A Decade Of Flat Wages and The Shrinking Middle Class

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    Not sure what, if anything, can be done if the shareholders won't step up and do it. But it's definitely part of why wages and salaries have stagnated.

     

    Maybe our fine govt can do something about it. 

     

     

     

     

     

     



    You mean these CEO's that pay for all these politicians to sit in judgement of them?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The real reason the wage ratio is out of wack is largely due to government.  Regulation has its winners and losers.  

    Also keep in mind that the number of peopl that make these big bucks are relatively small, and likely Democrat (Buffet, Gates, to name two)

     

     

     

     

     



    Wait...the wage ratio is due to govt? How so?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Regulation.  Regulation mitigates competition. Lack of competition favors the rich becoming richer. Case study: MCI. Turned their focus to government when the CEO determined that the real power in telecommunications was in government regulations. Another case study is GM. GM turned to governe,nt regulation to try to stave off foreign competition.  These regulations came with a price that eventually put them into bankruptcy.  In both case, the CEO was rewarded based on the growth that was created through regulation, while the lowered workers did not participate. After all, a janitor is just a janitor, but a CEO that cracks the code on how to use regulation to in prove their competitive advantage...priceless.

     

     

     

     

    so, that is how government ,through regulation, impacted the wage ratio.

     

     

     




    What a freakin joke of a post.

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not my fault you don't understand economics and the political manuevering that goes on with big business.  Regulation is largely there to secure the economic interests of larger companies, not to protect you.

     

     

    Just stay in your comfortable little bubble where the rich people are bad, and government is fighting their evil, day in, day out.

     



     

    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     




    Let me net it out:

    Big companies use regulation to create barriers of entry.

    Having CEO's that can do that (infuence gov't regulation) cost money.

    These CEO's get paid more, ususally because the regulation they get their government buddies to put in place raises the stock price, and/or stifles competition.

     

    So, when all is said and done, that CEO's income rises dramatically due to this, while a broom pusher earns the same.  Hence, a massively increased income disparity.

    Why is that so hard to understand.

     
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    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     




     

    Ouch!

    That's gonna leave a mark.



    No, not really.  Progressives don't understand two things:  Economics, and how the business/gov't world really works.

     
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    Not sure what, if anything, can be done if the shareholders won't step up and do it. But it's definitely part of why wages and salaries have stagnated.

     

    Maybe our fine govt can do something about it. 

     

     

     

     

     

     



    You mean these CEO's that pay for all these politicians to sit in judgement of them?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The real reason the wage ratio is out of wack is largely due to government.  Regulation has its winners and losers.  

    Also keep in mind that the number of peopl that make these big bucks are relatively small, and likely Democrat (Buffet, Gates, to name two)

     

     

     

     

     



    Wait...the wage ratio is due to govt? How so?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Regulation.  Regulation mitigates competition. Lack of competition favors the rich becoming richer. Case study: MCI. Turned their focus to government when the CEO determined that the real power in telecommunications was in government regulations. Another case study is GM. GM turned to governe,nt regulation to try to stave off foreign competition.  These regulations came with a price that eventually put them into bankruptcy.  In both case, the CEO was rewarded based on the growth that was created through regulation, while the lowered workers did not participate. After all, a janitor is just a janitor, but a CEO that cracks the code on how to use regulation to in prove their competitive advantage...priceless.

     

     

     

     

    so, that is how government ,through regulation, impacted the wage ratio.

     

     

     




    What a freakin joke of a post.

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not my fault you don't understand economics and the political manuevering that goes on with big business.  Regulation is largely there to secure the economic interests of larger companies, not to protect you.

     

     

    Just stay in your comfortable little bubble where the rich people are bad, and government is fighting their evil, day in, day out.

     



     

    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     



    The Ma Bell thing:

    My point is that MCI took full advantage of this by...

    Relocating to Washington D.C. to be able to better influence the regulation.

    the Ma Bell breeak up was the catlyst, how MCI reacted is the interesting point relative to regulation.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     
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    Not sure what, if anything, can be done if the shareholders won't step up and do it. But it's definitely part of why wages and salaries have stagnated.

     

    Maybe our fine govt can do something about it. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    You mean these CEO's that pay for all these politicians to sit in judgement of them?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The real reason the wage ratio is out of wack is largely due to government.  Regulation has its winners and losers.  

    Also keep in mind that the number of peopl that make these big bucks are relatively small, and likely Democrat (Buffet, Gates, to name two)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Wait...the wage ratio is due to govt? How so?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Regulation.  Regulation mitigates competition. Lack of competition favors the rich becoming richer. Case study: MCI. Turned their focus to government when the CEO determined that the real power in telecommunications was in government regulations. Another case study is GM. GM turned to governe,nt regulation to try to stave off foreign competition.  These regulations came with a price that eventually put them into bankruptcy.  In both case, the CEO was rewarded based on the growth that was created through regulation, while the lowered workers did not participate. After all, a janitor is just a janitor, but a CEO that cracks the code on how to use regulation to in prove their competitive advantage...priceless.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    so, that is how government ,through regulation, impacted the wage ratio.

