Just for the RECORD, "BIG O" & DEM's shut down our Government.........

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    Regardless of whether one likes or does not like RomneyCare the issue here is one we really should all agree on: that making political demands by threatening actions that hurt the country is not the system of government described in the COnstitution. Blackmail is not a valid repolacement to democracy.

    If you do not ike the laws of the land vote ENOUGH people into office to change things. If you remain in a minority to the extent you cannot win the votes in Congress then you are in the minority. You should keep trying if you feel it is important. But our Constitution lays out how lawas are made and laws are changed. If you do not like democracy you are free to leave this country and find another place to live. 

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    I agree. The house is definitely within their constitutional power to defund a law!

    The senate refused vote on it until an ammendment was added restoring the funds, the house reject that, so on and so forth!

    Both parties are playing politics and holding the country hostage. More than half those polled support defunding the ACA!

    What about the will of the American people who have sent several signed petitions to congress with millions of signatures demanding a stop to the ACA??

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

     

     

     



    I respectfully disagree.  This is John Boehner's government shutdown.  He is the only member of Congress who had the power to stop this.

     

     

    When confronted with a choice of saving his high ranking position, or keeping government open by putting a clean bill to a vote, he chose the former.

    Today is actually a day he should be crying.

     



    That pre-supposes the SOTH has any semblance of control over his majority caucus.

     

     

    Clearly, he has none.

     

     




    He does control what bills are brought to the floor.

     

    He could allow the HoR bill that the Senate voted on to come up for a vote but he won't because he knows it would pass with Dem and moderate gop-er support.

     




    Bingo.

    Boehner has cemented his place as the worst House Speaker in modern history by aiding and abetting right-wing house zealots who don't believe in the legislative process.

    In addition to Boehner, an ignorant electorate that promotes Know-Nothings and right-wing zealots in government is our problem.

    If ignorance is bliss, then i'm sure there are a lot of smiling people in the South today.

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

     

     

     



    I respectfully disagree.  This is John Boehner's government shutdown.  He is the only member of Congress who had the power to stop this.

     

     

    When confronted with a choice of saving his high ranking position, or keeping government open by putting a clean bill to a vote, he chose the former.

    Today is actually a day he should be crying.

     

     



    That pre-supposes the SOTH has any semblance of control over his majority caucus.

     

     

    Clearly, he has none.

     

     

     




    He does control what bills are brought to the floor.

     

    He could allow the HoR bill that the Senate voted on to come up for a vote but he won't because he knows it would pass with Dem and moderate gop-er support.

     



    Except he can't do that because some of his GOP mates have ordered him not to.

    The man barely has the courage of his own convictions.  Sad, indeed.

     

     

     
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    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government




    A wasteful and corrupt government that is full of politicians that care more about hurting the other party and getting re-elected than doing whats right for the American people and given the people a voice!!

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     
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    I agree. The house is definitely within their constitutional power to defund a law!

    The senate refused vote on it until an ammendment was added restoring the funds, the house reject that, so on and so forth!

    Both parties are playing politics and holding the country hostage. More than half those polled support defunding the ACA!

    What about the will of the American people who have sent several signed petitions to congress with millions of signatures demanding a stop to the ACA??



    Whether they "have the power" or not, the question is whether they should...

    ...and wide majorities disapprove of this course of action.

    They want the law fixed, not defunded or repealed...and especially not held up as a bargaining chip for funding normal govt operations.

    What about the will of the millions of people who need the law to be able to afford decent health coverage...plus those who want to help them?  

    They are the majority opinion, fwiw, and they comprise a much wider, more representative swath of the public than the tee partee could ever dream of.

     

     

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     




    They have the right by a perversion of democracy known as the Hastert Rule.

    I think its time the Supreme Court took a look at this.

     
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    Re: Just for the RECORD,

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    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government

     

     




    A wasteful and corrupt government that is full of politicians that care more about hurting the other party and getting re-elected than doing whats right for the American people and given the people a voice!!

     

     

     



    That includes wasteful and corrupt politicians in the house and senate as well as every state house and city hall the nation over.

     

    So, what's your point...!?

     

    The people spoke.  They like and trust POTUS more than they do either party or chamber.

     

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     



    Again, I'm not sure that's a "right" as much as a decision to abdicate responsibility.

    But I'm pretty certain their responsibility as members is to vote on bills...even if they abstain...point being to get them in the record and y'know...governing.

     

     

     

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

     

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     

     

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     

     

     



    Again, I'm not sure that's a "right" as much as a decision to abdicate responsibility.

