Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from BostonDotCom. Show BostonDotCom's posts

    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    After both being down in the polls at different points leading up to the New Hampshire presidential primary, Hillary Clinton and John McCain won their respective primary races on Tuesday. Were you surprised by their victories? What do you think it means going forward for the races for the Democractic and Republican presidential nominations?
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    A little surprised at Clinton winning, but that's because the media had pretty much been calling her yesterday's news all morning. I'm not a big Hillary fan, but there's been way too much epitaph-writing focus on her campaign as opposed to, say, Romney - or Giuliani! I really dislike what the media's been doing all year, guess it's really nothing new - hyping Clinton and Obama and framing the Dem race as having two frontrunners and hardly giving any ink to the other candidates...wayyyy before the Iowa caucus!

    Good for McCain, although I'm not voting GOP. As someone who voted for Romney in 2002 and lived to regret it, I feel some satisfaction that he probably assumed NH would be his and it didn't deliver. I hope it's going to be an interesting race where anything can (continue to) happen, rather than other states just falling into place once a clear frontrunner has been determined.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I was watching NECN Tuesday evening, and it was mentioned that there were 18 polls out there. Many showing different results; it depends on the number of people polled, etc. I think the N.H. primary showed people voting for who they thought to be the best candidate and perhaps not listening to what the polls predicted. I think that's a good thing. Shows people using there heads and hearts instead of letting pollsters lead them to the polls like cows. I was not surprised that McCain won, but I was pleasantly surprised that Clinton won.
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I was a little surprised, but not a lot. It's hard not to have your opinion affected by all the hype on CNN, and local and network news. Even though the touted polls were wrong in both Iowa and New Hampshire, TV news pundits were indicating that the polls were correct, but people changed their minds.

    Pollsters once went door-to-door to gather their information. It was labor-intensive, slow and expensive, but it included people who might not have a phone. With telecommunications undergoing rapid change, I think we've reached the point that telephone polls will become increasingly inaccurate. Cell phones, voice mail and answering machines mean that large numbers of people are no longer available to pollsters, and those people are likely somewhat different from those still available via landline telephones. In addition, the sheer number of polls would indicate that many of them are not carefully done.

    I heard TV news reporters expressing opinions about why people voted one way or another with absolutely no evidence to back up their statements. It was conjecture, but without a disclaimer, it was stated as fact.

    Voters in NH and IA went their own way, despite being continually told by the media what they were supposed to do. I only hope this trend continues through the general election.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from 66que. Show 66que's posts

    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I'm not terribly surprised, I never believed Hillary was going to lose NH by 10 points, IA maybe but not NH. I think it goes to show that people shouldn't put too much stock in these polls and the voters shouldn't listen to who they are being told to vote for because it's a sure thing. I'm not a Hillary supporter but she is tough and hard working. And in an odd way I'm glad she won, it keeps the Dems side of the primary interesting. Same true with the Reps, McCain win wasn't a surprise but he certainly can't claim the nomination. Both sides still have to work hard for our votes, that's the way it should be.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from ennui. Show ennui's posts

    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Although not from New Hampshire, NH and Maine to me, are the New England States that most represent the down home, no nonsense logic. Voters can cut through all the rhetoric and whittle down the candidates based on the outcome of their stand on the important issues, outcome of debates and personal achievements rather than allowing media hype and political pundits to influence the votes.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from diggerfortruth. Show diggerfortruth's posts

    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    No voting machine took away your votes.

    America is not in Africa where corrupt politicians can rig elections and engender..

    It depends on your perspective. In 2000 and 2004 those nasty republicans stole the elections.There was corruption all over the place, disenfranchisement, voter intimidation, trick ballots to confuse people, etc.

    What I think you meant was that DEMOCRATS don't do such things.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from northendmatt. Show northendmatt's posts

    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Not too surprising - Clinton and Obama had always been close in NH. But as nice as it would be to write eulogies for the campaigns of two world-class dirtbags (Romney and Giuliani), let's not forget that John McCain beat another world-class dirtbag in NH in 2000. Looking forward, should we expect to see the same savage attacks on McCain in SC and MI? I'm not sure - the GOP establishment might prefer Romney, but if they sink McCain they might end up with Huckabee - a candidate who wants to do more than give lip service to social conservatives and has less interest in protecting the interests of the rich. No matter what people like William Kristol might say, they are not excited about the prospect of a GOP candidate who wants to hammer Wall Street and teach children that the world is only 6,000 years old.

