150 years ago on July 1st the Battle of Gettysburg was fought

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    We shouldn't be enemies we should work together to solve our country's problems

     
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    In the pre-Civil war period, southern slave owners represented about 2% of the population. (Does that percentage ring a bell?) Slavery discouraged immigration to the South, where wages already were scraping the bottom. Slavery held down the wages of the white workers as they were in competition with slaves. This caused the South to rely heavily on farming while the North developed industry and manufacturing.

    These factors weighted heavily on the outcome of the Civil War. In the end, the South could not overcome the superior strength of the North in terms of supplying their troops with enough material to win the war.

    The Confederate soldier fought for a system that did not provide him and his family enough to live a life of dignity. The disparity was stark in the South, the slaveholders became rich and the common folks had very little to look forward to. Most Confederate soldiers gave life and blood to a cause that provided very little for them.

    150 years later, and the same questions arise. Why would these men gives their lives to a cause that seemed to be not in their best interests? We face the same question today. Why do voters still support ideas and agendas that are seemingly against their interests?

     

     
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    Re: 150 years ago on July 1st the Battle of Gettysburg was fought

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    In the pre-Civil war period, southern slave owners represented about 2% of the population. (Does that percentage ring a bell?) Slavery discouraged immigration to the South, where wages already were scraping the bottom. Slavery held down the wages of the white workers as they were in competition with slaves. This caused the South to rely heavily on farming while the North developed industry and manufacturing.

    These factors weighted heavily on the outcome of the Civil War. In the end, the South could not overcome the superior strength of the North in terms of supplying their troops with enough material to win the war.

    The Confederate soldier fought for a system that did not provide him and his family enough to live a life of dignity. The disparity was stark in the South, the slaveholders became rich and the common folks had very little to look forward to. Most Confederate soldiers gave life and blood to a cause that provided very little for them.

    150 years later, and the same questions arise. Why would these men gives their lives to a cause that seemed to be not in their best interests? We face the same question today. Why do voters still support ideas and agendas that are seemingly against their interests?

     



    You are looking at history from a shallow Marxist "class" perspective.
    Men are willing to sacrifice for love of country, love of their homeland. Confederate soldiers didnt necessarily support slavery, but they considered the war an invasion of their homeland. They fought on the wrong side of freedom and human dignity, but they were Americans and fought bravely for what they thought was a just cause..

    Your idea that the South was  a "greedy capitalist" limited government society, doesnt really fit.Quite the opposite. The South with its "paternalistic" slavery system was the epitome of communism. 

     Southerners did not stop with an open defense of slavery. They went on to attack northern society for its 'wage slavery' and 'exploitation of workers,' using arguments repeated by socialist critics of capitalism. The southern writer who developed these arguments most extensively was George Fitzhugh, a Virginia planter and lawyer.  Fitzhugh defended slavery as a practical form of socialism that provided contented slaves with paternalistic masters, thereby eliminating harsh conflicts between employers and allegedly free workers. 'A Southern farm is the beau ideal of Communism; it is a joint concern, in which the slave ... is far happier, because ... he is always sure of support.' ... 'The best governed countries, and which have prospered the most, have always been distinguished for the number and stringency of their laws,' he wrote; 'liberty is an evil which government is intended to correct.'"

    Fitzhugh sounds like today's leftists...

     
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    Re: 150 years ago on July 1st the Battle of Gettysburg was fought

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    Marxism v. Ultra Nationalism: Which has wrought the worse harm?

     

    Marxism, not even close.

    In his book Red Holocaust, Steven Rosefielde argues that communism's internal contradictions "caused to be killed" approximately 60 million people and perhaps tens of millions more, and that this "Red Holocaust" – the peacetime mass killings and other related crimes against humanity perpetrated by Communist leaders such as Joseph Stalin, Kim Il Sung, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot—should be the centerpiece of any net assessment of communism. He states that the aforementioned leaders are "collectively guilty of holocaust-scale felonious homicides".

     
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    "Why do voters still support ideas and agendas that are seemingly against their interests?"

     

    Gee............you mean like these "voters"? 

    1) Black Americans: Over the last few decades, no group has been more fiercely loyal to the Democrats than black Americans. Typically, the Democrats capture 90% of the black vote nationwide. However, it's worth asking what black Americans actually get out of that deal. Sure, if you're Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Touré, it's a pretty good gig, but how does the average black American benefit from voting for the Democrats? Affirmative Action? That program helps very few people and it also leads to many black Americans getting into a college that they wouldn't normally qualify for with their academic record. Some people might call that a plus, but as a practical matter, it causes an inordinate number of the brightest, most promising young black Americans to flunk out of college when they could have graduated had they gone to less challenging schools.

    In return for that dubious bit of "help," the Democrats fight voucher programs that could get black students out of failing schools, laugh at black Americans who are Christian, pro-life and believe in God's definition of marriage and they do nothing of consequence to tackle the crime and drug problems that makes life so unbearable for many black Americans. The worst places in our country for black Americans to live are inevitably run by Democrats who've long since given up on improving the lives of their constituents.

    Economically, black Americans are still suffering under the Democrats as well. The numbers are so bad that they're almost hard to believe. "In 2009, the average net worth for white households was $113,149 and $5,700 for black households” while the unemployment rate for black Americans is double the rate for whites. Black Americans deserve a lot better than that from the people who serve them in government.

    2) Single Women: Did you know that Mitt Romney actually won married women 53-47 over Obama? However, Obama won single women in a landslide and that's not unusual. Single women tend to go heavily for the Democrats. The sad thing about that is Democrats pull it off by baiting a trap. They promise free birth control and abortion. They offer up welfare, food stamps and other programs that are designed to shoulder the financial load that a husband would in normal circumstances. Then they proceed to denigrate, demean and slime any conservative woman who opposes those things in the most vicious, nasty and grotesque manner possible.

