19 year pause in global warming

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    19 year pause in global warming

    Man has been spewing CO2 for how long? 130 years?


     



     


    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years?nk=9e0190e2de06c7eff302acb91d1b7b08" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years?nk=9e0190e2de06c7eff302acb91d1b7b08


     


    For at least 19 and I am sure more, CO2 has been rising, but not temperature. A 10 to 15% error rate in the theory behind global warming climate change  climate disruption is no cause for concern? Why are the moonbats led by the Dear Leader forcing CO2 emission regulations on us? Why are they willing to put a damper on the prosperity of Americans for this? They say they are for the "working families" but who is going to take the big one if Obama's unconstitutional run around Congress succeeds? People who pay electric bills. Gee, isn't that a virtual regressive tax on middle class families?


     


    I'm sure that the climate jihadists who want to control everything from when you turn on your dishwasher to how big a vacuum cleaner you can have will employ "scientific" reasoning to explain the failure of their theory to conform to reality.

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

    Once you understand the life cycle of the Sun..most of the climate change stuff becomes pretty irrelevant. It is the definition of insanity to think we have any control over the ultimate fate of our planet..and life on it.

    That depressing thought being said....I think we owe it to ourselves and our children, grandchildren, etc...to leave this planet a better place than we found it...to minimize pollution, to protect air quality and water quality..and to have respect for the other living members of planet earth and their space. 

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    Once you understand the life cycle of the Sun..most of the climate change stuff becomes pretty irrelevant. It is the definition of insanity to think we have any control over the ultimate fate of our planet..and life on it.

    That depressing thought being said....I think we owe it to ourselves and our children, grandchildren, etc...to leave this planet a better place than we found it...to minimize pollution, to protect air quality and water quality..and to have respect for the other living members of planet earth and their space. 

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)



    I would give this post a "thumbs up" if I could.

     

     
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    The latest 'scientific' excuse sounds almost like the seedy plot of a cable TV hit, "Sharknado":

    The global warming is hiding in the deep ocean...

     
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    I don't mind global warming at all ..... I love hitting 300 yard drives using a 5 iron .... "FORE" !

     
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    Once you understand the life cycle of the Sun..most of the climate change stuff becomes pretty irrelevant.


    How so? 


    I really don't think climate scientists are unaware of the life cycle of the sun.... 


     


     


     


    In response to miscricket's comment:

    It is the definition of insanity to think we have any control over the ultimate fate of our planet..and life on it.


    We possess multiple means of ending most if not all life on earth. ie, Nukes.

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    Man has been spewing CO2 for how long? 130 years?



    Hilarious: Man has been spewing CO2 for 130 years, and you put up a chart going back only 20 years.


    Dishonest: The ends are cherry-picked to produce a flat line. If the chart went back to 1996, it would indicate drastic warming. Which, of course, is why you wanted to go back to 1994 but no further


     



    Oh.


     


     


    Hey, didn't you forget? You said you don't deny global warming theory. Remember? No?


    Well you did. Repeatedly. In each and every one of these threads, in fact. Your position, which you seem to have forgotten, is that you accept global warming but simply don't think any political solution is viable.


     

     
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    A 10 to 15% error rate in the theory behind global warming climate change  climate disruption is no cause for concern?



    Huh? What? No concern?

    I'm pretty sure they are concerned. They're trying to account for the data. If it cannot be accounted for (ie, not fully understood mitigation), then they will have to toss some or all of the theory.

    I hope we aren't still worried that all other branches of science are fine, but thousands of climate scientists are all conspiring to sell a lie for paltry grant money.

     
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    "paltry" grant money, you say.

     

    "Based on US government reports, SEPP calculated that from Fiscal Year (FY) 1993 to FY 2013 total US expenditures on climate change amount to more than $165 Billion. More than $35 Billion is identified as climate science. The White House reported that in FY 2013 the US spent $22.5 Billion on climate change. About $2 Billion went to US Global Change Research Program (USGCRP).

     

    "Science is science.  It should not be something in service to anything, especially politics.  It should stand alone and we should deal with its findings as objectively as possible.  Unfortunately, today we have “science”in the service of politics and for hire to whomever can provide it the most grant money.  It’s become a bit like expert witnesses in court.  Need one to conclude a certain way?  We can find that “expert” for you. Anyway, there is one particularly egregious example :

    "The president still talks of “settled science” in the global-warming debate. He recently flew to California to attribute the near-record drought there to human-induced global warming.

