8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America

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    8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America

    The Obama administration's birth control mandate took effect Wednesday, granting an estimated 47 million women access to free contraception and a raft of preventive health services.


    As of Aug. 1, new or renewing health insurance plans are required to provide birth control to women at no out-of-pocket cost. Houses of worship are exempt and religious nonprofits get a one-year reprieve, as well as the option to pass the cost to the insurance company.


    The administration established the much-ballyhooed rule, authorized under the Affordable Care Act and drawing upon recommendations from the Institute of Medicine, on the grounds that improved access to preventive health services prevents illnesses and saves money.


    According to the Department of Health and Human Services, the rule permits free annual well-woman visits for adult females "to obtain the recommended preventive services that are age and developmentally appropriate, including preconception and prenatal care."

    Health plans must also provide free screenings for gestational diabetes, human papillomavirus testing and HIV, along with counseling for STDs, breastfeeding and domestic violence.


    About 47 million women will have access to these services starting Aug. 1, according to HHS.


    "Women deserve to have control over their health care," said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. "Aug. 1, 2012, ushers in a new day for women's health when, for the first time ever, women will have access to eight new services at no out-of-pocket cost to keep them healthier and to catch potentially serious conditions at an earlier, more treatable stage."


    Conservatives decry the birth control requirement a violation of religious freedom. Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal the mandate along with the rest of 'Obamacare' if elected president.



    *emphasis mine*
     
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    Meanwhile in 17 states you have to ask permission now from the state if you need to get more than four types of medications. i feel alot better that woman can have sex without getting pregnant and the little old lady has to ask permission because she needs more than four meds, And you guys SWORE up and down that there would be no rationing with obamacare. YEA... OK. This is good though now i can blow a big one in my GF and not have to worry about what happens 9 months later. Wow this is great. and its all free.. Man can it get any better.
     
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    In Response to 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America : AND PRIOR TO THE LAW TAKING EFFECT THE GOP WINGNUTS SCHEDULED A HOUSE VOTE ON 7/3O  TO MAKE ABORTION AND WOMENS REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE MORE RESTRICTIVE.  STAY PROUD GOP!!! STAY PROUD!!!  THE GOP IS CERTAINLY NOT WINNING THE EDUCATED FEMALE VOTE!!!!!
    Posted by kelldog1



    Its more like lack there of being educated, real smart women see through this BS.
     
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    1984 is coming, the abuse of the English language is ongoing...

    Giving away government-mandated contraceptives to 47 million women "saves money" ...

    Taxpayer-funded birth control to women is "free" ...

    Big Sister takes over what was the best market-based innovative health care system in the world, which will now be controlled by powerful cold faceless bureaucrats in Washington, and says:
    "Women deserve to have control over their health care"
     
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    The "educated" female wants the government to take care of her at someone else's expense. Why shouldn't she pay for her own god damned contraceptives??? More nonsense from liberals who are going to bring the economy of this country to its knees. I guess $ trillion deficits don't matter as long as you get your "free" shiite, paid for by someone else's labor. Selfish and short sighted. "Free" - are yo so forking stupid that you think it is free?Apparently so.  GIMMEE GIMMEE GIMMEE.
    Posted by Newtster

    No..the educated female want the health insurance that she pays through the nose for to cover contraception...you know ..preventative medicine? The reality is most of the big insurance companies were already doing this..the law was for the health insurance companies who like to collect our premiums..but don't like to cover inexpensive things like birth control or hormone therapy.

    Also..the educated female wants the ability to choose to put of having children until they are financially ready to. One would think you would support that strategy.

    Finally..the educated female would like the GOP to stop wasting time taking votes on abortion and contraception and start coming up with an agenda that will improve the economy and the jobs situation.
     
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    The "educated" female wants the government to take care of her at someone else's expense. Why shouldn't she pay for her own god damned contraceptives??? More nonsense from liberals who are going to bring the economy of this country to its knees. I guess $ trillion deficits don't matter as long as you get your "free" shiite, paid for by someone else's labor. Selfish and short sighted. "Free" - are yo so forking stupid that you think it is free?Apparently so.  GIMMEE GIMMEE GIMMEE.
    Posted by Newtster


    EXACTLY. Just taking more responsibility away. The entitlement generation is what the progressives have turned kids into.
     
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    Erections Get Insurance; Why Not the Pill?

    Within weeks of hitting the U.S. market in 1998, more than half of Viagra prescriptions received health insurance coverage. If many women weren't already outraged that they had to pay for birth control out of pocket, they were infuriated at the preference given to the anti-impotence pills.

    Studies have shown that women of reproductive age spend about two-thirds more than men on out-of-pocket health-care costs. Birth control and reproductive health-care services are believed to account for much of the difference.

