About those "uninformed" voters....

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    [QUOTE]Obama, who was still a freshman U.S. Senator when the storm battered the Gulf Coast in 2005, was more responsible.

     

     

    Of course he's not responsible. You'd have to step up and DO something to be responsible for it.

     

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    I hold Michael Brown responsible for doing nothing.

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    I hold Michael Jackson responsible.

    Maybe Michael Jordan.

    Well, one of the two.

     
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    [QUOTE]Any one who blames any President is uninformed and not too bright.




     

     

     

    What was that you were saying about blaming Obama for the actions of a lone IRS office?

     

     

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    The federal agency known as the IRS is a little different than a state emergency toolboy

     

     

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    Ever heard of a federal agency called FEMA?

     

     

     

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    Are you taking this thread seriously?

     
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    Dude. You're on a roll.

     

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    The blame Obama for everything strategy works well down there.  It reminds me of the old George W Bush quote....which apparantly still works:


    "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."



    That's funny coming from the blame Bush crowd.

     
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    Re: About those

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

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    [QUOTE]Are you taking this thread seriously?




     

    I wasn't at first, but now I'm starting to think I should be scared.

    According to you, Bush did absolutely nothing wrong because you say airborne was lying about whether FEMA could asserts its authority without state permission.

    Let's assume that's true.

    28% blamed bush.

    29% blamed Obama.

    How much of the electorate is both so dumb and divisively hateful that they blame someone who wasn't President, and if he was President couldn't have done anything anyway (again, if you were right. I'm not bothering to verify).

     

     

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    Twenty-eight percent said they think former President George W. Bush, who was in office at the time, was more responsible for the poor federal response while 29 percent said Obama, who was still a freshman U.S. Senator when the storm battered the Gulf Coast in 2005, was more responsible. Nearly half of Louisiana Republicans — 44 percent — said they aren't sure who to blame.

     

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    well, no, that's not what I said.  Here's what happened.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

    My point is that you apparently don't think that the Demoocrat governor, or the Democrat Mayor, have any responsibility.  Clearly the wiffed as the softball of preparing for Katrina, leaving it up to FEMA.

    To blame Bush is just more progressive foolishness.

    As far as who beleives what:  Well, I'm not big on Republians either.

     
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    well, no, that's not what I said.  Here's what happened.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

    My point is that you apparently don't think that the Demoocrat governor, or the Democrat Mayor, have any responsibility.  Clearly the wiffed as the softball of preparing for Katrina, leaving it up to FEMA.

    To blame Bush is just more progressive foolishness.

    As far as who beleives what:  Well, I'm not big on Republians either.

     




     

    Now you're changing the subject ("goal posts").

    The subject is not the Democratic governor. The subject is not blaming Bush. This is the subject:

     

    28% blamed bush.

    29% blamed Obama.

    How much of the electorate is both so dumb and divisively hateful that they blame someone who wasn't President, and if he was President couldn't have done anything anyway (again, if you were right. I'm not bothering to verify).

     

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    Right.  And you believe everything PPP tells you.  As a polling firm, it's almost an arm of the Democrat party.

    Show me sample size, who was polled, where they were polled, when they were polled, whether they called cellphones or landline only, and I bet that number falls apart, at least in how it is applied.

    But, we know this for sure:  100% of Democrats blame Bush for Katrina, even though New Orleans has a Democrat mayor, and a Democrat governor, and Bush, unlike Obama, claims no special magical power to control the weather or the envirnment.

    It is just silly for the progressives to beat this drum.  It was a hurricane.  Hurricanes do damage.  Katrina was one of the largest on record. Blame the storm if you are so bent on assigning blame.

     
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    Skeeter, you've been replying to my posts but you seem to be largely addressing someone else.



    Sure.  your handle is CrazyDave, right?

     
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    well, no, that's not what I said.  Here's what happened.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

    My point is that you apparently don't think that the Demoocrat governor, or the Democrat Mayor, have any responsibility.  Clearly the wiffed as the softball of preparing for Katrina, leaving it up to FEMA.

    To blame Bush is just more progressive foolishness.

    As far as who beleives what:  Well, I'm not big on Republians either.

     

     




     

     

    Now you're changing the subject ("goal posts").

    The subject is not the Democratic governor. The subject is not blaming Bush. This is the subject:

     

    28% blamed bush.