    The best thing that could come out of this primary season, though highly unlikely on the Democratic side, would be none of the winners in Iowa and New Hampshire advancing. That might finally convince people that the opinions of 3 million corn farmers and 1 million libertarian ex-Massachusetts residents shouldn't matter infinitely more than those of, say, 19 million people in New York or 34 million people in California, not to mention 6 million people here in MA, all of whose votes are rendered practically worthless by the practice of calling elections based on IA, NH, and SC.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Very well stated without being insulting!

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    This just shows that Iowa and New Hampshire will not decide (nor the flawed polls that run endlessly) who will be our nominations for November. Why must we let our dear fellow citizens of Iowa and New Hampshire influence how the rest of us vote?

    I cannot wait for Super Tuesday when 23 other states voice their God given democratic right in the process. The process is flawed to begin with - the results of these 2 states out of 50 will be a tiny voice when the rest of our nation votes in their primaries.

    Who hath win today, may not be the victor when all the votes are counted. This shows us as fellow Americans that we will change history by voting in our state's primary - go register to vote today. It's going to be one interesting election year!

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I'm not surprised. All we've learned so far is that people are still undecided. Hillary Clinton should not call this victory. If you ask me, I'd say the Democratic voters of New Hampshire are completely divided and in many cases undecided. If you led the Democratic party right now, could you pick your candidate? The answer is No.

    The same holds true in the Republican race. So far, all we know is Romney is the second choice in both states. I almost think that is better than the poor showing Huckabee had in NH and McCain had in Iowa. When Giuliani has a big Super Tuesday, it's only going to make things more difficult.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Kudos to NH voters! They turned out in record numbers and ignored the pollster-pundits who had all but given the Democratic race to Obama, in many cases by double-digits. Makes one wonder who the pollsters were talking to......in the end, it's the people who actually vote that determine the results.

    This is getting exciting now - finally getting to the show after so many months of previews.

     
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    I used to really like Boston.com/ Boston globe, but their Obama slant and Hillary bashing have really turned me off. Endorsing Obama is one thing but this bias they've been showing goes too far.

    That said, I was extremely excited and a little surprised with Hillary pulling it out. It just shows the media reports what they want and try way too hard to influence outcomes.

    GO HILLARY!!!!

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Conspiracy! Conspiracy!
    Voter fraud!!
    The machines are fixed!
    This country's doomed!
    Republicans are bad, Democrats will fix everything!
    The sky is falling!

    Knock it off, already!!!

    The last thing I want to see is Hillary as president, but I couldn't be happier than to see the people getting their say over the media. Hillary is more of the same, only worse and with a Socialist slant but if that's what people want then all the power to them.

    I'm independant and haven't decided whether I'll go Dem or GOP. I'm sure my mind won't be made up 'til I walk in the booth in November. Until then I'm listening to everyone.
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    The big news is not that Hillary beat Obama by 8000 votes, or that McCain beat Romney by 13000 votes, but that the Democratic field outpolled the Republican field by more than 50,000 votes. This in a state that went for John Kerry in 2004 by a mere 9000. This bodes ill for the Republicans in the general election.
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    New Hampshire has clearly shown that they vote with their intellect and refuse to be swayed by the in your face-news media. (They don't call you the Granite State for nothing. Good job!!)

    One only needs to do a little bit of research and read the resumes of these two winners out of NH - Hillary and McCain to know why they are by far more qualified, ready and able to lead a country. No other candidate comes close.

    Talk radio, news reporters, and political analayses are trying to figure out 'what happened????" Answer: INTELLIGENT VOTERS DON"T CARE WHAT POLLS, NEWS/MEDIA REPORTERS, POLITICAL PUNDITS, AND TV AND RADIO NEWS PERSONALITIES HAVE TO SAY!!!!!!!!

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Oh, my words exactly. I love that the voters are smarter than the media.
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Good point soxphan ( love your name :-) )

    Did anyone else se the jump on Obama polling points besides me after the Oprah hype?