     

    But I'm pretty certain their responsibility as members is to vote on bills...even if they abstain...point being to get them in the record and y'know...governing.

     

     

     



    Right because of course we don't know how the vote would go at all....along party lines. The Repubs refusing to vote on it puts them on record. 

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     

     

     

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

     

     

     

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     

     

     

     

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Again, I'm not sure that's a "right" as much as a decision to abdicate responsibility.

     

     

     

    But I'm pretty certain their responsibility as members is to vote on bills...even if they abstain...point being to get them in the record and y'know...governing.

     

     

     

     

     



    Right because of course we don't know how the vote would go at all....along party lines. The Repubs refusing to vote on it puts them on record. 

     

     

     



    No, it doesn't.  It absolves them of their sworn duty to vote "yea", "nay", or "meh" on matters of governance which come before them.  The Congressional Record is the only one that really matters. (The Constitution says so.)

     

    If they're not going to vote, then why should anyone, ever?

     

    We'll leave aside for a moment their other duty: to compromise on legislation, which is not, nor ever been the same thing as "weakness".

     

    And if it would indeed go "along party lines", then why is the Speaker so afraid to bring it to a vote...?

     

     
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    "Negotiation" my __. The GOP is holding America hostage unless the Dems undo their own legislation before it goes into effect. You know it, I know it, and everyone know it.

     



    It's easy to be a cowarded and just call people liars I guess huh? lol

    you said "The GOP is holding America hostage unless the Dems undo their own legislation before it goes into effect"

    How is putting themselves back under the legislation istead of opting themselves out "undoing" the legislation?

    How is delaying a tax on medical devices "undoing it"?

    be honest!

    The dems could have easily said "we will put ourselves back under the plan and delay the tax for a year" That or even one of them would have been a sign of compromise but, no they say f-u and the american people we dont want to be in it but, you sure will be and we'll keep the taxes that hurt small business it too!!

     



    Regardless of whether one likes or does not like RomneyCare the issue here is one we really should all agree on: that making political demands by threatening actions that hurt the country is not the system of government described in the COnstitution. Blackmail is not a valid repolacement to democracy.

     

    If you do not ike the laws of the land vote ENOUGH people into office to change things. If you remain in a minority to the extent you cannot win the votes in Congress then you are in the minority. You should keep trying if you feel it is important. But our Constitution lays out how lawas are made and laws are changed. If you do not like democracy you are free to leave this country and find another place to live. 



    Obamacare is hurtingthe country.  the evidence is there.

    So, stopping it, dissent, if you will, is the highest form of patriotism.

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

    That said, there ARE certain congress critters actively working to discredit and sabotage government - and by extension themselves - by any means possible.  This is unarguable and only serves to drive the body's credibility lower.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    That's ridiculous.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The HoR voted on an appropriations bill.

    They sent it to the Senate where, under the Constitution, they have the right to modify it.

    They gave every senator a vote and the ACA amendment was defeated.

    They sent that same bill back to the HoR.

    The HoR refuses to hold a vote.

     

     

     

     

     

     



    And the HoR has the right to not vote on the changed bill

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not sure about that.

     

     

     

     

     

    They should at least put it up for a vote.

    If it fails again, then back to the Senate it goes.

     

     

     

     

     



    Is it against the law to not vote on it? Then they have the right to not vote on it. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the RIGHT

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Again, I'm not sure that's a "right" as much as a decision to abdicate responsibility.

     

     

     

    But I'm pretty certain their responsibility as members is to vote on bills...even if they abstain...point being to get them in the record and y'know...governing.

     

     

     

     

     



    Right because of course we don't know how the vote would go at all....along party lines. The Repubs refusing to vote on it puts them on record. 

     

     

     



    No, it doesn't.  It absolves them of their sworn duty to vote "yea", "nay", or "meh" on matters of governance which come before them.  The Congressional Record is the only one that really matters. (The Constitution says so.)

     

    If they're not going to vote, then why should anyone, ever?

     

    We'll leave aside for a moment their other duty: to compromise on legislation, which is not, nor ever been the same thing as "weakness".

     

    And if it would indeed go "along party lines", then why is the Speaker so afraid to bring it to a vote...?

     



    Ok, I take not wanting to vote on the changed bill as a 'no', but hey...I'm funny like that. Anywho....

     
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    Whether they "have the power" or not, the question is whether they should...

     

     

    What about the will of the millions of people who need the law to be able to afford decent health coverage...plus those who want to help them?   


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    What about these people?

