The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : Leaders should "shape the debate". Obama just picked the wrong side of the debate in your estimation.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    Debate?  a child is dead, there is possibly/likely a crime.  Look, do you expect  the President to wade in on every local legal matter?  He should have expressed condolences and leave it at that.  There are plenty of politicians closer to the scene that can "shape the debate".
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : You are going to pretend that there have not been many, many instances of racial profiling of black youths?  You are going to pretend that some of these instances have not led to those youths being killed? Are you going to suggest that there is not a possibility that these issues were not present in this matter?  An unarmed innocent black kid is stalked, confronted and killed and it is just random? You have more intelligence than that.
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]
    Reuben, you and many others are being led by the media to a conviction of Mr. Zimmerman without all the facts. This is akin to the "the Cambridge Police acted stupidly" comment. When the facts came out, they didn't act stupidly. They were dealing with a belligerent racist who wanted it to be about race.
    In this case, maybe the Sanford police didn't arrest Mr. Zimmerman because they talked to the one and only eye witness, and he said that Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked by Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin was then on top of him on the ground and pounding away to the tune of a broken nose and cuts on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head.
    If this account is true then Mr. Zimmerman did his duty as a neighborhood watch and actually listened to the police when they told him to get back in his vehicle. Or at least he tried to before he was attacked.
    I don't know which story is true, which is why I have not commented on this until now. My issue is the Sharptons and NBP's of the world are rushing to judgement and making a race thing and the President appears (at least on the surface) to also make it about race. If he had stopped at "If I had a son who was dead, I would have anguish in my heart and want the full truth to come out" or something like that, he would have IMHO been better off.
    The other side of this issue is with the 50 or so murders in black neighborhoods that same night, why no comment on those?
     
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    Undeniable fact:  White on Black crime is almost always front page news and the lead story on the major networks.  Black on White crime is almost never front page news nor is it ever even reported on the major networks.  Crime is crime regardless of the color of the skin of the perp or the victim.  When we can get past this then there's truly hope for a better America.
     
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    [QUOTE]Undeniable fact:  White on Black crime is almost always front page news and the lead story on the major networks.  Black on White crime is almost never front page news nor is it ever even reported on the major networks.  Crime is crime regardless of the color of the skin of the perp or the victim.  When we can get past this then there's truly hope for a better America.
    Posted by bobcatsr[/QUOTE]

    You might add that black on black crime, which is far more severe than black on white crime, is also seldom noticed outside of the neighborhood.

    It's almost as if unless it can be used for some political purpose the lives of these people do not really matter.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : Actually, I'd think the real "other side of the issue" is why you demand that if a source reports about one murder, it must report about all murders, or else have an agenda. It's a slight twist on the BDC game of liberals cannot talk about conservatives acting badly without posting a list of all liberals who ever did something similar.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]
    The issue isn't whether they are reported on. They are reported on by the news media. I am asking why Sharpton et al isn't as up in arms (literally it would seem) with those other murders and their lack of anyone being arrested. Could it be that Sharpton and the NBP are racist?
     
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    [QUOTE]Of course. A parent would be far less likely to attempt to read racism into another parent's sympathy with a dead child, simply so that they can play the "race card" card game on BDC.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow[/QUOTE]

    I get it on the sympathy, but he didn't stop there.  he made a specific, pointed racial remark.

    Obama is the one playing the race card.  I don't see him identifying with the white half of his gene pool, do you?
     
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    There is a 17 year old teenager dead and a 28 year old man who fancied himself a police officer who had a gun. I find the fact that the 28y/o who probably wasn't  playing with a full deck was allowed to have a gun !!!!!!!

    I want to know why the shooter wasn't taken into custody for manslaughter that night. This isn't Dodge City in the 1890's this is America of 2012. I want to know why the 28 y/o male was allowed to play Starsky and Hutch with a real gun on real streets of a real city in a real country .

    Doesn't anybody else want to know why ?

     
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    I want to know why Sister and I also want to know why Black Panther Thugs with batons were allowed to stand outside a Philadelphia polling place intimidating voters and were not arrested for doing so.  Doesn't anyone else want to know why?  Actually Sister, you can ask these kinds of rhetorical questions all day long.  There's plenty wrong in America but if we continue to only care about ourselves then we're in big trouble.  Wrong is wrong, crime is crime and frankly, it makes no difference who it is who's doing the wrong.  When we can get this right then we're on the path to social justice. 
     
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    bobcatsr I'm not bringing race into this crime. I would like to know if the man who had called the police over 50 times for suspicious activities going on in that neighborhood in a short period of time , was told by police to stay away, who probably tried to stop the teenager from going home and ended up shooting that teenager had a history of behavioral problems and did he suffer from a mental illness. If he did have these illnesses why was he allowed to own a gun !
     
