who is the real enemy the Republicans or muslim extremists?

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    "So far the right has tried to push the blame onto democrats (Limbaugh), the media, (Beck, Palin), Obama (Malkin) and now the Muslims.  Only person they haven't blamed so far is Gifford.  I'm waiting. "

    Revisionist history; at least wait a few days more to rewrite the facts.

    Conservatives have always blamed the shooter, period; it was the Ghoul Left starting with that hatemonger Paul Krugman who immediately used a mass murder to viciously attack and blame Sarah Palin and conservatives , with zero evidence of any connection at all.
    Did conservatives respond to the nasty lies? yes.
     
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    "So far the right has tried to push the blame onto democrats (Limbaugh), the media, (Beck, Palin), Obama (Malkin) and now the Muslims.  Only person they haven't blamed so far is Gifford.  I'm waiting. " Revisionist history; at least wait a few days more to rewrite the facts. Conservatives have always blamed the shooter, period; it was the Ghoul Left starting with that hatemonger Paul Krugman who immediately used a mass murder to viciously attack and blame Sarah Palin and conservatives , with zero evidence of any connection at all. Did conservatives respond to the nasty lies? yes.
    Posted by BobinVa


    When are you going to respond to the "obvious lie" in the initial posting that members of the left apologize for muslim terrorist killers?
     
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    If we had a "thumbs up" emote, I'd post it for that comment.
     
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    I agree.  Knowing the thoughts and actions of the Founders is important.

    Fwiw, I have framed copies of both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights on my wall.  And I read them.  Everyone should.

    (And the Federalist papers, and so on...)
     
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    I agree.  Knowing the thoughts and actions of the Founders is important. Fwiw, I have framed copies of both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights on my wall.  And I read them.  Everyone should. (And the Federalist papers, and so on...)
    Posted by PragmaticAmerican


    Besides U.S. History and political thought, people should also study what socialism, communism, fascism and Nazism really were in both theory and fact.  Maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't throw those terms around in such a cavalier fashion.
     
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    So far the right has tried to push the blame onto democrats (Limbaugh), the media, (Beck, Palin), Obama (Malkin) and now the Muslims.  Only person they haven't blamed so far is Gifford.  I'm waiting.
    Posted by Ergoetal


    The right is notpblaming anyone for the attack.  The right is blaming the left for an unjustified attack on specific individuals on the right.  Big difference.
     
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    In Response to Re: who is the real enemy the Republicans or muslim extremists? : Besides U.S. History and political thought, people should also study what socialism, communism, fascism and Nazism really were in both theory and fact.  Maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't throw those terms around in such a cavalier fashion.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    I have, and I agree.  However, the people I learned from were less than candid about the ills of socialism.  generally speaking, it was viewed as both good and inevitable by the professors of my time.

    how you react to different portions of these learnings largely comes down to worldview:  How do you view your self as a person?  How do you view the role of government? How do you view those around you?
     
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    I have to love this one, Now the liberals here are trying to say the GOPers are blaming the left for the shooting.  Talk about back tracking.

    I guess this is proven how bad they failed when they started blaming Palin and talk radio 3 hours after the shooting, with no facts just hope they started to lay blame on the right.

    Now we have people in this thread saying hey the REPS. did the blaming not the left look how bad they GOP is, to funny.
     
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    I have to love this one, Now the liberals here are trying to say the GOPers are blaming the left for the shooting.  Talk about back tracking. I guess this is proven how bad they failed when they started blaming Palin and talk radio 3 hours after the shooting, with no facts just hope they started to lay blame on the right. Now we have people in this thread saying hey the REPS. did the blaming not the left look how bad they GOP is, to funny.
    Posted by shumirules


    You must have missed the several postings where this exact allegation was made.  Indeed, one person gave a list of almost all our political assassinations and tried (rather vainly) to tie them to Lefty politics.
     
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    In Response to Re: who is the real enemy the Republicans or muslim extremists? : You must have missed the several postings where this exact allegation was made.  Indeed, one person gave a list of almost all our political assassinations and tried (rather vainly) to tie them to Lefty politics.
    Posted by Reubenhop



    Still, hard to deny what shmrules is reporting. Unless you are in complete denial.  The left has tried hard to pin this on the Right.  To not say so is complete denial.

    Histrically?  Irrelevant.  this was not an assasination, it was a wack job playing out some scenario in his mind.  To even consider that it was politically motivated, left or right, is to deny what we know at this time.
     
