that period and only the government pulled us out.  Go study some history. You really are not well read.

    And study other religions too.  Christianity hardly has a stranglehold on morality.  How many wars and other conflicts were started over Buddhism? Compare that to Christianity... Crusades, Wars of Religion, Inquisition...  Pretty obvious distinction.  But ideologues avoid facts like these. It gets in the way of the endless mindless ranting.
     
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    This is an odd thread. As my grandfather said we build where we can. All people who build a buisness design on the reality. Not the tax breaks. They are not that stupid. History shows that tax breaks come and go. So what is the real issue. Taxes never stopped a buisness from opening. Has not happened and never will. The price changes but the opportunity is always there. We can have all the buisness that finance will support. We just need to execute a few banks to make the point that failure is an option and your stockholders should have a choke chain on your throats.
     
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    Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise

    In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : The Great Depression was better than the Roaring Twenties?  Man, are you unaware of reality.  Progress had a huge detour during that period and only the government pulled us out.  Go study some history. You really are not well read. And study other religions too.  Christianity hardly has a stranglehold on morality.  How many wars and other conflicts were started over Buddhism? Compare that to Christianity... Crusades, Wars of Religion, Inquisition...  Pretty obvious distinction.  But ideologues avoid facts like these. It gets in the way of the endless mindless ranting. Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE] Regarding the Great Depression, read The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. It's eye opening.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : The Great Depression was better than the Roaring Twenties?  Man, are you unaware of reality.  Progress had a huge detour during that period and only the government pulled us out.  Go study some history. You really are not well read. And study other religions too.  Christianity hardly has a stranglehold on morality.  How many wars and other conflicts were started over Buddhism? Compare that to Christianity... Crusades, Wars of Religion, Inquisition...  Pretty obvious distinction.  But ideologues avoid facts like these. It gets in the way of the endless mindless ranting.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    I guess we are back to your sophomoric response trying to say things I didn't say.

    You may be living in the seventh century, and see everything through that lens, but the rest of us have moved on.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : I guess we are back to your sophomoric response trying to say things I didn't say. You may be living in the seventh century, and see everything through that lens, but the rest of us have moved on.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    You make broad statements and ignore the facts that underlie them.  Now you pretend you didn't make the statements in the first place. That is inherently sophomoric. 

    You wish you lived in the seventh century.  The Dark Ages are perfect for the likes of you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": Regarding the Great Depression, read The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes. It's eye opening.
    Posted by StalkingButler[/QUOTE]

    Looks interesting.  I just finished Ferguson's book Civilization: The West and all the Rest on the "killer applications" that were the foundation of the West's rise to global dominance.  A fun read.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : You make broad statements and ignore the facts that underlie them.  Now you pretend you didn't make the statements in the first place. That is inherently sophomoric.  You wish you lived ion the seventh century.  The Dark Ages are perfect for the likes of you.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]


    No, you are saying things I didn't say.  You are like arguing with a four year old.  Go jump in a lake, you jerk.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : No, you are saying things I didn't say.  You are like arguing with a four year old.  Go jump in a lake, you jerk.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    You got nothing.  Instead of spending so much time on your mindless rants why not go to the library and read history, philosophy and religion.  Get an education.  You are remarkably lacking in a basic foundation of intellectual thought.  But there is hope for every one.  Time is wasting though. Get moving.
     
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    Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise

    In response to "Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Moral Case for Free Enterprise : Looks interesting.  I just finished Ferguson's book Civilization: The West and all the Rest on the "killer applications" that were the foundation of the West's rise to global dominance.  A fun read. Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE] Thanks for the tip Reubin, sounds pretty interesting.
     

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