    There is no scientific basis for the president’s assertion about the drought. Periodic droughts are characteristic of California’s climate, both in the distant past and over a century and a half of modern record-keeping.

     
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    Hilarious: Man has been spewing CO2 for 130 years, and you put up a chart going back only 20 years.

     

    So, for 15% of the "man spewing CO2" era there has been no warming. It's not just any 15% however, it's the 15% that directly encompasses the period of the highest amount of CO2 spewage. No wonder the climate change models are dropping like the French at Verdun.

     

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    The science has been settled. By the government.

     

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    National Pay Information

    The BLS classifies climate change analysts as environmental scientists. As of 2012, environmental scientists working in the United States earned an average of $68,970 per year. The median-earning 50 percent reported salaries ranging from $47,840 to $84,690 per year, while the highest-paid 10 percent of environmental scientists reported incomes of $109,970 or more per year.
    Pay by Employment Sector

    The expected pay rate for environmental scientists varies considerably by employment situation. As of 2012, those employed by local government agencies averaged $63,050 per year, those working for state government agencies averaged $58,450 per year, and those employed by the federal government made an average of $97,190. Those employed by scientific and technical consulting services earned an average of $70,920 per year.
    Pay by Location

    Given the high salaries of environmental scientists employed by the federal government, it's hardly surprising that the District of Columbia reported the highest average salary for this occupation in 2012, $112,200 per year. The highest-paying state was Rhode Island, at $84,680 per year, followed by Washington at $81,000, Virginia at $80,200 and California at $78,820. West Virginia reported the lowest average salary by state, $45,010.
    Job Outlook

    As of 2010, an estimated 89,400 environmental scientists and specialists were employed in the United States. The BLS expected this number to increase to 106,100 by 2020, a job growth rate of 19 percent and a net gain of 16,700 jobs. While only a portion of these positions will deal specifically with climate change, more analysts will be needed as the affects of this phenomenon likely increase.

     

    http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/average-salary-climate-change-analyst-9036.html

     

    So tens of thousands of scientists - in this one and only area of science - are conspiring to commit mass fraud for 47k-68k a year, CLC?

     
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    See also

     

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/02/if-climate-scientists-push-the-consensus-its-not-for-the-money/

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    Hilarious: Man has been spewing CO2 for 130 years, and you put up a chart going back only 20 years.


    So, for 15% of the "man spewing CO2" era there has been no warming. It's not just any 15% however, it's the 15% that directly encompasses the period of the highest amount of CO2 spewage.



     


    Dishonest: The ends are cherry-picked to produce a flat line. If the chart went back to 1996, it would indicate drastic warming. Which, of course, is why you wanted to go back to 1994 but no further


     



     


     

     
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    The ends are cherry-picked to produce a flat line. If the chart went back to 1996, it would indicate drastic warming. Which, of course, is why you wanted to go back to 1994 but no further


    This doesn't make any sense. The line is flat for the last 18 years because the data is flat (i.e. temperatures have been stable.) If you go back to 1886 (is that what you meant?) the data would indicate that there has been warming.


    So, we believe that there had been warming for a number of decades (alleged rigged numbers notwithstanding) that has mysteriously ended over the course of the last 18 years or so while the spewing of CO2 has continued unabated.


    I don't know where you're seeing the dishonestly.


     


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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    Man has been spewing CO2 for how long? 130 years?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years?nk=9e0190e2de06c7eff302acb91d1b7b08" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years?nk=9e0190e2de06c7eff302acb91d1b7b08" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years?nk=9e0190e2de06c7eff302acb91d1b7b08

     

     

     

    For at least 19 and I am sure more, CO2 has been rising, but not temperature. A 10 to 15% error rate in the theory behind global warming climate change  climate disruption is no cause for concern? Why are the moonbats led by the Dear Leader forcing CO2 emission regulations on us? Why are they willing to put a damper on the prosperity of Americans for this? They say they are for the "working families" but who is going to take the big one if Obama's unconstitutional run around Congress succeeds? People who pay electric bills. Gee, isn't that a virtual regressive tax on middle class families?

     

     

     

    I'm sure that the climate jihadists who want to control everything from when you turn on your dishwasher to how big a vacuum cleaner you can have will employ "scientific" reasoning to explain the failure of their theory to conform to reality.