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    In Response to Re: who is the real enemy the Republicans or muslim extremists? : Still, hard to deny what shmrules is reporting. Unless you are in complete denial.  The left has tried hard to pin this on the Right.  To not say so is complete denial. Histrically?  Irrelevant.  this was not an assasination, it was a wack job playing out some scenario in his mind.  To even consider that it was politically motivated, left or right, is to deny what we know at this time.
    Posted by skeeter20


    Sure, this event to a certain extent is being used  for political purposes against the Right.  But it is understandable.  The Right has too long engaged in apocalyptic talk of the nation at risk from the traitorous unAmerican liberal conspiracy and the need to respond to it by whatever means necessary.  You cannot deny that this is an ongoing theme.  Indeed you dabble in it on occasion.  That argument is bad enough (smacking as it does of McCarthyism), but coupling it with the projected means of how to respond to this "threat", the gun culture metaphors, makes it particularly dangerous.  Everyone should take a step back, look for common cause, and avoid mindless divisiveness and hateful or threatening speech. 

    And yes, it was a political assassination attempt: the Congresswoman was fairly obviously the target of this demented individual.  Maybe you need to make this a wholely random criminal act so as to divorce it from the political debate, but the facts speak differently.
     
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    In Response to Re: who is the real enemy the Republicans or muslim extremists? : Sure, this event to a certain extent is being used  for political purposes against the Right.  But it is understandable.  The Right has too long engaged in apocalyptic talk of the nation at risk from the traitorous unAmerican liberal conspiracy and the need to respond to it by whatever means necessary.  You cannot deny that this is an ongoing theme.  Indeed you dabble in it on occasion.  That argument is bad enough (smacking as it does of McCarthyism), but coupling it with the projected means of how to respond to this "threat", the gun culture metaphors, makes it particularly dangerous.  Everyone should take a step back, look for common cause, and avoid mindless divisiveness and hateful or threatening speech.  And yes, it was a political assassination attempt: the Congresswoman was fairly obviously the target of this demented individual.  Maybe you need to make this a wholely random criminal act so as to divorce it from the political debate, but the facts speak differently.
    Posted by Reubenhop



    While I don't agree with the language you are using, I do agree that the right sees the left as destroying this country, and visa versa.  The right has been in a long struggle, even within the republican party, to restrain the government, the left, to grow it.  these are very divergent ideas of where we should be going.  there are bound to be frustrations on both sides.

    I do not agree with the attempt by the left to control the language.  Very Alsynskian (sp?).
    Still, on the assasination:  I do not see the link between the rhetoric, which I will even stipulate as over the top for the purpose of your argument, and this tragedy.  that is a fantasy of the left.
     
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    The true problem is not the left or the right ... the true culprit is the media.  The extremist should be ignored by the media and not reported on.  The country would be better served if those on the fringes were ignored, but this does not get ratings or sell papers.  The fires are being fueled by an element which stands to profit by creating a controversy. 

    There was a time when the tv network news was not out to make a profit, but just felt that there was dignity in reporting the news.  That era is now lost.

    A example was that fool in FLA who was going to burn the Koran if he didn't get his way about the mosque  in NYC.  This country would have been better served if we never knew about this fool with a following of a handful.  The press got a hold of it and it was front page news for two weeks.
     
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    "A house divided cannot stand."
    Posted by Bopanopawitz



    Pointless quote. Has no bearing on the issue. Republicans are not the issue democrats are not the issue. As a nation we are always divided on political issues. Otherwise we would all agree and never need opposition input. What worries the democrats is the reliance of the republicans on religiously motivated supporters. That includes folk who will not be swayed by logic of the situation. So it is not a divide per se. The repubs just got this fringe to go along by coming up with violent rhetoric. Much like some mullahs. To be fair no muslim is required to follow a mullah that they do not agree with. The same cannot be said about republicans who disagree with the TEA MULLAHS.
     
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    The right doesn't believe in fair elections.
    Posted by Ergoetal


    ???

    Don't get you.

    Unless you mean that the right beleives that the elections are unfair.

    Hopefully you are not one of those election-truthers, reliving the 2000 election where Bush won.


     
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    "So far the right has tried to push the blame onto democrats (Limbaugh), the media, (Beck, Palin), Obama (Malkin) and now the Muslims.  Only person they haven't blamed so far is Gifford.  I'm waiting. " Revisionist history; at least wait a few days more to rewrite the facts. Conservatives have always blamed the shooter, period; it was the Ghoul Left starting with that hatemonger Paul Krugman who immediately used a mass murder to viciously attack and blame Sarah Palin and conservatives , with zero evidence of any connection at all. Did conservatives respond to the nasty lies? yes.
    Posted by BobinVa



    I've heard "Ghoul Left" a ton over the last week in comments.  Fess up.  Which one of your masters commanded you to use that term when speaking about people you disagree with?

    Beck?  O'Reilly?  Hannity?
     
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    " Hopefully you are not one of those election-truthers, reliving the 2000 election where Bush won." Yes.
    Posted by Ergoetal


    Oh, boy.  If this is your baselinefor truth, god help you.
     
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