    29% blamed Obama.

    How much of the electorate is both so dumb and divisively hateful that they blame someone who wasn't President, and if he was President couldn't have done anything anyway (again, if you were right. I'm not bothering to verify).

     

     

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    Right.  And you believe everything PPP tells you.  As a polling firm, it's almost an arm of the Democrat party.

     

    Show me sample size, who was polled, where they were polled, when they were polled, whether they called cellphones or landline only, and I bet that number falls apart, at least in how it is applied.

    But, we know this for sure:  100% of Democrats blame Bush for Katrina, even though New Orleans has a Democrat mayor, and a Democrat governor, and Bush, unlike Obama, claims no special magical power to control the weather or the envirnment.

    It is just silly for the progressives to beat this drum.  It was a hurricane.  Hurricanes do damage.  Katrina was one of the largest on record. Blame the storm if you are so bent on assigning blame.

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    Nobody blames Bush for the hurricane.  

    We blame him for removing the hardest hit, poorest parishes from the national emergency declaration.  

    We blame him for diverting power from local hospitals to oil pipelines.

    We blame FEMA for blocking aid to the refugees, and we blame Bush for putting a horse judge in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    We blame him for being woefully unprepared for a forecasted disaster, four years after 9/11.

    Is any of this unfair criticism? 

     

     
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    Dude. You're on a roll.

     

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    I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.

     
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    well, no, that's not what I said.  Here's what happened.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

    My point is that you apparently don't think that the Demoocrat governor, or the Democrat Mayor, have any responsibility.  Clearly the wiffed as the softball of preparing for Katrina, leaving it up to FEMA.

    To blame Bush is just more progressive foolishness.

    As far as who beleives what:  Well, I'm not big on Republians either.

     

     

     




     

     

     

    Now you're changing the subject ("goal posts").

    The subject is not the Democratic governor. The subject is not blaming Bush. This is the subject:

     

    28% blamed bush.

    29% blamed Obama.

    How much of the electorate is both so dumb and divisively hateful that they blame someone who wasn't President, and if he was President couldn't have done anything anyway (again, if you were right. I'm not bothering to verify).

     

     

     

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    Right.  And you believe everything PPP tells you.  As a polling firm, it's almost an arm of the Democrat party.

     

     

    Show me sample size, who was polled, where they were polled, when they were polled, whether they called cellphones or landline only, and I bet that number falls apart, at least in how it is applied.

    But, we know this for sure:  100% of Democrats blame Bush for Katrina, even though New Orleans has a Democrat mayor, and a Democrat governor, and Bush, unlike Obama, claims no special magical power to control the weather or the envirnment.

    It is just silly for the progressives to beat this drum.  It was a hurricane.  Hurricanes do damage.  Katrina was one of the largest on record. Blame the storm if you are so bent on assigning blame.

     

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    Nobody blames Bush for the hurricane.  

     

    We blame him for removing the hardest hit, poorest parishes from the national emergency declaration.  

    We blame him for diverting power from local hospitals to oil pipelines.

    We blame FEMA for blocking aid to the refugees, and we blame Bush for putting a horse judge in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    We blame him for being woefully unprepared for a forecasted disaster, four years after 9/11.

    Is any of this unfair criticism? 

     

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    Yes, it is unfair.  What part of "worst hurricane ever" don't you get? Do you think that there might have been more than just a few issues going on?  

    And, it it had gone the other way, and there had been a dramatic oil spill, you would have complained that he should have powered up the pipelines first.

    Where were  the Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor? 

    This is the problem with the left:  handwringing and inaction at the time of crisis, followed by bitter complaining that those who took action did the wrong things.

    And, your list of complaints: Stay off the left wing blogs, it is rotting your brain.

     
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    well, no, that's not what I said.  Here's what happened.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

    My point is that you apparently don't think that the Demoocrat governor, or the Democrat Mayor, have any responsibility.  Clearly the wiffed as the softball of preparing for Katrina, leaving it up to FEMA.

    To blame Bush is just more progressive foolishness.

    As far as who beleives what:  Well, I'm not big on Republians either.

     

     

     

     




     

     

     

     

    Now you're changing the subject ("goal posts").

    The subject is not the Democratic governor. The subject is not blaming Bush. This is the subject:

     

    28% blamed bush.

