The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is

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    [QUOTE]A lawyer on television last night brought up an interesting angle on this incident - which participant in this incident, Martin or Zimmerman, was the one "standing his ground"?  If Martin felt threatened, is he not entitled to respond and "stand his ground"?  Obioulsy this whole Stand Your Ground law(s) are extremely flawed.  There are self-defense and justifiable homicide provisions in every state already to handle these situations. Stand Your Ground seems like a free pass to kill.
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    In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is:
    [QUOTE]A lawyer on television last night brought up an interesting angle on this incident - which participant in this incident, Martin or Zimmerman, was the one "standing his ground"? If Martin felt threatened, is he not entitled to respond and "stand his ground"? Obioulsy this whole Stand Your Ground law(s) are extremely flawed. There are self-defense and justifiable homicide provisions in every state already to handle these situations. Stand Your Ground seems like a free pass to kill.
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    scoop:

    Stand Your Ground Laws are extremely flawed. You have got it exactly right.

     Florida resident George Zimmerman gunned down an unarmed seventeen-year-old named Trayvon Martin. But thanks to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, Zimmerman has not yet been charged with any crime.

    Now, the National Rifle Association is pushing the rest of the United States to adopt these "Stand Your Ground" laws. »

    Passed first in Florida, the law allows use of deadly force by someone who simply feels threatened by another person, even when confrontation is avoidable. »

    Since it went into effect in Florida, "justifiable homicides" have skyrocketed, says Tampa Bay Times.

    Is this really the kind of country we want to live in? One where it is legal to shoot first, ask questions later? Even when the victim is, like Trayvon Martin, a teenager whose only "weapon" is a pack of Skittles?

    I know I sure as heck do not want a Stand Your Ground Law here in Massachusetts. Hopefully the publicity of the Trayvon Martin case is enough to help beat back the power of the NRA which is pushing to have these laws passed in every state.


     
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    Though the title of this discussion is "The Treyvor Martin Murder etc.", the young man we are discussing is "Trayvon Martin", not "Treyvor Martin". I believe out of respect to both the dead young man and his family, we should spell his given name correctly. I am quite sure it was a completely honest mistake that was not picked up until now.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : No. If you insist on believing that he was motivated by skin color, then it isn't racist because it is literally true. If you are not intent on twisting everything Obama says, then it was quite obviously a parent's expression of sympathy for the Martins.
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    It is racial, not necessarily racist.  The connection he was making is that he, the president is a black man, well, half black, and if he had a son, hew would look like Trevor.  This is identifying with Trevors race.

    What Obama said up to that was good.  When he slipped into the black like me moment, that's divisive to come from a national leader.

    In a way, it is like the Giffords incident, the Gates incident, shooting from the hip, getting a few licks in, then no one follows up on his comments, all of which are divisive in these situations, and when possible, with racial over tones.

    This is true to what he has written in his books, so it is in character.  To say it is somehow not, is just stupid.

    That being said, I think this show why walking around with a gun is not the best of ideas, legal or not.
     
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    In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Treyvor Martin Murder Points Out How Poor A Leader Obama Really Is : No. If you insist on believing that he was motivated by skin color, then it isn't racist because it is literally true. If you are not intent on twisting everything Obama says, then it was quite obviously a parent's expression of sympathy for the Martins.
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    WDYWN:

    Thank you for fielding that question which was directed at me. Your reply is exactly right and well said. 

    Some of the points you made in our ongoing conversation are clearly showing regarding how to relate to the different conservative posters in the forums.
     
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