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    [QUOTE]There is a 17 year old teenager dead and a 28 year old man who fancied himself a police officer who had a gun. I find the fact that the 28y/o who probably wasn't  playing with a full deck was allowed to have a gun !!!!!!! I want to know why the shooter wasn't taken into custody for manslaughter that night. This isn't Dodge City in the 1890's this is America of 2012. I want to know why the 28 y/o male was allowed to play Starsky and Hutch with a real gun on real streets of a real city in a real country . Doesn't anybody else want to know why ?
    Posted by Sistersledge[/QUOTE]
    Yes we do. BUT without the jumping to conclusion that is going on here. Now you think Zimmerman had a mental illness! When is this BS going to stop?

    So I will play your "what if": What if Mr Zimmerman did as the police said and stopped looking for Mr. Martin and turned around, gun in holster, and walked back to his car? What if Mr. Martin, seeing Mr. Zimmerman's back to him, jumped him and knocked him down? What if Mr. Martin then jumped on top of Mr. Zimmerman and started pounding him, breaking his nose? What is Mr. Zimmerman called out for someone to help him as Mr. Martin was sitting on his chest beating him? Would it be OK for Mr. Zimmerman to shoot Mr. Martin then?
     
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    [QUOTE]I am shocked and saddened by the death of this young man.  I'm equally shocked and saddened by the fact that the shooter is still walking around free hiding behind some absurd law.  I'm also astounded that the President of The United States knowing how volatile and incindiary the situation really is would fan the flames of racial hatred rather than taking the lead and trying to calm people down.  All he's accomplishing by his worthless rhetoric is to appeal to the fringe lunatics of all races, colors, religions, etc instead of bringing the 99% of us decent human beings together to rightfully voice our condemnation of this atrocious act of murder.  In trying times such as these, leaders lead but I see no leadership whatsoever from this man.  He's all about fancy words that he reads from his teleprompter.  Mr. President, life as we know it is not in your teleprompter.  It's right there in front of you if you'd take the time to look at it.  Stop fanning the flames of racism Mr. President.   
    Posted by bobcatsr[/QUOTE]B I N G O  !!!!!!  Great post !!!
     
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    brat13  do you call the action of  a 28 y/o male playing the role of Charles Bronson carrying a gun and tracking down imaginary thugs the action of a sane person ?

    Maybe the shooter's father who is a retired judge can spread some light onto how his son got his hands on a 9 mm handgun and why his son wasn't in prison for violently assaulting an police officer while resisting arrest which is a felony.

    Those are the actions of a criminal.
     
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    The media can inflame a situation at will.  When the whole story finally gets told we'll be able to see a clearer picture of what happened on that fateful night.  Let the truth be told, that's all.  I suppose that a society than can stand up and cheer when a murderer like O.J. Simpson is found not guilty is capable of just about anything.  Four people were murdered in Roxbury but despite overwhelming evidence the alleged shooter is still not permanently in prison.  Nothing surprises me anymore, nothing!  What we don't need is for that phony S.O.B. Al Sharpton to running his mouth about things that he's totally clueless about. He's been known to jump to conclusions.  Ask the players on the Duke LaCrosse team that he falsely accused and never apologized to. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Why are you surprised?  The left always fans the flames of hatred.  That's their MO. This situation in Florida makes me sick.  that kid was murdered, plain and simple. What is making it worse is how the professional agitators on the left are once again, just like the Giffords shooting, trying to stir up animosity and violence over this.  How does that help anyone? And, with Obama weighing in, fanning the flames of racism and violence, what kind of leader is he?
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    What??? "Stir up animosity", "..violence", "flames of racism"  Who has called for violence?  A young man was wrongfully killed and his parents and supporters simply want justice after a month since the murder.
     
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    [QUOTE]I want to know why Sister and I also want to know why Black Panther Thugs with batons were allowed to stand outside a Philadelphia polling place intimidating voters and were not arrested for doing so.  Doesn't anyone else want to know why? 
    Posted by bobcatsr[/QUOTE]

    Because if Barry had a son, he would look like those guys.




     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : I expect the president to have more garvitas than to bascially go Oprah on the issue.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    So the President should pretend that racism is not a factor in this? I believe the President is simply showing empathy for his parents. Said another way "it could have been my son walking down that street" and it could have been.  Hell, my teenage boy is white and wears a hoodie, so I wonder about these things. I guess we will reconsider our annual Florida trip now.
     
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    A lawyer on television last night brought up an interesting angle on this incident - which participant in this incident, Martin or Zimmerman, was the one "standing his ground"?  If Martin felt threatened, is he not entitled to respond and "stand his ground"? 
    Obioulsy this whole Stand Your Ground law(s) are extremely flawed.  There are self-defense and justifiable homicide provisions in every state already to handle these situations. Stand Your Ground seems like a free pass to kill.
     
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