    Hmm.  The trend over the past 19 years does indeed appear to show no correlation between CO2 levels and global warming.  And yet, the trend over the past 18 years shows the opposite.  It's funny though - because last year all that mattered was the trend over the past 18 years, when the trend from the past 19 years showed the opposite.

    I guess the lesson here is good science is deciding what you want the outcome to be, and then choosing a sample that best makes that argument, adjusting it every year if necessary.  If climate scientists would only follow your lead, 99% of them wouldn't look like corrupt Al Gore toadies.

     

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    In response to miscricket's comment:

    Once you understand the life cycle of the Sun..most of the climate change stuff becomes pretty irrelevant.


    How so? 

     

     

    I really don't think climate scientists are unaware of the life cycle of the sun.... 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    In response to miscricket's comment:

    It is the definition of insanity to think we have any control over the ultimate fate of our planet..and life on it.

     

    We possess multiple means of ending most if not all life on earth. ie, Nukes.




    A lot of our weather patterns and increases in global temperature have more to do with the sun than with the earth. Yes..of course there are things we can do to limit ozone layer damage, etc. but the Ozone is only going to get thinner. I guess my comment was directed more to the media types who think because we have an exceptionally warm summer or winter that this is direct evidence of man made climate change...or those who say because we have an exceptionally cold winter or cool summer that this is evidence the climate is not changing.

    Also...touche' on the nukes. I forgot about that little wrinkle..!

     
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    I don't know where you're seeing the dishonestly.



    Look at the red line. See how it zig-zags up and down all over the place?

    If the chart ran from the years 1994-2008, the result would be a down-sloping line appearing to indicate cooling. If the chart ran from 1996-2014, the result would be an upward-sloping line appearing to indicate warming. Any result could be produced by changing the range of years selected.

     Instead the creator just looked at a charter covering more time, started with an arbitrary point in 2014, and drew a horizontal line, stopping at the last point he could while keeping it a horizontal line.

    Go back any further before 1994, like the chart going back to the rise of the industrial age I posted, and you see clear indication of warming tracking C02 emissions.

     

     

    It's simple: The dishonesty is in focusing only on those sets of years where warming can be made to look flat and then ignoring the undeniable long-term trend.

     
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    A lot of our weather patterns and increases in global temperature have more to do with the sun than with the earth. Yes..of course there are things we can do to limit ozone layer damage, etc. but the Ozone is only going to get thinner. I guess my comment was directed more to the media types who think because we have an exceptionally warm summer or winter that this is direct evidence of man made climate change...or those who say because we have an exceptionally cold winter or cool summer that this is evidence the climate is not changing.

    Also...touche' on the nukes. I forgot about that little wrinkle..!



    Right, we cannot point to specific weather patterns or hot/cold seasons to disprove the theory. After all, there have always been all sorts of climate cycles.

    I get that the sun has the dominant effect - it's our heat source, after all - but the main worry seems to be that the effect of a several degree increase over time will be rising ocean levels, changing weather patterns, etc. Most worryingly from a geopolitical perspective is the fact that a several degree increase in temperature may make some fertile lands infertile, infertile lands fertile, shift where crops can be grown, and generally wreak havoc on any economies relying heavily on such food production.

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    Man has been spewing CO2 for how long? 130 years?


     

     

    Hilarious: Man has been spewing CO2 for 130 years, and you put up a chart going back only 20 years.

     

    Dishonest: The ends are cherry-picked to produce a flat line. If the chart went back to 1996, it would indicate drastic warming. Which, of course, is why you wanted to go back to 1994 but no further

     

     

     

     

    Oh.

     

     

     

     

     

    Hey, didn't you forget? You said you don't deny global warming theory. Remember? No?

     

    Well you did. Repeatedly. In each and every one of these threads, in fact. Your position, which you seem to have forgotten, is that you accept global warming but simply don't think any political solution is viable.

     

     

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    Did I say I did not believe in global warming here? If I point out that for at least 20% of the time since we started burning fossil fuels that CO2 went up but not temperature, does that mean I am a denier? Or does it mean that more than man-made CO2 emissions are involved and that we should get some answers before we condemn our economy to death with all sorts of carbon taxes and energy regulations.

    I guess in your mind it is black and white. Either I am a true believer and ignore the facts or I am a denier.

    AS far as the chart goes, why would I have to go back 130 years to show the last 20? That I am not making a claim that temperature was flat for 130 years, just the last 19 and judging by your chart perhaps 20 more years from 1945 - 65. 