    Why?

    Because a single woman struggling to survive is likely to take any help she can get from the Democrats and will return the favor by voting for them. On the other hand, a woman who's successful, financially secure and married is much more likely to vote Republican. This is true across every race, religion and demographic group. This is why, for example, Democrats have engineered a system where in many cases, "the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income and benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045.” They don't WANT single women to be independent and financially secure because that would make them more likely to vote Republican.

    No woman grows up wanting to stay permanently poor, single and dependent on the government for her survival, but for the Democrats to succeed, they need as many women as possible stuck in exactly that position.

    3) Unions: Even though the union membership is a little more split, the union bosses have thrown their lot in with the Democrat Party. This has paid some dividends for them because undeniably, the Democrats are bending over backwards to appease the unions. However, there is a heavy price to be paid for being totally tied to one political party.

    For one thing, union membership is death spiraling into oblivion. At one point, 34% of Americans were in a union, but now that number is down to "11.9 percent, the lowest rate in more than 70 years."

    Furthermore, because of the staggering cost of some of the pension deals that unions have previously negotiated for their members, there are cities and states facing a choice between honoring their previous agreements with unions or going bankrupt. What that means is that like it or not, union members are about to start taking haircuts all across the country.

    Since unions have allied themselves entirely with the Democrats, Republicans have every incentive to hurt the unions when they can, thwart any rule changes that would allow unions to grow and to try to cut as deeply as possible from the unions in any sort of bankruptcy deals. Sure, siding with the Democrats might maximize any gains that unions have already made, but it also almost guarantees their coming descent into oblivion.

    4) Young Americans: One of the best things about being young is that feeling of invulnerability that comes with it. You hear about all the terrible things that happen to other people, but you'll be the one that gets by with it, right?

    Unfortunately, it's not working out like that for a lot of young Americans who made the mistake of trusting Barack Obama. It's bad enough that they have a jobless rate under Obama that's nearly double the national average, but he's running up the national credit card with an unsustainable level of debt that younger Americans are going to be asked to pay off.

    If you're under 25, by the time you hit your prime earning years, you're likely to face bleak long term economic prospects because of our massive debt load along with the crushing taxes that will be required to pay for it. Worse yet, the entitlement programs so many Americans rely on are now in terrible danger because of the reckless spending the Democrats are insisting on.

    “I don’t know why Republicans keep saying we have to cut spending to save these entitlements for our grandchildren. We have to cut spending to save these entitlement programs for 45 year-olds. On our current spending rate, 45 year-olds will not receive any Medicare.”

    Does that sound appealing? Struggling under a high tax burden to pay off debts that you didn't run up with much less of a safety net than the last few generations of Americans? That's what young Americans are heading towards and the saddest thing is, they're voting for it. It's not even a case where young Americans are going to be partying and then paying the price later. It's even worse because the Democrats are partying with their money and plan to stick them with the bill.

    5) Hispanic Americans Although there are a few exceptions, Hispanic Americans have voted for the Democrats by a roughly 3-to-1 margin over the past few decades. What have Hispanic Americans gotten in return for that? Democrats block school choice initiatives that would allow Hispanic Americans to send their kids to better schools. They also create massive amounts of red tape that make it much harder for Hispanic small business owners to become successful. In fact, if you're a Hispanic American who wants a piece of the American Dream, you'd be hard pressed to come up with anything that the Democrats do for you other than their one supposed "trump card" -- they're in favor of illegal immigration.

    The great irony of illegal immigration is that Hispanic Americans are economically hurt by illegal immigration much more than the average American because they're more likely to be going head-to-head in the same professions with people who often don't pay taxes, don't pay for health care and don't pay for car insurance. There are undoubtedly millions of Hispanic Americans who've followed every rule and done everything right who don't have jobs today because of illegal aliens. There are also millions of other Hispanic Americans who are taking home $3 or $4 less per hour than they otherwise would without illegal aliens driving down the cost of labor.

    Furthermore, for all the complaints about illegal immigration, the dirty little secret is that some sort of compromise that allows illegal aliens to stay in the country as guest workers, but not citizens, would probably be very passable in Congress. The real reason that isn't happening is because it would allow Hispanic Americans to see how badly they're being hurt by people who aren't in the country legally. When you want to work, but can't feed your family because you don't have a job and you see a "guest worker" from a foreign country holding a position you desperately need, your attitude starts to change in a hurry. The Democrats understand that and secretly like the idea that illegal aliens make it harder on Hispanic Americans. After all, the more successful you become, the less you want the Democrats to do anything other than get out of your way.

     

     



     

     

    The "tsunami of takers theory" again jmel ?  Your failure to acknowledge reality is common among conservatives.....or at least those who claim to be conservatives without understanding the definition

    Here is the truth, and let it sink in real good:  The GOP lost and will continue to lose because they're misanthropes - they lack respect for common people and it shows in just about every thing they do.

    The Democratic Party and candidates, with all of their faults, win because they're likable, logical, and have consideration and respect for all 310 million Americans, be they white, black, brown, female, homosexual or worst of all....Republican.

     

     

     
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    Re: 150 years ago on July 1st the Battle of Gettysburg was fought

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    Does it sadden you that you can`t read or comprehend anyhting?  Did you go to college? High School?  It must be very frustrating to see a thread, try and jump in, and then have to completely change the subject in a desperate attempt to try and add something......Sorry for you man. I can`t help it if you cannot read and your only hope is to move goal posts.

     

     

    The conservative airborne rants on...  

     




     

    If bigdog not only rants on, but rants on and on and on and on, THEN  he would  be the conservative WDYWN...

     
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