    29% blamed Obama.

    How much of the electorate is both so dumb and divisively hateful that they blame someone who wasn't President, and if he was President couldn't have done anything anyway (again, if you were right. I'm not bothering to verify).

     

     

     

     

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    Right.  And you believe everything PPP tells you.  As a polling firm, it's almost an arm of the Democrat party.

     

     

     

    Show me sample size, who was polled, where they were polled, when they were polled, whether they called cellphones or landline only, and I bet that number falls apart, at least in how it is applied.

    But, we know this for sure:  100% of Democrats blame Bush for Katrina, even though New Orleans has a Democrat mayor, and a Democrat governor, and Bush, unlike Obama, claims no special magical power to control the weather or the envirnment.

    It is just silly for the progressives to beat this drum.  It was a hurricane.  Hurricanes do damage.  Katrina was one of the largest on record. Blame the storm if you are so bent on assigning blame.

     

     

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    Nobody blames Bush for the hurricane.  

     

     

    We blame him for removing the hardest hit, poorest parishes from the national emergency declaration.  

    We blame him for diverting power from local hospitals to oil pipelines.

    We blame FEMA for blocking aid to the refugees, and we blame Bush for putting a horse judge in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    We blame him for being woefully unprepared for a forecasted disaster, four years after 9/11.

    Is any of this unfair criticism? 

     

     

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    Yes, it is unfair.  What part of "worst hurricane ever" don't you get? Do you think that there might have been more than just a few issues going on?  

     

    And, it it had gone the other way, and there had been a dramatic oil spill, you would have complained that he should have powered up the pipelines first.

    Where were  the Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor? 

    This is the problem with the left:  handwringing and inaction at the time of crisis, followed by bitter complaining that those who took action did the wrong things.

    And, your list of complaints: Stay off the left wing blogs, it is rotting your brain.

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    Blanco requested a national emergency.  Bush granted it, but for some reason removed the hardest hit parishes.  Both parties took action, but the latter caused human suffering.

    What did Nagin and Blanco do or not do that you think deserves blame?

    What do you mean by "go the other way"?  When is it a good idea to divert power from a hospital?

    If you find anything inaccurate in my post, I challenge you to back it up.  You seem to waffle back and forth between rationalizing my criticisms and attacking their veracity.  Maybe do a little research and get back to me.

     

     

     
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    Yea, did you know a State has to reequest/allow the feds to take charge of a state emergency???

     




     

    You're wrong.

    The Fed has the ability to federalize emergency relief efforts, at anytime, in any area of the country hit by disaster.

     

     

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    BS check your facts.

     
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    Any one who blames any President is uninformed and not too bright.

     
    Coming from you, that's priceless.

     



    For a state emergency response dipshlt

     
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    The blame Obama for everything strategy works well down there.  It reminds me of the old George W Bush quote....which apparantly still works:


    "You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."

     



    Whereas the "blame Obama for nothing" strategy works well up there....as long as the government checks keep coming.

     



    Nice!

     
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    Obama voted against FEMA aid for Katrina aid to victims!

     

    Indeed.

    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---80
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Dole (R-NC)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)


    NAYs ---14
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)


    Not Voting - 6
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Thomas (R-WY)

     

     
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    Obama voted against FEMA aid for Katrina aid to victims!

     

    Indeed.

    Grouped By Vote Position
    YEAs ---80
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Dole (R-NC)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lott (R-MS)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)


    NAYs ---14
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)


    Not Voting - 6
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Thomas (R-WY)

     



    See, here's why I could never be a conservative.  You're posting the voting record of a bill that you are pretending was solely about providing aid to Katrina.  Maybe you know that Obama voted yea for a similar bill that did not provide more unconditional funding for Iraq, maybe not.  Maybe you know that the bill was introduced two years after Katrina, maybe not.  But are you seriously going to pretend you don't know the title of the bill?  That you didn't selectively cut it out of your post because it proves the post itself is BS?

    U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act

     

     
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    Just before midnight on August 26, three days before Katrina was to make landfall, Kathleen Blanco received a phone call from George Bush. The president had been through a series of briefings from Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and knew the potential dangers to New Orleans and the surrounding area from a storm the size of Katrina. Now he was attempting to convince the Governor of Louisiana that she needed to take immediate action.