    So for 40-50 years of the 130 we have been spewing more and more CO2, temperature has not gone up. You don't think we should know something about why?

    I haven't done a statistical analysis on the data to find a best fit line for the last 19 years but anyone can see that temperature has leveled off in the chart. 

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    For at least 19 and I am sure more, CO2 has been rising, but not temperature. A 10 to 15% error rate in the theory behind global warming climate change  climate disruption is no cause for concern? Why are the moonbats led by the Dear Leader forcing CO2 emission regulations on us? Why are they willing to put a damper on the prosperity of Americans for this? They say they are for the "working families" but who is going to take the big one if Obama's unconstitutional run around Congress succeeds? People who pay electric bills. Gee, isn't that a virtual regressive tax on middle class families?

    Gee, that sure doesn't sound like anything a person denying global warming science would say. I can't imagine why I would have thought that....  

    I'm sure that the climate jihadists who want to control everything from when you turn on your dishwasher to how big a vacuum cleaner you can have will employ "scientific" reasoning to explain the failure of their theory to conform to reality.

    "climate jihadists"? That's not a neutral descriptor.




     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    Did I say I did not believe in global warming here? If I point out that for at least 20% of the time since we started burning fossil fuels that CO2 went up but not temperature, does that mean I am a denier? Or does it mean that more than man-made CO2 emissions are involved and that we should get some answers before we condemn our economy to death with all sorts of carbon taxes and energy regulations.

    Condemning our economy to death?

    Nothing has a chance of passing that would condemn our economy to death. This is an example of the true alarmism going on here.

     

    I guess in your mind it is black and white. Either I am a true believer and ignore the facts or I am a denier.

    AS far as the chart goes, why would I have to go back 130 years to show the last 20? That I am not making a claim that temperature was flat for 130 years, just the last 19 and judging by your chart perhaps 20 more years from 1945 - 65.  So for 40-50 years of the 130 we have been spewing more and more CO2, temperature has not gone up. You don't think we should know something about why?

    Yeah. How silly of me to interpret your comments as denial. It's not like you literally just made up a "fact" to throw at me. No, not 40-50.

    19. 

    There is an undeniable strong trend in warming since C02. When you go look at charts on a geological scale and compare the rate of increase, it is unlike anything we've seen in the past. That's why you don't just look at 19.

     

    I haven't done a statistical analysis on the data to find a best fit line for the last 19 years but anyone can see that temperature has leveled off in the chart. 

    Well, are you thinking that the climate scientists are just ignoring it? Unaware of it?
     Nobody point this out?

    Can you find one single paper that argued that man's effect on global temperatures is so vast that there will never ever be any cooling or halting?

    Do you know whether or how many papers thus far have sought to increase understanding of mitigation systems?

    Do you understand that natural climate cycles happen at all sorts of varying rates, depending what we're talking about?

     

    No?

    So maybe consider finding a way to talk about the 19 years that doesn't drip with denierism.




     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    Once you understand the life cycle of the Sun..most of the climate change stuff becomes pretty irrelevant. It is the definition of insanity to think we have any control over the ultimate fate of our planet..and life on it.

    That depressing thought being said....I think we owe it to ourselves and our children, grandchildren, etc...to leave this planet a better place than we found it...to minimize pollution, to protect air quality and water quality..and to have respect for the other living members of planet earth and their space. 

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)



    Big difference between doing the things that keep the planet clean and what most climate warmists want to do.

    BTW, I agree with your post.

     
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    Re: 19 year pause in global warming

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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    For at least 19 and I am sure more, CO2 has been rising, but not temperature. A 10 to 15% error rate in the theory behind global warming climate change  climate disruption is no cause for concern? Why are the moonbats led by the Dear Leader forcing CO2 emission regulations on us? Why are they willing to put a damper on the prosperity of Americans for this? They say they are for the "working families" but who is going to take the big one if Obama's unconstitutional run around Congress succeeds? People who pay electric bills. Gee, isn't that a virtual regressive tax on middle class families?

    Gee, that sure doesn't sound like anything a person denying global warming science would say. I can't imagine why I would have thought that....  

    I'm sure that the climate jihadists who want to control everything from when you turn on your dishwasher to how big a vacuum cleaner you can have will employ "scientific" reasoning to explain the failure of their theory to conform to reality.

    "climate jihadists"? That's not a neutral descriptor.






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