VA Scandal An Example Of 'Government' Healthcare

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    VA Scandal An Example Of 'Government' Healthcare

    Government bureaucrats care mostly about covering their arses and getting their bonuses...this is what we signed on for with ObamaCare...


    Socialist Bernie Sanders is leading the charge to defend the Government...no surprise there.


    After the Department of Veterans Affairs has been accused and criticized for making veterans wait long periods of time for medical care and possibly being the cause for deaths at a Phoenix, Arizona veterans hospital, Rep. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) is saying that the Obama administration scandal is an example of healthcare run by the federal government.


    “What the VA has allegedly done is another example of what happens when the government controls healthcare,” said Cassidy. “The system lines up to serve the bureaucrat—when the bureaucrat has the power, the patient suffers.”
    Cassidy said the recently exposed deaths of possibly 40 veterans who were waiting for medical care at the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care hospital are “horrifying,” demanding an investigation into the Obama scandal.


    “The recent deaths of veterans waiting for care proved this point, said Cassidy. “Because it’s affecting our veterans, it’s even more horrifying and inexcusable. I fully support an investigation into this matter, and will continue to push for patient-centered reforms. Every American should have access to quality medical care.”


    The revelations regarding the deaths of the veterans at the Phoenix hospital came in the form of a “secret list.” The list was part of a plan created by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to cover up the fact that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor.


    Turns out that top management and personnel at the VA hospital in Phoenix knew about the hospital’s practice of making veterans wait extended periods of time and even defended it. According to Dr. Sam Foote, who just retired after 24 years with the VA system in Phoenix, the scheme was highly elaborate and top management went to great lengths to cover it up.


    According to Foote, the elaborate scheme in Phoenix involved shredding evidence to hide the long list of veterans waiting for appointments and care. Officials at the VA, Foote says, instructed their staff to not actually make doctor’s appointments for veterans within the computer system.


    Instead, Foote says, when a veteran comes in seeking an appointment, “they enter information into the computer and do a screen capture hard copy printout. They then do not save what was put into the computer so there’s no record that you were ever here,” he said.


    According to Foote, the information was gathered on the secret electronic list and then the information that would show when veterans first began waiting for an appointment was actually destroyed.
    Foote told CNN that he believes the number of veterans currently on the Phoenix VA system secret waiting list ranges from 1,400 and 1,600. And, Foote said the waiting times that were supposed to be reported to Washington were never actually reported.


     

     
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    The corruption and incompetence of government bureaucrats is endless. Why the moonbats want more of it instead of less is mind-boggling. The more they get the ahold of the worse it gets. Nothing government does is less expensive and better quality, nothing. So you hand over to them only what is necessary. Small parts of healthcare - sure, but the way it is now we are just going to get hosed in terms of cost and quality of care if we let them go too far.

    Another example - Dept of Defense. They could mess up a wet dream. But where else can you go for defending the country?

     
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

     
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    I almost forgot - kudos to CLC for finally being able to spot socialism.

     
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    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.

    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?

     
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    Kudos to Dirty Water for his suggested 'solution' for Government failures....double down and fund more of the failure....

    Seems like that is always the progressive solution...

     

     
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.

    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?

    [/QUOTE]


    Highly unlikely....when private companies fail or make mistakes, the blame is deflected to unnamed regulations.

     
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.

    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?

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    Apples and oranges.

    Mistakes in health care treatment is not what this is about.

    This is about deliberate corrupt acts that resulted in the deaths of patients. It is criminal activity. Are you so gung ho on government that you want crimes to go without investigation and justice? Explain that to the families of vets who died for what you are supporting.

     

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.

    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?

    [/QUOTE]


    Highly unlikely....when private companies fail or make mistakes, the blame is deflected to unnamed regulations.

    [/QUOTE]

    What happened in AZ was not a mistake. It was a deliberate criminal act.

    Mistakes get made in healthcare and there are rules and regulations to deal with them. Providers get fired, lose their licenses to practice, etc. If the blame for that all gets shifted to regulations, then how do you even know it happened?

    Wow. I'm beginning to think you have the morality of a gnat.

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:


    In response to high-road's comment:


    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.
    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?


    Highly unlikely....when private companies fail or make mistakes, the blame is deflected to unnamed regulations.


    What happened in AZ was not a mistake. It was a deliberate criminal act.

    Mistakes get made in healthcare and there are rules and regulations to deal with them. Providers get fired, lose their licenses to practice, etc. If the blame for that all gets shifted to regulations, then how do you even know it happened?


    Wow. I'm beginning to think you have the morality of a gnat.



    Bullshiat.