    His pleas fell on deaf ears. It seemed that the Governor was more concerned with the legalities of accepting federal assistance, and the appearance that her office could not handle the emergency.

    Despite Governor Blanco’s reluctance to coordinate the state’s efforts with federal assistance, President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana two full days before Katrina hit the Louisiana coast. The move allowed FEMA to begin staging relief supplies for immediate distribution in New Orleans once the storm had passed.

    The president's emergency declaration also allowed FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes. All that was left to do was wait for Kathleen Blanco to request Federal assistance. Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which was revised after 9/11, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

    Meanwhile Blanco had her own advisors insisting that the President was actually making a request for federal takeover of the Louisiana National Guard, and asking to put Louisiana State Police under federal control. They were concerned that this would be the same as martial law and lead to abuse of power by the federal government.

    The next day, August 27, Bush called Blanco again and urged her to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, she refuses.

    By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts. On this same day, Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Mayor Ray Nagin and educated him on the force of nature was bearing down on his city.

    He stressed to Nagin that this storm could clean New Orleans off the map. “A storm this size and intensity will destroy the levees in New Orleans, they were not built for this,” he said. Apparently Maxfield made his point, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans on Sunday, August 28.

    At 6:44am on August 29, Hurricane Katrina crossed Caprien Bay and slammed into Buras, Louisiana packing winds of 144 miles an hour and pushing a 24 foot wall of water ahead of her. The tidal surge fanned out in a cone ahead of the eye wall. As she crossed the Biloxi Wildlife Management Area and into Lake Borgne, the wall of water entered Lake Ponchartrain and began to affect the levee system of New Orleans.

    The eye continued north and made landfall again at the Mississippi/Louisiana border. As Katrina progressed inland the wind shifted, forcing additional pressure on the 17th Street Canal levee.

    On the afternoon of August 29, in downtown New Orleans and the French Quarter, the brunt of the high winds had passed. Residents began to peek out and discovered the city was mostly intact. There was wind damage, and some water in the streets, but they had seen this before and weren't concerned. Sometime during the night of the 29th or early morning of the 30th, water began to poor through the 17th Street Canal levee. New Orleans began to flood.

    By Tuesday, August 30, the federal relief effort began shipping food, water and medical supplies toward Louisiana for use in New Orleans. The same operation was underway in Mississippi and Alabama. The governors of those states had a already signed on to federal help and relief was pouring in. Governor Blanco was the lone holdout. She had still not made a decision.

    The Department of Defense sent search and rescue experts, doctors, nurses and support personnel. FEMA was there to help as much as they could but local and state officials would not allow them to participate because Governor Blanco still had not given her permission .

    Residents of New Orleans watched as the flood waters continued to poor through the breach in the 17th Street Canal levee and by Wednesday their frustration began to boil. The summer sun baked survivors on rooftops. Those who made it to the Superdome were now wandering through the gutted building, waiting for relief supplies and help which never came. Mayor Ray Nagin cursed everyone who failed to move fast enough, but Kathleen Blanco toured the stricken city in a helicopter while she conducted a news interview for CBS. On the ground, state officials were struggling with the magnitude of the disaster, but were rapidly being overwhelmed.

    Federal officials were on standby, ready to move, but Governor Blanco had still mot made a decision to ask for federal help.

    That evening, Blanco watched as reports of rapes and looting poured into the command center. National news agencies began to run video of looters breaking into stores and making off with garbage bags of goods. One policeman was shot in the head.

    Other rescue workers reported hearing bullets zinging around them as they tried to save lives. New Orleans was out of control, and the media was wondering who was in charge.

    On Thursday, September 1, amid a growing clamor of questions about the lack of action being taken in New Orleans, Blanco finally signed Executive Order KBB-2005-23, giving permission for the federal government to enter Louisiana with military assistance.

    FEMA began to move supplies into the stricken parishes along the path of Katrina. The Red Cross was finally given permission to deliver the food and water it had stockpiled in the area. Lt. General Russel Honore arrived and began to take command of the military assets which were already in place. As he barked orders, things began to happen, rapidly. Mayor Ray Nagin said, "He came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving.” Nagin called Gen Honore a “John Wayne kind of dude!”

    In the first 12 hours after Governor Blanco relinquished control of the rescue and relief effort in New Orleans, military helicopters flew more rescue missions than in the previous three days. Un-official count of those taken out of the flooded city topped 10,000.