     

     

     

     

     




    What a freakin joke of a post.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Not my fault you don't understand economics and the political manuevering that goes on with big business.  Regulation is largely there to secure the economic interests of larger companies, not to protect you.

     

     

     

     

     

    Just stay in your comfortable little bubble where the rich people are bad, and government is fighting their evil, day in, day out.

     

     

     



     

     

     

     

    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     

     

     




    Let me net it out:

     

     

     

    Big companies use regulation to create barriers of entry.

    Having CEO's that can do that (infuence gov't regulation) cost money.

    These CEO's get paid more, ususally because the regulation they get their government buddies to put in place raises the stock price, and/or stifles competition.

     

    So, when all is said and done, that CEO's income rises dramatically due to this, while a broom pusher earns the same.  Hence, a massively increased income disparity.

    Why is that so hard to understand.

     




     

     

    Heh, heh, heh...you keep repeating that tired trope but slomag succinctly and completely destroyed the two examples you were relying on.

     




    No he didn't, not even close.

     

    I just refuted the MA Bell example.  My point was about how MCI positioned itself, not the MaBell break up.  that was simply competing business interest.  Ma Bell lost, sort of.

    As far as GM, lok athte history of GM from about the 70's onward.  What was their major competitive thrust? increased regulation and closer cooperation with gov't.  They pursued a policy of regulation, which ended with gov't taking them over, in other words, it blew up in their face eventually.

    It does not change that regulation is the strategy they pursued, and during most stages, it drove the CEO income through the roof, while the lower incomes rose rather mildly.

    Hence, the main point, that regulation helps drive up CEO payouts, increasing the income disparity.

     

    I don't know why you are having such a hard time understanding this.  It is basic economics.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     
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    It's not good all around.  It's what people have asked for and voted for though.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Like I said, the middle class is a problem for liberal government.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    And an even bigger problem for conservative government...

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ...yet one they persistently ignore with impunity.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Well, no. At least not a true conservative government.  True conservative values are about the individual maintaining control over what they earn, taxing them only enough to cover essential government functions, and recognizing that, to an extent, the Constitution was written essentially to protect the economic interests of the middle class.

     

     

     

     

     

    It's the rich, and the wooly-headed thinkers for which the middle class is a problem.  People controlling their own destiny is not in the interests of the rich or the progressive mindset.

     

     

     

     



    Except that the Constitution - in economic terms - was definitely written to preserve the rich and their lands and interests.

     

     

     

     

    There was no middle class back then...just rich, slaves, and non-slaves.

    And these days, conservatism means placing a dollar value on peoples' lives and the hard work they do every day...strictly as a means to improve their own wealth and bottom lines.  They blame the poor for being poor, the working class for working so hard, and anyone else for not stepping over their neighbor just "to get ahead".

    Rich conservatives exploit the poor just like rich liberals do, so stop pretending.  Their whole immigration focus is on how to keep cheap, undocumented labor from becoming more expensive, documented labor.  This is known.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    And stop it with the "exploiting the poor" mantra. More socialist nonsense.

     

     

     

    Although it sounds so nice, particularly in faculty lounges, the truth is that the poor have little to exploit.  The meat is in the middle class. that is where you will find the elites, conservative and liberal, doing their exploiting.

     

     



    The "poor aren't exploited"?  On which planet?  Labor is not exploited?  Faith is not exploited? The poor aren't manipulated to solicit 'donations' for shady charities? Or for the Church??

     

     

    I won't argue that the middle class aren't also raked over the coals every way they turn, but only an ideological mannequin would deny the obvious.

     

     



    What part about the poor having little to exploit don't you understand? Just how are they financially exploited if they don't have any finances? Are you saying you can exploit people who have nothing? I mean, other than the socialists that claim they are going to help the poor, but instead enslave them, keeping them from ever being able to escape poverty.

     

    the rich will always be rich, we will always have the poor, but the middle class,where the action is,  the middle class which is the great enabler of our economy, may not always be with us.



    I told you.  The poor have their labor...the backs and bones upon which the CEO's cushy perch is built.  They are slaves with meager paychecks and few, if any, fringe benefits.

    Your whole argument ignores the costs of labor, who is laboring, and what they are producing, on scale.

    It's part of the reason why a formerly 'middle-class' job like factory work has now degenerated into "working poor" class.

    And it's why wages in this country have stagnated even while productivity hits record highs.  The workers have been barred from sharing in the wealth they've created.  And they're rightfully pi&&ed off.

     

     
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    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     

     




     

     

    Ouch!

    That's gonna leave a mark.

     



    No, not really.  Progressives don't understand two things:  Economics, and how the business/gov't world really works.

     



    Weak rebuttal.

    You're losing....

     

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     
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    I don't understand your post either - at first I thought it was supposed to be a joke.

    Your support of regulation mitigating competition is the breakup of the Ma Bell monopoly?