    Since the most effective forms of birth control, such as the pill, are only available by prescription and can be relatively expensive for some, a lack of insurance coverage can put contraception out of reach for some, women's groups say. Birth control pills cost an estimated $30 a month plus doctor's fees.

     
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    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America : Covering contraceptives is one thing. FREE is another. FREE wellness vists is nonsense. These are the responsiblity of the individual to take care of - either by insurance to cover it or pay cash. The other stuff you list is a matter of personal responsibility not government. What if they are not responsible and have kids too soon? Well morons like you are there to give them other people's money and they are rewarded for their stupidity and do it again.  Maybe you haven't figured it out yet but do you see what is happening in Europe because of people wanting something for nothing?? The place is about to erupt into chaos because the people want something for nothing and the politicians gave it to them.   And the people in Greece, Spain, Italy Ireland, etc. didn't have Bush tax cuts for the rich, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, or $600 billion defense budgets.
    Posted by Newtster


    Hey moron, Europe has had socialized medicine for half a century.
    But now all of a sudden you wingnuts think that miraculously in the last 3 years it has caused a financial bubble.
    Even though their system has costs that rise at about 3% annually, about the rate of everything else...it's called inflation spanky.

    Geepers you wingnuts really gotta start reading some books on basic logic.
    One of the most fundamental concepts is 'Correlation vs Causation'.


     
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    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America : You are just as much of a dumb a55 as WDYWN. Getting pregnant is voluntary. Preventing a voluntary act is not a medical problem. And your statement about helath care cost difference - are you kidding? Last time I checked only women can get pregnant. Last time I checked getting pregnant was not an illness but the result of a voluntary act.  If  you cannot get an e*rection, that is a medical problem for which you can get a treatment - viagra, etc.  (wow - the BDC electronic censor won't let me use the word e*rection. Who is in charge over there? ) Men and women get coverage for hormone replacement therapies - correcting a medical issue. Liberals - dumber than a box of rocks.
    Posted by Newtster


    Hey ya freakin mysoginistic moron, the Pill has benefits far beyond reproduction.

    And since when is rape or incest 'voluntary'?

    Of course neanderthals like you think any problem a man has is more important than a woman's.

    Last time I checked, sex isn't intrinsic to living. Ya got your breathing and eating and such...nope sex ain't even in the top 20, ya freakin dolt.

     
     
     
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    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America:
    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America : Socialized medicine has certainly contributed to their problems. It is part of the agenda that morons like you are pushing here and that they have been using for 50 years over there. Some logic: let's do what Europe did to go bankrupt. Social and economic justice! Lunacy.
    Posted by Newtster


    Hey moron, why don't you back up your stupid claims with some you know FACTS.

    You won't because simple logic is beyond your comprehension.
    The best you can muster is regurgitating the wingnut talking points.
    Why don't ya head back to the echo chamber gawd knows they won't ask for facts or evidence.
    Remember, keep that nose firmly planted in the cheeks of the guy in front of you and no laughing, it tickles the other lemmings.

    You never cease to amaze me in your ideological ignorance and outright stupidity.
    Ask for proof and the best ya got is "It just does." Moron!

    That Liberal Arts degree sure paid off.
     
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    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America :   Preventing a voluntary act is not a medical problem. - dumber than a box of rocks.
    Posted by Newtster


    Ya, that 'Preventative Medicine' is just such a misnomer.

    Gawd, you really couldn't be anymore stupid.

    So why have medicine for adult type II diabetes which is almost universally a result of voluntary bad eating habits.
    Heck why not just restrict all insurance to what is, in your ignorant opinion, the result of a voluntary action.
    Sorry, You 'voluntarily' drove your car into a tree.
    Sorry, You 'voluntarily' fell off you bike.
    Sorry, You 'voluntarily' had a child who was born with spina bifida.

    And then there's the fact that birth control directly prevents abortions.
     
     
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    "Hearing you ask for proof is like Mumbles Menino explaining Einsteins Theory of Relativity.."

    Good one, you nailed it.
    Angryman writes like Mumbles speaks..
    Stream of consciousness, full of sound and fury, signifying..nuttin.
     
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    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America:
    In Response to Re: 8/1/12 - A Milestone For Women's Health Care In America : Hearing you ask for proof is like Mumbles Menino explaining Einsteins Theory of Relativity. I don't have a useless liberal arts degree as liberals like you say is so wonderful, or you are supposed to. Are you listening to Rush Limbaugh?
    Posted by Newtster


    Ya, sure thing spanky.

    Apparently you were out sick during the course on logical thinking and the scientific method.

    No spanky, it's definitely Liberal Arts for you.
     
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     12, although I agree that rape is definitely not voluntary, to most people, sex is a voluntary decision. Humans can act to override the hormones responsible for the urge so it is a voluntary decision for a person to engage in sex (to clarify, rape is the uncontrollable urge on the part of a rapist to dominate the subject sexually, so it's not voluntary, it's impulsive). 
     Because of this, your comparison of an auto accident doesn't apply. Accidents are exactly what they imply. A baby is not an accident (unintened or unwanted, maybe, but it's no accident how it came to be) but parenting is a responsibility that requires much sacrifice by the parents, the kinds of sacrifices that all too many don't want to make.
     