    By Friday September 2, the federal relief effort was in full swing. Gen. Honore was now totally in charge and the effects of a firm leader were evident. A convoy of about 50 military vehicles arrived at the Convention Center where 7,000 storm survivors had waited for 4 days without food or water. When the convoy arrived military police quickly took charge and began to assist the survivors. State officials had halted the evacuations from two New Orleans hospitals, however, under Gen Honore’s command, the Army and National Guard began ferrying the injured and sick to safety.

    State Police, along with Military Police and other federal law enforcement agencies began restoring order. President Bush visited command posts in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to personally make sure that everything that could be done, was being done. When he returned to Washington on the evening of September 2, he signed a temporary spending bill directing 10.2 billion dollars in aid be sent to Katrina affected states. The situation was beginning to improve.

    When the sick and injured are evacuated, the looters arrested, and the water drained, New Orleans will begin the enormous task of clean up and reconstruction. Already there are those in Congress who recognize that Louisiana has a reputation for being the most corrupt state in the country. They are strongly advocating that any federal money sent to Louisiana NOT be put into the hands of Louisiana officials.

    Rep. Tom Tancredo suggested that all federal money be funneled through a House Committee. “Given the long history of political corruption in Louisiana, I am not confident that Louisiana officials can be trusted to administer federal relief aid.”

    Currently, three officials with Louisiana State Office of Emergency Preparedness are under indictment for mis-handling of 30 million dollars in FEMA funds. In typical Louisiana fashion, Mark Smith of the Louisiana Homeland Security office said, “Really, it’s not that the money was misspent here or misspent there...it’s just a case of improper paperwork.”

    Justice Department officials have said that 30 million dollars is a lot of misfiled forms. Reports state the money was spent on professional dues, up-scale leather briefcases, large screen T.V.s, stereo equipment, and a trip to Germany.

    As coastal Louisiana begins to recover from this disaster, the voters in Louisiana are beginning to re-evaluate their choice of leaders. The voices for change in a state that has been called the nations only “banana republic” are growing louder. They vow to rebuild, both their beloved New Orleans and the political system that failed he

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    Re: About those

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    He knew. He plays dirty. Next up he'll move over to the claim that actually, he was complaining about how much Obama spent on Nantucket when he could have given it to Katrina victims.




    Yah.  Thank god you never play dirty.

    But, you aren't really interested in this thread.

     
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    Re: About those

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    Just before midnight on August 26, three days before Katrina was to make landfall, Kathleen Blanco received a phone call from George Bush. The president had been through a series of briefings from Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and knew the potential dangers to New Orleans and the surrounding area from a storm the size of Katrina. Now he was attempting to convince the Governor of Louisiana that she needed to take immediate action.

    His pleas fell on deaf ears. It seemed that the Governor was more concerned with the legalities of accepting federal assistance, and the appearance that her office could not handle the emergency.

    Despite Governor Blanco’s reluctance to coordinate the state’s efforts with federal assistance, President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana two full days before Katrina hit the Louisiana coast. The move allowed FEMA to begin staging relief supplies for immediate distribution in New Orleans once the storm had passed.

    The president's emergency declaration also allowed FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes. All that was left to do was wait for Kathleen Blanco to request Federal assistance. Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which was revised after 9/11, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

    Meanwhile Blanco had her own advisors insisting that the President was actually making a request for federal takeover of the Louisiana National Guard, and asking to put Louisiana State Police under federal control. They were concerned that this would be the same as martial law and lead to abuse of power by the federal government.

    The next day, August 27, Bush called Blanco again and urged her to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, she refuses.

    By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts. On this same day, Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Mayor Ray Nagin and educated him on the force of nature was bearing down on his city.

    He stressed to Nagin that this storm could clean New Orleans off the map. “A storm this size and intensity will destroy the levees in New Orleans, they were not built for this,” he said. Apparently Maxfield made his point, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans on Sunday, August 28.

    At 6:44am on August 29, Hurricane Katrina crossed Caprien Bay and slammed into Buras, Louisiana packing winds of 144 miles an hour and pushing a 24 foot wall of water ahead of her. The tidal surge fanned out in a cone ahead of the eye wall. As she crossed the Biloxi Wildlife Management Area and into Lake Borgne, the wall of water entered Lake Ponchartrain and began to affect the levee system of New Orleans.