    And your support of regulation being responsible for high CEO pay is GM, a company whose CEO pay is currently frozen by federal regulation?

     

     

     

     




     

     

     

    Ouch!

    That's gonna leave a mark.

     

     



    No, not really.  Progressives don't understand two things:  Economics, and how the business/gov't world really works.

     

     

     



    Weak rebuttal.

     

    You're losing....

     



    Whatever...

     
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    Let me net it out:

     

    Big companies use regulation to create barriers of entry.

    Having CEO's that can do that (infuence gov't regulation) cost money.

    These CEO's get paid more, ususally because the regulation they get their government buddies to put in place raises the stock price, and/or stifles competition.

    So, when all is said and done, that CEO's income rises dramatically due to this, while a broom pusher earns the same.  Hence, a massively increased income disparity.

    Why is that so hard to understand.

     



    Do you ever say anything of substance?  All you ever have is bald assertions and quotes from your little red book.

     

    You're talking directly out of your rectum, and it's putting a serious strain on the colon.

     

     

     

     

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    No, not really.  Progressives don't understand two things:  Economics, and how the business/gov't world really works.

     

    Ewf. Rupture? I wish you a speedy recovery....

     

     

     

     



    I offer up exhibit A: The Obama Economy.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     



    Isn't what you suggest the 2008 Obama campaign?  Without the third party angle.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     



    Recipe for a totalitiarian state.

    How about Government just get out of the way wherever it can?

     
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    Re: A Decade Of Flat Wages and The Shrinking Middle Class

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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.



    You are right the middle class is being pushed onto the ash heap of history, but, it is not our brand of capitalism that is doing it, but our government.  you cannot have such a tight link between big business and government, out of control spending, and more issues that are governemnt insitgated, and have a vibrant middle class.

    Look, government regulation and a significant part of law, all these three letter agencies, don't impact the rich, they have enough money to weather it, and the poor, well, they don't have any money, so, though their lives are misrable, really doesn't impact them much.  It is the middle class that is getting squeezed by this regulatory nonsense and over taxation.

    Government needs to get out of the way the best it can.  Actually following the constitution is a good place to start.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     



    Again...I said REALISTIC solutions

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

     

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     

     

     



    Again...I said REALISTIC solutions

     

     

     



    Gridlock is actually preferable to a fully functioning progressive government.

     

    Realistic solutions take time.  I think it needs to remain ideological.  Getting the right ideology in place will have a positive impact on the problem, and the right ideology is to look at laws and regulations through the eyes of the middle class:  Does regulation "x" help or hurt the middle class?

    Government needs to ratchet back.  Let's go back to basic principles, and stop expecting government to wipe our noses and fight our fights.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     

     



    Again...I said REALISTIC solutions

     



    I don't know if it' that unrealistic.  If it even happened on a local level, it would gain momentum quickly.  If the founding fathers had broadband internet, this is what a representative democracy would look like today.

     

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

     

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     

     

     



    Again...I said REALISTIC solutions

     

     

     



    I don't know if it' that unrealistic.  If it even happened on a local level, it would gain momentum quickly.  If the founding fathers had broadband internet, this is what a representative democracy would look like today.

     

     



    I don't think so.  the founding fathers were a bit distrustful of a full democracy.  You can seeit a bit inthe constitution.

    I find the liberal position on this interesting, however.  It is kinda like, if Obama had a democracy, it would look like obamacare.

     
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    If we continue along this path, we are going to have another revolution in this country.  The real danger for us is not Islamists, it is millions of formerly middleclass peole, who are being pushed backwards by our brand of capitalism and the lack of any empathy from elected officials......you know which ones I mean.

    Desparate people do desparate things.  Do we want riots in the streets? Most on the right seem ready to risk it.

    People have to eat, and have roofs over their heads. It's dangerous to think people will willingly accept poverty while .1% of the people have have more money than they need for 10,000 lifetimes.....while snidely suggesting that poor people have only themselves to blame.

     



    What do you propose be done then? I get it that you don't like rich people being rich. But what do you think can REALISTICALLY be done about it?

     

     

     

     

     

     



    3 simple things:  Mandatory voting, publicly financed elections, and living wages.

     

     

     

     

     

    Do these 3 things, then sit back and watch as democracy magically reinvents itself.

     

     

     

     

     



    I asked for REALISTIC things. Thanks anyway

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I have a suggestion - a new political party that is driven by public opinion, rather than ideology or special interest.  The candidate puts all issues on his/her web site, and votes according to the will of the majority of interested constituents.

     

     

     

    If we can end the two-party system, we can end the gridlock.  If we allow majority rule, we can get things done.

     

     

     



    Again...I said REALISTIC solutions

     

     

     



    I don't know if it' that unrealistic.  If it even happened on a local level, it would gain momentum quickly.  If the founding fathers had broadband internet, this is what a representative democracy would look like today.

     

     



    If it's not unrealistic then get it going. 

     
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