    Anyone who falls for the oprah hype is a fool.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Yesterday, we stood at the Fisk School in Salem NH holding our signs for Hillary. We stood from 6:30 am until the polls closed at 7:00 pm. We were honored and proud to be part of the legions of NH women and men who came out to cast their ballot for Hillary Clinton.
    At first, we didn't know what was going to happen, but then as the dawn broke over NH, we witnessed a phenomenon....Hillary supporters came.....hundreds of them.....there were young women carrying babies, giving us the thumbs up; middle aged women were even more enthusiastic....giving us the high five and saying things like "tell Hillary to keep going...we love her". The most profound however, were the scores of women who were over age 65, some many years over 65, many visibly frail, being assisted up the walkway by their daughters and sons; these Greatest Generation Women came to the polls using walkers, or in wheel chairs, some were carrying oxygen tanks, so many were dressed to the nines wearing their best winter coats, this was obviously a great day for them. There is no doubt they came to engage in the opportunity to cast a vote for the first woman to be elected President... and within their lifetime. We thanked them all for coming out to vote and they acknoweldged us with a wink, a nod, thumbs up gestures and even some high fives....it was thrilling. We were so moved by the sight of so many women who took the time, many making a tremedous physical effort, to get out and vote. The pundits can say whatever they want....Hillary's power to inspire women and men CANNOT be denied. Yesterday, we witnessed her power to move people first hand and we are so happy and proud!!!
    Thank you all again and Keep up the good fight.....GO HILLARY!!!!
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Polls only tell us so much. Unfortunately, the talking heads on CNN, et al, tell us way too much. As a voter, I thought Hillary defended herself extremely well against and (planned) tag team attack in the debate. And she won my vote. Weirdly enough, the pundits trashed her self defense, saying she lost her composure, etc. Unfortunately, many people wait for the analysts to tell them who "won". To me, Hillary, is the Pats, everyone trying to tear them down, call them cheaters. As Bill Simmons, the ESPN Sports Guy would say, she scored and "Eff You!" touchdown in NH. Go Hillary! Go Pats!
     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    archer- what did Romney do in Mass that has you regretting voting for him??

    I think he was a good govenor compared with the moron we have running it now.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Anyone who breaks down when talking about campaigning is not fit to hold the office of the president. While some people saw this as showing she's human. I see it showing that she is weak.

    McCain- strong

    Obama- strong

    Romney- strong

    Edwards- strong

    Clinton- weak

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I am not surprised.

    What happened to the day where who you voted for was your business and no one elses?

    You have 18 different polls in NH. The week prior to the election you have them calling your home every night. (not to mention the volunteers for the candidates). By the end of it all, I would tell them I was voting for Mickey Mouse. Then you have polls taken after you vote.

    Everyone should respond, "it's none of your business who I voted for. Wait for the results"

    Then none of the talking heads of the media will have anything to report until there is some real news to report.

    Am I surprised the Polsters were wrong....no....people are sick of them and should be giving them false information just so they go away.....

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    I was not very surprised by Clinton's victory over Obama. The pre-election polls showed Obama with a 10 point advantage, and studies have demonstrated that approximately 10% of white voters who tell pollsters that they will vote for a black candidate change their minds inside the voting booth. This effect was seen consistently with Jesse Jackson's runs for president. You didn't see it in Iowa, because caucuses require a public declaration (not unlike a poll or survey) rather than a private one. In caucuses, polls, and surveys, most of us are the confident, unbiased people we want to be. In the privacy of the voting booth, some of us become the frightened, prejudiced people that we were raised to be. It is sad. Going forward, it means Obama must consistently poll 12 to 15 points ahead in order to win, unless he finds a way to address and diminish this effect. If he can find a way to help people overcome their most basic fears of "otherness," he'll certainly prove to me that he has the skills needed to be a good president -- though I don't know how he'll accomplish it.

     
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    Surprised by Tuesday's primary results?

    Not particularly surprised. It seems that some NH Dem voters, being in close proximity to Massachusetts and being able to see news from Boston easily, saw parallels bewteen the vague message of hope without substance Obama shows with that of our, *ahem,* esteemed Governor Patrick. Although if Obama had a nice feel-good slogan he may have done better.

    It may not be entirely fair to draw a complete comparison between Patrick's hood-winking campaign for governor of a reflexively Democratic state and Obama's campaign which will cover 50 states, but there are similarities. Beyond the obvious "message" point I raised above, race also plays a factor, although not in the way that many might think. Many people who like to think of themselves as enlightened feel good about voting for a black man, feeling that it will cleanse their souls and show the country that they can transcend race. I personally think that voting for a candidate based on looks, gender, race, religion or any other superficial reason is ludicrous. Unfortunately, because a vote is guaranteed to every citizen by an amendment to the constitution, we are forced to endure the results of votes based on less than learned premises.

    I think the word "change" needs to be used more. It has only been brought up 1,464,812 times so far, and I'm not sure we've heard it. We get it, you don't like Bush. Folks, he's not running.

     
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