    The eye continued north and made landfall again at the Mississippi/Louisiana border. As Katrina progressed inland the wind shifted, forcing additional pressure on the 17th Street Canal levee.

    On the afternoon of August 29, in downtown New Orleans and the French Quarter, the brunt of the high winds had passed. Residents began to peek out and discovered the city was mostly intact. There was wind damage, and some water in the streets, but they had seen this before and weren't concerned. Sometime during the night of the 29th or early morning of the 30th, water began to poor through the 17th Street Canal levee. New Orleans began to flood.

    By Tuesday, August 30, the federal relief effort began shipping food, water and medical supplies toward Louisiana for use in New Orleans. The same operation was underway in Mississippi and Alabama. The governors of those states had a already signed on to federal help and relief was pouring in. Governor Blanco was the lone holdout. She had still not made a decision.

    The Department of Defense sent search and rescue experts, doctors, nurses and support personnel. FEMA was there to help as much as they could but local and state officials would not allow them to participate because Governor Blanco still had not given her permission .

    Residents of New Orleans watched as the flood waters continued to poor through the breach in the 17th Street Canal levee and by Wednesday their frustration began to boil. The summer sun baked survivors on rooftops. Those who made it to the Superdome were now wandering through the gutted building, waiting for relief supplies and help which never came. Mayor Ray Nagin cursed everyone who failed to move fast enough, but Kathleen Blanco toured the stricken city in a helicopter while she conducted a news interview for CBS. On the ground, state officials were struggling with the magnitude of the disaster, but were rapidly being overwhelmed.

    Federal officials were on standby, ready to move, but Governor Blanco had still mot made a decision to ask for federal help.

    That evening, Blanco watched as reports of rapes and looting poured into the command center. National news agencies began to run video of looters breaking into stores and making off with garbage bags of goods. One policeman was shot in the head.

    Other rescue workers reported hearing bullets zinging around them as they tried to save lives. New Orleans was out of control, and the media was wondering who was in charge.

    On Thursday, September 1, amid a growing clamor of questions about the lack of action being taken in New Orleans, Blanco finally signed Executive Order KBB-2005-23, giving permission for the federal government to enter Louisiana with military assistance.

    FEMA began to move supplies into the stricken parishes along the path of Katrina. The Red Cross was finally given permission to deliver the food and water it had stockpiled in the area. Lt. General Russel Honore arrived and began to take command of the military assets which were already in place. As he barked orders, things began to happen, rapidly. Mayor Ray Nagin said, "He came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving.” Nagin called Gen Honore a “John Wayne kind of dude!”

    In the first 12 hours after Governor Blanco relinquished control of the rescue and relief effort in New Orleans, military helicopters flew more rescue missions than in the previous three days. Un-official count of those taken out of the flooded city topped 10,000.

    By Friday September 2, the federal relief effort was in full swing. Gen. Honore was now totally in charge and the effects of a firm leader were evident. A convoy of about 50 military vehicles arrived at the Convention Center where 7,000 storm survivors had waited for 4 days without food or water. When the convoy arrived military police quickly took charge and began to assist the survivors. State officials had halted the evacuations from two New Orleans hospitals, however, under Gen Honore’s command, the Army and National Guard began ferrying the injured and sick to safety.

    State Police, along with Military Police and other federal law enforcement agencies began restoring order. President Bush visited command posts in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to personally make sure that everything that could be done, was being done. When he returned to Washington on the evening of September 2, he signed a temporary spending bill directing 10.2 billion dollars in aid be sent to Katrina affected states. The situation was beginning to improve.

    When the sick and injured are evacuated, the looters arrested, and the water drained, New Orleans will begin the enormous task of clean up and reconstruction. Already there are those in Congress who recognize that Louisiana has a reputation for being the most corrupt state in the country. They are strongly advocating that any federal money sent to Louisiana NOT be put into the hands of Louisiana officials.

    Rep. Tom Tancredo suggested that all federal money be funneled through a House Committee. “Given the long history of political corruption in Louisiana, I am not confident that Louisiana officials can be trusted to administer federal relief aid.”