     

    1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

    Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

    2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

    3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

    4) Maryland: 13,000 individuals covered by Aetna and its recently-purchased Coventry Health Care won’t be able to keep their insurance plans if they want Obamacare subsidies on the exchanges. Aetna and Coventry canceled plans to offer insurance in the exchange when state officials wouldn’t allow them to charge premiums high enough to cover costs.

    5) South Carolina: 28,000 people were insured by Medical Mutual of Ohio, SC’s second-largest insurance company, until it decided to leave the state entirely in July due to Obamacare’s “vast and quite complex” new regulations. Company spokesman Ed Byers said Medical Mutual’s patients would be switched over to United Healthcare plans instead.

    6) New York: Aetna pulled out of New York’s exchange in late August in an effort to keep their plans “financially viable,” said Aetna spokeswoman Cynthia Michener.

    7) New Jersey: 1.1 million Aetna customers are at risk in New Jersey, where the leading insurer also won’t be a part of the exchange. Just 2,600 patients purchase individual plans with the company, but any looking to take advantage of subsidies on the exchange for unaffordable employer-based insurance won’t be able to do with Aetna.

    8) Iowa: Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Iowa’s largest health insurer, decided not to offer plans in the Obamacare exchange. It sells 86 percent of Iowa’s individual health insurance plans.

    9) Wisconsin: Two of the three largest insurers in the state won’t offer plans on the exchange. United Healthcare and Humana patients will have to get a new health insurer to buy insurance on Obamacare exchanges.

    10) Georgia: Just five insurers are participating in Georgia’s Obamacare exchange. Medical Mutual of Ohio left Georgia and Indiana as well as South Carolina, due to Obamacare regulations. Aetna, along with Coventry, also decided against participating in the George health exchange.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/28/ten-states-where-obamacare-wipes-out-existing-health-care-plans/#ixzz2gUWATxbk

     
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    Regardless of whether one likes or does not like RomneyCare the issue here is one we really should all agree on: that making political demands by threatening actions that hurt the country is not the system of government described in the COnstitution. Blackmail is not a valid repolacement to democracy.

     

    If you do not ike the laws of the land vote ENOUGH people into office to change things. If you remain in a minority to the extent you cannot win the votes in Congress then you are in the minority. You should keep trying if you feel it is important. But our Constitution lays out how lawas are made and laws are changed. If you do not like democracy you are free to leave this country and find another place to live. 



    I agree. The house is definitely within their constitutional power to defund a law!

    The senate refused vote on it until an ammendment was added restoring the funds, the house reject that, so on and so forth!

    Both parties are playing politics and holding the country hostage. More than half those polled support defunding the ACA!

    What about the will of the American people who have sent several signed petitions to congress with millions of signatures demanding a stop to the ACA??




    You're so wrong it's amusing.

    First of all, the HoR doesn't have the 'power' to defund anything unilaterally. That is why we have a bi-cameral Congress, both chambers have a vote and any bill has to be approved by both chambers.

    Second, the Senate didn't add any amendments, they removed the HoR amendments by a straight up-or-down vote. Every senator got a vote and the amendment was defeated.

    Third, the HoR now refuses to allow a vote on the same bill that the senate voted on.

    Finally, polls show that even those who support defunding ACA do not want the wingnuts to do it through this process.



Just as amusing when the executive branch decided that they would not implement large swaths of our immigration law?

Or just as amusing when things were added to Obamacare without going through the legislative process?

Or just as amusing when Obama, by executive order, delayed the employer mandate, yet now is stonewalling the very same delay for individuals?

You are right.  this is amusing watching the democrats dig in on Obamacare, despite the dameage it is doing, so they can line their pockets against the interests of the American people.

 
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    "Negotiation" my __. The GOP is holding America hostage unless the Dems undo their own legislation before it goes into effect. You know it, I know it, and everyone know it.

     



    It's easy to be a cowarded and just call people liars I guess huh? lol

    you said "The GOP is holding America hostage unless the Dems undo their own legislation before it goes into effect"

    How is putting themselves back under the legislation istead of opting themselves out "undoing" the legislation?

    How is delaying a tax on medical devices "undoing it"?

    be honest!

    The dems could have easily said "we will put ourselves back under the plan and delay the tax for a year" That or even one of them would have been a sign of compromise but, no they say f-u and the american people we dont want to be in it but, you sure will be and we'll keep the taxes that hurt small business it too!!

     

     



    Regardless of whether one likes or does not like RomneyCare the issue here is one we really should all agree on: that making political demands by threatening actions that hurt the country is not the system of government described in the COnstitution. Blackmail is not a valid repolacement to democracy.

