Aaron Schwartz - suicide?

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    Up to this point, this one smells in all respects.

     
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    Swartz.  Can't edit a thread title.

     
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    From the Universal Hub     http://www.universalhub.com/2013/mitedu-seems-have-disappeared-internet

     
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    I'm seeing a lot of outrage over the death of Mr. Swartz, much of it originating from the left and, IMHO, quite justified.


    I am equally outraged by this apparent abuse of power by a federal prosecutor but, at the same time, I have some questions for my friends on the left.

    Were you outraged when federal agents raided Gibson Guiitar for supposedly violating the laws of another country. Or were you pleased that a GOP donor was intimidated into settling out of court?

    Were you outraged when Hobby Lobby was fined 1.3 million dollars a day for standing up for their freedom to practice their religon? Or were you happy that some Christians were being forced to comply with federal regulations?

    Were you outraged when the EPA forced a successful and long running California oyster farm out of business? Or were you satisfied that California environmental groups won a major victory?


    I could go on and on but he point is this:

     

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--

    because I was not a communist;

    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

    because I was not a socialist;

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    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

    because I was not a trade unionist;

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

    because I was not a Jew;

    Then they came for me—

    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

     

    RIP Aaron Swartz.

     

     
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    Mr. Swartz killed himself, no one caused him to die, he did so by his own hand.  It is unfortunate since he could had his day in court for the crimes that he did commit, and though the charges carried some potential heavy penalties I doubt his actions would have earned him years in jail, probably not any time at all. 

    And SB, the Gibson case was perfectly valid, they admited to violating the Lacey Act which is US LAW.  They paid their fine and no one went to jail.   Big whoop.

    Hobby Lobby decided on a course of action kowing full well they would incur the penalties.  They made a decision and they stand by it.  Their conviction does not absolve them of responsibilities or consequences of the regulations they are WILLINGLY violating. 

    I am not that familiar with the Drakes Bay Oyster Company case, but as I understand it the company inherited a lease when they took over operations from the predessor company and that lease stipulated that the company must shut down operations in 2012.  The government did not renew the lease for the private company to continue operating on public land, something the owners knew was a risk when they bought the business in 2004. 

     
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    In response to Firewind's comment:

    Up to this point, this one smells in all respects.

    What's your point here?  You don't say.   What are "all" of the aspects?  You don't even give one example.  

    You take a white collar crime, committed by a bright, up-and-coming computer whiz, who believes, to his own detriment, in intellectual freedom and is a well-known crusader for "free information", mixed with a lack of respect for intellectual property laws, who illegally breaks into and allegedly steals proprietary information and data, who was to have his day in court, following a federal investigation that seemed to have justified the case, where the accused pleads not guilty, who suffers from and has a well-known ongoing mental condition called depression, whose family is aware of his fragile state of mind, who, a month prior to his day in court, hangs himself.   

    What smells?   He never had his day in court, which is unfortunate, and tragic.   Anything else?   

    He did, however, and tragically, have a history of mental illness, including a tendency toward suicide; potentially, it was a matter of time, but that's just speculation:

    "In a talk in 2007, Mr. Swartz described having had suicidal thoughts during a low period in his career. He also wrote about his struggle with depression, distinguishing it from sadness.

    “Go outside and get some fresh air or cuddle with a loved one and you don’t feel any better, only more upset at being unable to feel the joy that everyone else seems to feel. Everything gets colored by the sadness.”

    When the condition gets worse, he wrote, “you feel as if streaks of pain are running through your head, you thrash your body, you search for some escape but find none. And this is one of the more moderate forms.”

     

     
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    I certainly hope the suicide wasn't a matter of time.

    I suffer from depression.  I have a pretty good handle on it now, but that wasn't always the case.  It's a terrible thing that can slowly creep up on you and pull you down in to a cold, dark abyss with seemingly no way to get out.  Even if you know you suffer from depression, it can happen without you knowing it.  It can be hellish.

    My depression is managed through meds and diet.  I've learned that alcohol can put me into a tailspin, even with the meds.  And I've learned to see the warning signs and try to take steps to pull myself out of it or at least not make it worse.  During an episode, knowing that what I am going through is caused by the depression can make it easier and can be a life saver.  But this can be impossible for some people with severe cases.

    I think that depression is widely misunderstood.  And I think the better people understand depression, the better they are at identifying it in themselves.  A danger of depression is it causes people to think what they are feeling and sensing is reality and not the result of a disease.  When we have the flu, we know that what we are feeling is caused by the flu.  But sometimes with depression, it's hard to see that what is being felt is caused by a disease.

    Whenever I hear about someone with a mental illness doing something horrible to themselves of to someone else, the saying that is often heard in 12 step programs comes to mind....

    "There but for the grace of God go I".

     
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    I suffer from depression.  I have a pretty good handle on it now, but that wasn't always the case.  It's a terrible thing that can slowly creep up on you and pull you down in to a cold, dark abyss with seemingly no way to get out.  Even if you know you suffer from depression, it can happen without you knowing it.  It can be hellish.


    Depression is a terrible thing. It's good to hear that you have a handle on it. Good luck to you.

     

     
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    In response to chiefhowie's comment:

    Yes Depression is a sad  for all involved. My wife is recieving ECT treatment and it's working well. She says "a new me ". Now to the point, this may have been preventable. if someone had paid attention.   I got my wife off depression drugs and started a physical treatment at mc leans. Most Doc's take the easy way out "DRUG'S" His trial was a side effect , not the cause.  A way to release his self. > just like the shootings.

    Nice to hear that your wife has made so much progress with her depression; I'm sure your support is a big boost, and that her new treatment plan, sans drugs, is right for her.   You must both be very hopeful, Howie; best wishes with continued progress.   

    This story, of course, has grown over the past few days.   As sad as it is that this man took his life, and took a "permanent solution to a temporary problem",  his history of depression and predisposition toward suicide cannot be ignored, and while the pressure of the trial may have pushed him over the edge,  I agree that the pending trial and charges were not the cause.   

    The charges certainly were trumped up, and the proposed penalties did not seem to fit the crime, but since the case will never go to trial, no one will ever know the outcome of the trial, nor the punishment that might have been issued.    A loop that will never be closed.  

     
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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    I certainly hope the suicide wasn't a matter of time. I suffer from depression.  I have a pretty good handle on it now, but that wasn't always the case.  It's a terrible thing that can slowly creep up on you and pull you down in to a cold, dark abyss with seemingly no way to get out.  Even if you know you suffer from depression, it can happen without you knowing it.  It can be hellish. My depression is managed through meds and diet.  I've learned that alcohol can put me into a tailspin, even with the meds.  And I've learned to see the warning signs and try to take steps to pull myself out of it or at least not make it worse.  During an episode, knowing that what I am going through is caused by the depression can make it easier and can be a life saver.  But this can be impossible for some people with severe cases."There but for the grace of God go I".

    Glad to hear you know how to manage your depression, DWL, and have the gift of awareness in dealing with it.   Despite how far we've come as a society in dealing with mental illness, there is still a stigma, and that's one of the many reasons so many people are in denial about the nature of depression, and admitting they suffer from it.   A sad reality in the 21st century.   Personally, I'm a big proponent of the body/mind/spirit connection, inextricably linked.    Peace to you, it sounds like you take very good care of yourself, and that's to your credit.   

     

     

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