    Currently, three officials with Louisiana State Office of Emergency Preparedness are under indictment for mis-handling of 30 million dollars in FEMA funds. In typical Louisiana fashion, Mark Smith of the Louisiana Homeland Security office said, “Really, it’s not that the money was misspent here or misspent there...it’s just a case of improper paperwork.”

    Justice Department officials have said that 30 million dollars is a lot of misfiled forms. Reports state the money was spent on professional dues, up-scale leather briefcases, large screen T.V.s, stereo equipment, and a trip to Germany.

    As coastal Louisiana begins to recover from this disaster, the voters in Louisiana are beginning to re-evaluate their choice of leaders. The voices for change in a state that has been called the nations only “banana republic” are growing louder. They vow to rebuild, both their beloved New Orleans and the political system that failed he

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts



    I could take hours picking this apart, but once you acknowledge, as ACC said, that EMAC has nothing to do with the federal government, and that the act of declaring a national disaster puts FEMA in charge of co-ordinating the relief effort, you quickly realize you're dealing with a piece of historical fiction.

     

     
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    Re: About those

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to skeeter20's comment:
    [QUOTE]Thank god you never play dirty.

     


    No, thank me for that. Not some invisible fellow from a storybook.

    [/QUOTE]

    See?  I give you an opportunityto just be quiet and disinterested, and you go and insult.  Sigh.  I'll pray for you.

     
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    Re: About those

    In response to slomag's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:
    [QUOTE]

     

    Just before midnight on August 26, three days before Katrina was to make landfall, Kathleen Blanco received a phone call from George Bush. The president had been through a series of briefings from Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and knew the potential dangers to New Orleans and the surrounding area from a storm the size of Katrina. Now he was attempting to convince the Governor of Louisiana that she needed to take immediate action.

    His pleas fell on deaf ears. It seemed that the Governor was more concerned with the legalities of accepting federal assistance, and the appearance that her office could not handle the emergency.

    Despite Governor Blanco’s reluctance to coordinate the state’s efforts with federal assistance, President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana two full days before Katrina hit the Louisiana coast. The move allowed FEMA to begin staging relief supplies for immediate distribution in New Orleans once the storm had passed.

    The president's emergency declaration also allowed FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes. All that was left to do was wait for Kathleen Blanco to request Federal assistance. Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which was revised after 9/11, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

    Meanwhile Blanco had her own advisors insisting that the President was actually making a request for federal takeover of the Louisiana National Guard, and asking to put Louisiana State Police under federal control. They were concerned that this would be the same as martial law and lead to abuse of power by the federal government.

    The next day, August 27, Bush called Blanco again and urged her to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, she refuses.

    By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts. On this same day, Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Mayor Ray Nagin and educated him on the force of nature was bearing down on his city.

    He stressed to Nagin that this storm could clean New Orleans off the map. “A storm this size and intensity will destroy the levees in New Orleans, they were not built for this,” he said. Apparently Maxfield made his point, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans on Sunday, August 28.

    At 6:44am on August 29, Hurricane Katrina crossed Caprien Bay and slammed into Buras, Louisiana packing winds of 144 miles an hour and pushing a 24 foot wall of water ahead of her. The tidal surge fanned out in a cone ahead of the eye wall. As she crossed the Biloxi Wildlife Management Area and into Lake Borgne, the wall of water entered Lake Ponchartrain and began to affect the levee system of New Orleans.

    The eye continued north and made landfall again at the Mississippi/Louisiana border. As Katrina progressed inland the wind shifted, forcing additional pressure on the 17th Street Canal levee.

    On the afternoon of August 29, in downtown New Orleans and the French Quarter, the brunt of the high winds had passed. Residents began to peek out and discovered the city was mostly intact. There was wind damage, and some water in the streets, but they had seen this before and weren't concerned. Sometime during the night of the 29th or early morning of the 30th, water began to poor through the 17th Street Canal levee. New Orleans began to flood.

    By Tuesday, August 30, the federal relief effort began shipping food, water and medical supplies toward Louisiana for use in New Orleans. The same operation was underway in Mississippi and Alabama. The governors of those states had a already signed on to federal help and relief was pouring in. Governor Blanco was the lone holdout. She had still not made a decision.

    The Department of Defense sent search and rescue experts, doctors, nurses and support personnel. FEMA was there to help as much as they could but local and state officials would not allow them to participate because Governor Blanco still had not given her permission .