     

     

    If you do not ike the laws of the land vote ENOUGH people into office to change things. If you remain in a minority to the extent you cannot win the votes in Congress then you are in the minority. You should keep trying if you feel it is important. But our Constitution lays out how lawas are made and laws are changed. If you do not like democracy you are free to leave this country and find another place to live. 

     



    Obamacare is hurtingthe country.  the evidence is there.

     



    No, it really isn't, and no, it's really not.

     

     

     
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    Whether they "have the power" or not, the question is whether they should...

     

     

    What about the will of the millions of people who need the law to be able to afford decent health coverage...plus those who want to help them?   


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    What about these people?

     

    1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s third largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

    Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

    2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

    3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

    4) Maryland: 13,000 individuals covered by Aetna and its recently-purchased Coventry Health Care won’t be able to keep their insurance plans if they want Obamacare subsidies on the exchanges. Aetna and Coventry canceled plans to offer insurance in the exchange when state officials wouldn’t allow them to charge premiums high enough to cover costs.

    5) South Carolina: 28,000 people were insured by Medical Mutual of Ohio, SC’s second-largest insurance company, until it decided to leave the state entirely in July due to Obamacare’s “vast and quite complex” new regulations. Company spokesman Ed Byers said Medical Mutual’s patients would be switched over to United Healthcare plans instead.

    6) New York: Aetna pulled out of New York’s exchange in late August in an effort to keep their plans “financially viable,” said Aetna spokeswoman Cynthia Michener.

    7) New Jersey: 1.1 million Aetna customers are at risk in New Jersey, where the leading insurer also won’t be a part of the exchange. Just 2,600 patients purchase individual plans with the company, but any looking to take advantage of subsidies on the exchange for unaffordable employer-based insurance won’t be able to do with Aetna.

    8) Iowa: Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Iowa’s largest health insurer, decided not to offer plans in the Obamacare exchange. It sells 86 percent of Iowa’s individual health insurance plans.

    9) Wisconsin: Two of the three largest insurers in the state won’t offer plans on the exchange. United Healthcare and Humana patients will have to get a new health insurer to buy insurance on Obamacare exchanges.

    10) Georgia: Just five insurers are participating in Georgia’s Obamacare exchange. Medical Mutual of Ohio left Georgia and Indiana as well as South Carolina, due to Obamacare regulations. Aetna, along with Coventry, also decided against participating in the George health exchange.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/28/ten-states-where-obamacare-wipes-out-existing-health-care-plans/#ixzz2gUWATxbk



    Cherry picking some reluctant insurers because you've lost your argument...??

    Weak.

     

    Their lack of participation in the exchanges is a reflection upon the state governments' ability to set them up (those that actually gave a hoot enough to do so).   

     

     
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    No, it really isn't, and no, it's really not.




    That's one opinion, Millions disagree with!

     
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    No, it really isn't, and no, it's really not.

     




    That's one opinion, Millions disagree with!

     



    And millions more agree with.

     

    Yet, here we are.

     

     

     

     
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    I'll place the responsibility on ALL 535 members of Congress.

    No single one of them is immune from reproach or has clean hands in this.

     

     

     

     



    I respectfully disagree.  This is John Boehner's government shutdown.  He is the only member of Congress who had the power to stop this.

     

     

    When confronted with a choice of saving his high ranking position, or keeping government open by putting a clean bill to a vote, he chose the former.

    Today is actually a day he should be crying.

     

     



    That pre-supposes the SOTH has any semblance of control over his majority caucus.

     

     

    Clearly, he has none.

     

     

     




    He does control what bills are brought to the floor.

     

    He could allow the HoR bill that the Senate voted on to come up for a vote but he won't because he knows it would pass with Dem and moderate gop-er support.

     



    So what?  the bill wouldn't have passed.

    All you are doing is crowing about some lame proceure on the part of the House, while totally ignoring that Reid and OBama are totally stonewalling the legislative process.

     

    Nice.

     
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    Seems there's nothing left to say but "nuh-uh" and "yuh-uh"

     

    I offer the following observations:

     

    1. Honest people may say that Obamacare is terrible but this is more or less the worst way to go about fighting it. Dishonest people will blame the Dems because they simply don't care about the means and the effect the GOP tactics have on the country.

    2. If you thought the world was laughing at America because of Obama....good lord look at what congress is inviting.

    3. Obama is a turd sandwich, but once the GOP gears up and uses its tactics, BOY does he look tasty in comparison.

     

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