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     12, although I agree that rape is definitely not voluntary, to most people, sex is a voluntary decision. Humans can act to override the hormones responsible for the urge so it is a voluntary decision for a person to engage in sex (to clarify, rape is the uncontrollable urge on the part of a rapist to dominate the subject sexually, so it's not voluntary, it's impulsive).   Because of this, your comparison of an auto accident doesn't apply. Accidents are exactly what they imply. A baby is not an accident (unintened or unwanted, maybe, but it's no accident how it came to be) but parenting is a responsibility that requires much sacrifice by the parents, the kinds of sacrifices that all too many don't want to make.
    Posted by undead


    So you're making excuses for a rapist?
    Not all rape is an 'uncontollable' urge or impulse.
    Often it is ALL about control or power or the attempt to injure both physically and emotionally the victim and rarely has anyting to do with sex.
    And what about a husband raping his wife?

    So, according to you, a rapists urges are uncontrollable and yet a very normal person has to control these urges, against every natural and evolutionary impulse.
    Wouldn't that, in and of itself, drive someone to the point of losing control?
    So you have no problem giving someone a sentence of 'no sex' which is contrary to their physical and emotional well being?
     
    Sex, despite what all the religious nuts want you to believe, is about more than just procreation. It is a way people get validation for who they are. It is a vital part of everyone's emotional health. It is an intimate act, that if deprived of long enough, will lead psychological problems, maybe like those of a rapist.

    Not all healthcare has a physical component which is why we have psychiatrists and pyschopharmacology.
     
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    This 'Milestone' is nothing but a poorly veiled attempt to buy some womens votes.. at the expense and risk of alienating Chrisitians, Muslims and Jews alike. So the federal government is dictating their will to churches? Do you think Obamas church (if he has onenow) supports abortion and gay marriage? Where is Obamas mentor and bigot Rev Wright anyways? I miss his rants.
    Posted by NO MO O

    The federal government isn't dictating their will to religious organizations. Once again, we are a nation that separates Church and State. The Catholic church doesn't believe in birth control. The government is not saying to Catholic women and men that they must use birth control...they are simply adding it to the list of basic things that must be covered by  health insurance plans.
    No one in the Catholic church is forced to do anything with relation to birth control.

    Employment law is ( and should be ) separate from Church. Once the Church becomes an employer..then they should have to follow the law...but again..no on is forcing them to become an employer either.

    It's kind of an empty argument when you consider how many millions of Catholics practice birth control ( both men and women).
     
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    The Obama administration's birth control mandate took effect Wednesday, granting an estimated 47 million women access to free contraception and a raft of preventive health services. As of Aug. 1, new or renewing health insurance plans are required to provide birth control to women at no out-of-pocket cost. Houses of worship are exempt and religious nonprofits get a one-year reprieve , as well as the option to pass the cost to the insurance company. The administration established the much-ballyhooed rule, authorized under the Affordable Care Act and drawing upon recommendations from the Institute of Medicine, on the grounds that improved access to preventive health services prevents illnesses and saves money . According to the Department of Health and Human Services , the rule permits free annual well-woman visits for adult females "to obtain the recommended preventive services that are age and developmentally appropriate, including preconception and prenatal care." Health plans must also provide free screenings for gestational diabetes, human papillomavirus testing and HIV, along with counseling for STDs, breastfeeding and domestic violence. About 47 million women will have access to these services starting Aug. 1, according to HHS . "Women deserve to have control over their health care," said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. "Aug. 1, 2012, ushers in a new day for women's health when, for the first time ever, women will have access to eight new services at no out-of-pocket cost to keep them healthier and to catch potentially serious conditions at an earlier, more treatable stage ." Conservatives decry the birth control requirement a violation of religious freedom. Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney has vowed to repeal the mandate along with the rest of 'Obamacare' if elected president. *emphasis mine*
    Posted by MattyScornD


    How could one not think this is a good thing, and I generally do support these improvements to the healthcare system, as well as the religious exemption.  Although I think even well person care should require some nominal co-pay ($10-25), so people understand that things aren’t free, and this is gender neutral.  We can require the insurance companies to do away with all co-pays/deductibles, but you do know that the cost of insurance will go up, because nothing gets absorbed as free.
     

    Prescription drugs including contraception were covered by most health plans with co-pays, and you pay less for generic and even less for the by mail option.  I take a preventative migraine pill, while others may take daily meds for diabetes or high blood pressure and these have all have deductibles.  Why should contraception be free?  Free just means a reallocation of cost from one group to another or larger group, as nothing is free.
     
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