    If it is true that doctors lose their license over these deaths then that would mean that about 10,000 doctors/year would lose their license ... at 10 patients per doctor for 100,000 deaths.


    It's nice that you have such a vivid imagination and can make up any fantasy in your head you like but that isn't a valid argument.


    Private healthcare is much more secretive than the VA and no details are ever released to the public. That means no one knows the reasons for all these deaths, what actions were taken or even if people were disciplined.


    It always amazes me how people jump on a story if confirms their bias while completely ignoring an even worse situation within a the system they blindly put their faith in.


    Ignorance really is bliss for some people.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    Kudos to Dirty Water for his suggested 'solution' for Government failures....double down and fund more of the failure....

    Seems like that is always the progressive solution...

     

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    More funding is an appropriate solution to being underfunded. 

     
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    I heard that appointments at VA hospitals rose by 50% last year while the number of docs rose by 9%.  So maybe the overriding issue is a lack of funding.  Maybe the VA's budget should be tied to the overall pentagon budget or maybe it's entirely funded by a tax on defense contractors.  


    Yes, hiding the waiting list for seeing a doc is bad.  But not having enough docs to see all the patients is worse.  Fix the second problem, and the first problem disappears.

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    The corruption and incompetence of government bureaucrats is endless. Why the moonbats want more of it instead of less is mind-boggling. The more they get the ahold of the worse it gets. Nothing government does is less expensive and better quality, nothing. So you hand over to them only what is necessary. Small parts of healthcare - sure, but the way it is now we are just going to get hosed in terms of cost and quality of care if we let them go too far.

    Another example - Dept of Defense. They could mess up a wet dream. But where else can you go for defending the country?

    [/QUOTE]B I N G O   DAT !!!!


     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

     

     

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    In response to UserName9's comment:

     

     

    In response to high-road's comment:


    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.
    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?


    Highly unlikely....when private companies fail or make mistakes, the blame is deflected to unnamed regulations.


    What happened in AZ was not a mistake. It was a deliberate criminal act.

    Mistakes get made in healthcare and there are rules and regulations to deal with them. Providers get fired, lose their licenses to practice, etc. If the blame for that all gets shifted to regulations, then how do you even know it happened?


    Wow. I'm beginning to think you have the morality of a gnat.

     

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    Bullshiat.

     



    If it is true that doctors lose their license over these deaths then that would mean that about 10,000 doctors/year would lose their license ... at 10 patients per doctor for 100,000 deaths.

     

    It's nice that you have such a vivid imagination and can make up any fantasy in your head you like but that isn't a valid argument.

     

    Private healthcare is much more secretive than the VA and no details are ever released to the public. That means no one knows the reasons for all these deaths, what actions were taken or even if people were disciplined.

     

    It always amazes me how people jump on a story if confirms their bias while completely ignoring an even worse situation within a the system they blindly put their faith in.

     

    Ignorance really is bliss for some people.

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    If it is so secretive how do you know that 100,000 people every year from mistakes in healthcare treatment?

    You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference between a mistake, malpractice and a crime.

    You respond to criticism of corruption and criminal behavior in government run healthcare with irrelevant "facts" about people dying from mistakes at "private" hospitals. DO you think there are no people dying from mistakes at the VA? Are you nuts?

    If you think private health care is so "secretive" then apparently you are ignorant of secrets exposed to the public about physicians, their credentials their work history and malpractice records

     

    http://www.mass.gov/portal/health-safety/healthcare/providers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mass.gov/portal/health-safety/healthcare/providers/

     

    If the VA is so "open" then I am sure you can produce some statistics on how many patients die from mistakes there.

     

     
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    I heard that appointments at VA hospitals rose by 50% last year while the number of docs rose by 9%.  So maybe the overriding issue is a lack of funding.  Maybe the VA's budget should be tied to the overall pentagon budget or maybe it's entirely funded by a tax on defense contractors.  

     

    Yes, hiding the waiting list for seeing a doc is bad.  But not having enough docs to see all the patients is worse.  Fix the second problem, and the first problem disappears.

    [/QUOTE]

    Librul ethics on display here. Criminal and negligent behavior are from a lack of funding. Rotten character and lousy management have nothing to do with it.

     

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    I heard that appointments at VA hospitals rose by 50% last year while the number of docs rose by 9%.  So maybe the overriding issue is a lack of funding.  Maybe the VA's budget should be tied to the overall pentagon budget or maybe it's entirely funded by a tax on defense contractors.  

     

    Yes, hiding the waiting list for seeing a doc is bad.  But not having enough docs to see all the patients is worse.  Fix the second problem, and the first problem disappears.