    Residents of New Orleans watched as the flood waters continued to poor through the breach in the 17th Street Canal levee and by Wednesday their frustration began to boil. The summer sun baked survivors on rooftops. Those who made it to the Superdome were now wandering through the gutted building, waiting for relief supplies and help which never came. Mayor Ray Nagin cursed everyone who failed to move fast enough, but Kathleen Blanco toured the stricken city in a helicopter while she conducted a news interview for CBS. On the ground, state officials were struggling with the magnitude of the disaster, but were rapidly being overwhelmed.

    Federal officials were on standby, ready to move, but Governor Blanco had still mot made a decision to ask for federal help.

    That evening, Blanco watched as reports of rapes and looting poured into the command center. National news agencies began to run video of looters breaking into stores and making off with garbage bags of goods. One policeman was shot in the head.

    Other rescue workers reported hearing bullets zinging around them as they tried to save lives. New Orleans was out of control, and the media was wondering who was in charge.

    On Thursday, September 1, amid a growing clamor of questions about the lack of action being taken in New Orleans, Blanco finally signed Executive Order KBB-2005-23, giving permission for the federal government to enter Louisiana with military assistance.

    FEMA began to move supplies into the stricken parishes along the path of Katrina. The Red Cross was finally given permission to deliver the food and water it had stockpiled in the area. Lt. General Russel Honore arrived and began to take command of the military assets which were already in place. As he barked orders, things began to happen, rapidly. Mayor Ray Nagin said, "He came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving.” Nagin called Gen Honore a “John Wayne kind of dude!”

    In the first 12 hours after Governor Blanco relinquished control of the rescue and relief effort in New Orleans, military helicopters flew more rescue missions than in the previous three days. Un-official count of those taken out of the flooded city topped 10,000.

    By Friday September 2, the federal relief effort was in full swing. Gen. Honore was now totally in charge and the effects of a firm leader were evident. A convoy of about 50 military vehicles arrived at the Convention Center where 7,000 storm survivors had waited for 4 days without food or water. When the convoy arrived military police quickly took charge and began to assist the survivors. State officials had halted the evacuations from two New Orleans hospitals, however, under Gen Honore’s command, the Army and National Guard began ferrying the injured and sick to safety.

    State Police, along with Military Police and other federal law enforcement agencies began restoring order. President Bush visited command posts in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to personally make sure that everything that could be done, was being done. When he returned to Washington on the evening of September 2, he signed a temporary spending bill directing 10.2 billion dollars in aid be sent to Katrina affected states. The situation was beginning to improve.

    When the sick and injured are evacuated, the looters arrested, and the water drained, New Orleans will begin the enormous task of clean up and reconstruction. Already there are those in Congress who recognize that Louisiana has a reputation for being the most corrupt state in the country. They are strongly advocating that any federal money sent to Louisiana NOT be put into the hands of Louisiana officials.

    Rep. Tom Tancredo suggested that all federal money be funneled through a House Committee. “Given the long history of political corruption in Louisiana, I am not confident that Louisiana officials can be trusted to administer federal relief aid.”

    Currently, three officials with Louisiana State Office of Emergency Preparedness are under indictment for mis-handling of 30 million dollars in FEMA funds. In typical Louisiana fashion, Mark Smith of the Louisiana Homeland Security office said, “Really, it’s not that the money was misspent here or misspent there...it’s just a case of improper paperwork.”

    Justice Department officials have said that 30 million dollars is a lot of misfiled forms. Reports state the money was spent on professional dues, up-scale leather briefcases, large screen T.V.s, stereo equipment, and a trip to Germany.

    As coastal Louisiana begins to recover from this disaster, the voters in Louisiana are beginning to re-evaluate their choice of leaders. The voices for change in a state that has been called the nations only “banana republic” are growing louder. They vow to rebuild, both their beloved New Orleans and the political system that failed he

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1484139/posts

     



    I could take hours picking this apart, but once you acknowledge, as ACC said, that EMAC has nothing to do with the federal government, and that the act of declaring a national disaster puts FEMA in charge of co-ordinating the relief effort, you quickly realize you're dealing with a piece of historical fiction.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Sure.  Keep telling yourself that.

    Let me ask you a question:  Do you hold Nagin and Blanco at least as accountable as you hold Bush? 

     
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