10 Years Ago Today

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    97% of all Americans deaths in Iraq happened after the 'mission accomplished' speech which is why goper political partisans liked the speech so much... they didn't have to think of the 3800 MORE American lives lost in Iraq because their court jester told them everything was just fine.... now go shopping dang it, these American deaths are nothing to be concerned about.

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    So Obama mentioning the word terror in a long statement; means he specifically called the benghazi attack an act of terror but, Mission accomplished which arguably would of meant the end of the massive bombardment from the previous days and weeks of the country; to the far left it means no more combat activities or deaths?

    great!

    BTW: both were idiots!

     
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    So Obama mentioning the word terror in a long statement; means he specifically called the benghazi attack an act of terror but, Mission accomplished which arguably would of meant the end of the massive bombardment from the previous days and weeks of the country; to the far left it means no more combat activities or deaths?

     

    For the record Bush never acually said "mission accomplished" in his speech that day. The banner, as I understand it, was placed there by the naval personnel on the ship to congratulate themselves on the completion of their mission.

     
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    He called it a terrorist attack the next day. Period.

    Read it again, it's pretty ambiguous. What isn't ambiguous is that then next day it was walked back in order to scapegoat some poor shmendrik who's probably still in jail and, I guess, prove his Islamic butt-kissing bona fides.

     

     

     
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    "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." "Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment"

    Exactly, and all quite true at the time.

     

     
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    "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." "Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment"

     Exactly, and all quite true at the time.

    So for what purpose did Bush order the surge, that increased troop levels by 5 brigades and extended the tours of all troops in a country we 'prevailed' over?

    The most intense "combat operations" of the entire war came in Fallujah, a year after the supposed 'accomplishment'.

    97% of all deaths occurred after we 'prevailed'.

    I guess it's "winning", Charlie Sheen style.



    War is unpredictable.

    What you should know but, are likely not willing to admit for political reasons is that "Major combat operations" had ended; the iraqi army and revolutionary guard had surrendered and we were no longer bombing from land, sea, and air around the clock.

     

     
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    So for what purpose did Bush order the surge, that increased troop levels by 5 brigades and extended the tours of all troops in a country we 'prevailed' over?

    Don't be obtuse. We defeated the regular forces of Iraq and that was worthy of celebration. It wasn't until months later when the power vacuum created by this victory allowed Islamic militants the opportunity to do what they do best, the bombing, killing, and torturing of anyone that has a different set of beliefs from theirs. A few years later they were defeated as well.

     
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    "We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We're pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons, and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated.

    We are helping to rebuild Iraq where the dictator built palaces for himself instead of hospitals and schools.

    And we will stand with the new leaders of Iraq as they establish a government of, by and for the Iraqi people.

    The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.

    The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on."

     

     

    Doesn't sound like "spiking the ball" to me.

     

     
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    " Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


    Except major combat operations hadn't ended and we needed more troops in country after his speech than before.

    "We have removed an ally of al-Qaida"


    No we hadn't. In fact we emboldened that terrorist group and in an Iraq that we didn't yet control, they flourished. There were more al-Qaida in Iraq after the speech than before.

    "In the Battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists, and the camps where they trained."


    No we hadn't. The Taliban are still operating in Afghanistan.



    Yes
    The 24-7 bombardment (MAJOR OPERATIONS) had ended!!

    Yes Saddam had given aid to al qaeda or allowed it to happen at least

    and Yes in Iraq al qaeda's camps were shut down.

     
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    But hey, why believe every foreign intelligence committee and foreign policy group when we have you to rewrite history.




    You are too partisan for real debate. Good day

     
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    " Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


    Except major combat operations hadn't ended and we needed more troops in country after his speech than before.

    "We have removed an ally of al-Qaida"


    No we hadn't. In fact we emboldened that terrorist group and in an Iraq that we didn't yet control, they flourished. There were more al-Qaida in Iraq after the speech than before.

    "In the Battle of Afghanistan, we destroyed the Taliban, many terrorists, and the camps where they trained."


    No we hadn't. The Taliban are still operating in Afghanistan.

     



    Yes
    The 24-7 bombardment (MAJOR OPERATIONS) had ended!!

     

    Yes Saddam had given aid to al qaeda or allowed it to happen at least

    and Yes in Iraq al qaeda's camps were shut down.

     

     




    So the surge of 5 battallions, over and above the forces in country, was not a major combat operation? Where I come from, if you deploy an additional 20,000 front-line combat troops that's a "major combat operation".

     

     

    If you need to deploy more troops in country and extend all deployments, then "major combat operations" are not over.

    If you do it to engage in the fiercest, bloodiest fighting of the war, then that is most certainly a "major COMBAT operation".

    If you suffer 97% more casualties after the speech than before, then you are engaging in "major combat operations".

    If these engagements are large enough to be designated with code names, (Operation Vigilant Resolve, Operation Phantom Fury) then you are certainly engaging in "military combat operations".

     

    I guess you would have more access to the pre and post-war intel than every major Congressional committee in Congress.

    The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.


    Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), a jihadist group of predominantly Sunni fighters, rose to prominence in the ashes of the U.S.-led invasion to oust Saddam Hussein. The insurgency that followed provided the group with fertile ground to wage a guerilla war against coalition forces and their domestic supporters.

    http://www.cfr.org/iraq/al-qaeda-iraq/p14811

     

    But hey, why believe every foreign intelligence committee and foreign policy group when we have you to rewrite history.



    Come on.  Forget about it.  It was a long time ago.  Twelve Bengazis, or so.

     
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    Come on.  Forget about it.  It was a long time ago.  Twelve Bengazis, or so.

     

     



    Those who wish to remain ignorant of history are destined to repeat it....

     

    Or are just plain ignorant.

    Your choice.

     




    Come on.  In the words of Obama's spokesman, it was a long time ago.  Twelve times as long ago as Bengazi.  Hence, 12 Bengazis ago.


    So, what do you think is more significant:  An attack on an embassy 8 months ago, or a speech ten years ago?

     

    Or are you just plain ignorant?  Your choice.

     
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