    [/QUOTE]

    Librul ethics on display here. Criminal and negligent behavior are from a lack of funding. Rotten character and lousy management have nothing to do with it.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    You seem not to comprehend the issues.  The VA falsified true wait times.  Had they not falsified the wait times, then the true wait times are recorded.  That's all.  No one new gets to see a doctor.  None of the people that died would have lived.

    you somehow make the leap that had the wait times been accurate, then more people would have seen a doctor.  Not true.  Instead of a report saying the wait time is 10 days, it's 30 days. Period.

    the only way to shorten the wait time is to either shorten the amount of time a doctor spends with a patient or add more docs.  Either a doc has to see more patients or they add more docss.

    greater accuracy does not solve the true problem of long wait times.

    conservative problem solving on display here.  Misunderstand the issue.  Implement solution that has no impact.

     
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Obamacare and VA: different means to the same ends.

    Once government calls the shots, the flow of the money is rendered meaningless in terms of identifying Obamacare as somehow a private sector solution.

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    Kudos to Dirty Water for his suggested 'solution' for Government failures....double down and fund more of the failure....

    Seems like that is always the progressive solution...

     

    [/QUOTE]


    More funding is an appropriate solution to being underfunded. 

    [/QUOTE]

    To the extent this is a funding issue: the problem is not the raw funding, but the mechanism by which it is spent. Vouchers would be a better, still not perfect, system, in terms of meeting the program goals.

    Once you start hiring government workers, who are answerable to no one outside of the political apparatus, the program goals have been compromised.

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:



    Again with the anecdotal incidents trying to be used to condemn the whole.

    So with well over 100,000 preventable deaths in US hospitals every year are you now going to condemn the entire private healthcare system?

    Highly unlikely....when private companies fail or make mistakes, the blame is deflected to unnamed regulations.



    What happened in AZ was not a mistake. It was a deliberate criminal act.


    Mistakes get made in healthcare and there are rules and regulations to deal with them. Providers get fired, lose their licenses to practice, etc. If the blame for that all gets shifted to regulations, then how do you even know it happened?



    Wow. I'm beginning to think you have the morality of a gnat.


    Bullshiat.



    If it is true that doctors lose their license over these deaths then that would mean that about 10,000 doctors/year would lose their license ... at 10 patients per doctor for 100,000 deaths.


    It's nice that you have such a vivid imagination and can make up any fantasy in your head you like but that isn't a valid argument.



     Private healthcare is much more secretive than the VA and no details are ever released to the public. That means no one knows the reasons for all these deaths, what actions were taken or even if people were disciplined.


     It always amazes me how people jump on a story if confirms their bias while completely ignoring an even worse situation within a the system they blindly put their faith in.



    Ignorance really is bliss for some people.
     
     
    If it is so secretive how do you know that 100,000 people every year from mistakes in healthcare treatment?
    You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference between a mistake, malpractice and a crime. You respond to criticism of corruption and criminal behavior in government run healthcare with irrelevant "facts" about people dying from mistakes at "private" hospitals. DO you think there are no people dying from mistakes at the VA? Are you nuts?
    If you think private health care is so "secretive" then apparently you are ignorant of secrets exposed to the public about physicians, their credentials their work history and malpractice records
    http://www.mass.gov/portal/health-safety/healthcare/providers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mass.gov/portal/health-safety/healthcare/providers/
     
    If the VA is so "open" then I am sure you can produce some statistics on how many patients die from mistakes there.




    Hey spanky, they're estimates because as the study authors pointed out:


    "These numbers are not absolutes. There is no definitive study -- which is part of the problem -- but all of the available research indicates that the death toll from preventable medical injuries approaches 200,000 per year in the United States....Secrecy built into the system has long kept both the scope of the crisis and the specific problem areas out of public view."


    As for the VA system and wrongful deaths:


    "In the decade after 9/11, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs paid $200 million to nearly 1,000 families in wrongful death cases."


    And we know this because:


    "...through information obtained from the VA through the Freedom of Information Act."


    No such system exists in the private sector to track these wrongful deaths.


    So pull your head out and quit believing all those voices in your head.


     


    http://www.cironline.org/reports/va-pays-out-200-million-nearly-1000-veterans%E2%80%99-wrongful-deaths-6236" rel="nofollow


    http://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx" rel="nofollow"


     


    And quit with the anecdotal bullcrappe. You found one state website with doctor reviews... out of how many states?


    And why would you trust that website .... it's the product of that gubmit socialized medicine called romneycare.


    I guess that 'socialized' medicine really does work, eh spanky.


    Hilarious!!!

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Obamacare and VA: different means to the same ends.

    Once government calls the shots, the flow of the money is rendered meaningless in terms of identifying Obamacare as somehow a private sector solution.

    [/QUOTE]


    Just shut up already.

    You're just regurgitating whacko wingnut echo chamber horsehockey without knowing anything of which you babble.

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Kudos to Dirty Water for his suggested 'solution' for Government failures....double down and fund more of the failure....

    Seems like that is always the progressive solution...

     

    [/QUOTE]


    More funding is an appropriate solution to being underfunded. 

    [/QUOTE]

    To the extent this is a funding issue: the problem is not the raw funding, but the mechanism by which it is spent. Vouchers would be a better, still not perfect, system, in terms of meeting the program goals.

    Once you start hiring government workers, who are answerable to no one outside of the political apparatus, the program goals have been compromised.

    [/QUOTE]

    Blah blah blah.  Government workers are answerable to no one?  Really?  I always thought government workers were answerable to elected officials who were answerable to the electorate. 

    The government is inefficient because it does not respond to market forces.  Not because workers don't answer to anyone.

    the VA was given a budget that was inadequate. VA docs were given high marks for quality care.  They saw 50 % more patients last year than in previous years with a 9% increase in docs.  Despite the increase in productivity, there were still long wait times.

    vouchers?  How does that help?  Vouchers for what?  How about rolling the VA with Tricare, the health insurance for retired military, sell or close VA hospitals, and be done with it?  Vouchers?  Right, because let's not use solutions that are already working.  Let's come up with brand new ones.  

    Vouchers are subsidies.  Weren't you just spouting nonsense against subsidies on some other thread?

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Obamacare and VA: different means to the same ends.

    Once government calls the shots, the flow of the money is rendered meaningless in terms of identifying Obamacare as somehow a private sector solution.

    [/QUOTE]

    Absolute meaningless drivel.  You have no clue about ObamaCare or the VA.  

     
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Obamacare and VA: different means to the same ends.

    Once government calls the shots, the flow of the money is rendered meaningless in terms of identifying Obamacare as somehow a private sector solution.

    [/QUOTE]

    Absolute meaningless drivel.  You have no clue about ObamaCare or the VA.  

    [/QUOTE]

    Sure I do. 

    But that's not what.'s driving you insane: it's that government has failed at providing in health care AND health insurance, and it drives you insane that conservatives are and were right on this.

     
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    The VA is Government run health care.  And it in no ways resembles ObamaCare.  The Government owns the insurance company, owns the hospitals, employs the doc - everything.

    The quality of the care is great at the VA.  The problem is the quantity of care.  There are enough docs and that's because - the VAs budget is too small.  Yep, the problem with the VA is laid at the feet of Republicans who refuse to give it appropriate funding.

    They should get rid of the VA, give disabled vets TriCare, which is what retired servicemen get, and have TriCare contract with hospitals to provide Vet specific care.

    And alternative is to outsource the VA to Boeing.  Let Boeing roll in their lobbying efforts for defense contracts with the VA and get some real funding.

    Of course the big scandal is with hiding the time it takes to get an appointment and not with the length of time it takes to get an appointment. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Obamacare and VA: different means to the same ends.

    Once government calls the shots, the flow of the money is rendered meaningless in terms of identifying Obamacare as somehow a private sector solution.

    [/QUOTE]

    Absolute meaningless drivel.  You have no clue about ObamaCare or the VA.  

    [/QUOTE]

    Sure I do. 

    But that's not what.'s driving you insane: it's that government has failed at providing in health care AND health insurance, and it drives you insane that conservatives are and were right on this.

    [/QUOTE]

    Medicare and Tricare are failures?  My parents love Tricare.

     
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    Re: VA Scandal An Example Of 'Government' Healthcare

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House chief of staff says President Barack Obama is ‘‘madder than hell’’ about reports of treatment delays at veterans’ hospitals across the country.

    Top aide Denis McDonough tells CBS’ ‘‘Face the Nation’’ that Obama is demanding that Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki (shin-SEHK'-ee) and others in the administration ‘‘continue to fix these things until they’re functioning the way that our veterans believe they should.’’


    Allegations of preventable deaths that may be linked to delays at the Phoenix VA hospital have triggered an election-year uproar.

    On Friday, the top official for veterans’ health care resigned.

    House Republicans have set a vote for Wednesday on legislation that would give Shinseki greater power to fire or demote executives and administrators at the agency and its 152 medical centers.

     

     



    http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/05/18/aide-obama-madder-than-hell-over-allegations/rY9EvmS9wbLwXY4hhPjiwK/story.html

     

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