Administration implementation of Oquestration impacts developed for maximum pain

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    OK here we go with the planned Oquestration on March first, the government has develop a comprehensive plan to hit all of us in the pocket book. The comprehensive plan appears to have been devised to hit as many as possible and hit middle America in very visible ways.  The planned furloughs; of 6000 food inspectors will spike meat and poultry prices while having a negative impact on safety, OSHA agents will impact worker safety, TSA will impact travelers, government civilian defense workers will take it on the chin as well as workers at defense plants and Sandy disaster funds will be held up.

     

    So instead of working to address this properly the Administration appears to be making this into a maximum impact plan.  Obama thinks he can use sequestration as a cudgel against the GOP who are trying to hold the line on taxes, but the sequestration may become Oquestration if the GOP gets its message out.  The sequester blame game could come back on POTUS in a very negative way.

     

    Snip-it from http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/19/news/economy/spending-cuts/index.html

     

    What would be affected? Most federal programs and activities.

    Indeed, the cuts on non-exempt areas will be broadly felt. Food inspections, border security, weather monitoring, medical research, disaster response, education programs and Meals on Wheels for seniors would be compromised.

    Federal workers at different agencies would face furloughs. They may be told not to come to work one or two days every week or every pay period until September. And they won't be paid for those furloughed days.

    "Core operations would have to be shut down or curtailed across nearly all federal agencies," White House Budget Office Controller Danny Werfel said in testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee. 

     
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    Given that many on the right are claiming the sequester won't a big deal (in the same way they said breaching the debt limit wouldn't be a big deal, or going over the fiscal cliff wouldn't be a big deal), the GOP has far more to lose, politically.  Polling of the public already indicates where the lion's share of blame will go:  Congress, specifically the GOP. 

     
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    Given that many on the right are claiming the sequester won't a big deal (in the same way they said breaching the debt limit wouldn't be a big deal, or going over the fiscal cliff wouldn't be a big deal), the GOP has far more to lose, politically.  Polling of the public already indicates where the lion's share of blame will go:  Congress, specifically the GOP. 

     




    Why not just pile it on. I mean the GOP gets blamed for anything and everything anyways. I dont see how cutting out 44 billion from the budget is gonna hurt when the budget this year is bigger than last year. That 44 billion is CRUCIAL!! This is what obama wants, Make it look like he trying to comprimise, When in reality he couldnt be paid to comprimise. Make the GOP Look bad, Get the public on your side and Do whatever you want.

     

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

    Obama Can only go so long Not being involved in the legislative process before he's seen as one of the main actors in washingtons disfunction. Hes been so Certain that he has the Upper hand against republicans that he didnt communicate with them until yesterday. A WEEK Before the Sequester ax is too hit. Does this sound like a person that is intrested in comprimise at all??? Not to me it doesnt.

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

     

     

    Obama Can only go so long Not being involved in the legislative process before he's seen as one of the main actors in washingtons disfunction. Hes been so Certain that he has the Upper hand against republicans that he didnt communicate with them until yesterday. A WEEK Before the Sequester ax is too hit. Does this sound like a person that is intrested in comprimise at all??? Not to me it doesnt.




    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.  Congress controls the purse stings and it is THEIR DUTY to act.  As for why he hasn't reached out to the GOP, so what?  When he and Boehner were having their "nicorete and merlot" sessions and working to craft a debt limit deal, Boehner was being undermined by his own right hand man, Eric Cantor.  The GOP house freshman revolted and the Senate had to do the deal, which in part resulted in the idea for the sequester.  Boehner has already told his caucus he won't engage Obama in the same way so what is it that you expect?  The White House has taken a position that action is better than drama and that the legislators should do their damned jobs. 

     
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    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.

     

    Thats what i mean by being "Involved". Sry i didnt write it out in crayon for you.

     
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    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.

     

    Thats what i mean by being "Involved". Sry i didnt write it out in crayon for you.




    As has been pointed out, there are two Dem proposals out there.  Where is the GOP's?  The GOP doesn't want to be seen as working with Obama, hell they barely want to be physically seen with him, and his job isn't to meet them 80 percent of the way in order for them to just say "no" and then retreat to a press conference to call him a socialist again for the one millionth time.  The GOP needs to put on their big boy pants and stop being scared of its own know nothing members in the house, FoxNews and other right wing pundits on the airwaves, tea party agitators, and the billionaires bankrolling the whole thing and do their jobs.  All they've done is craft a PR strategy to blame Obama and the public isn't buying it. 

     
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    Obama Wont even meet them in the middle. Its his way or no way. Obama is the the one crafting the PR stradegy. Dont get me wrong im equally as mad at both sides for this mess they share an equal part in it. Obama should be present to bring people together, not divide them. Thats what a leader does, or is suppose to do.

     
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    Apparently the GOP PR campaign is working. Well...   duh. When you've got a party, who along with its supporters have morphed from merely disagreeing about policy to actively hating the other party's President.



    Pointing out that the President owns Sequestration as much if not more then the GOP; is hardly an act of hate; its reality and some people just don't like it.  Especially when they thought they get a free pass.

     
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    the President owns Sequestration



    Well I remember watching this happen so....       no. He does not "own" it.

     

     

    The people who held the debt limit hostage to get a spending-cut only deal, and then blew up the Boehner-Obama deal, own it. They forced Boehner to argue for sequester:

     


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    See the name at the bottom there?

     

    K. And Obama agreed. The idea being: ok, well, if we agree to something that will p!ss everyone off, maybe we'll have to work out a deal to avoid this.

    Saying Obama exclusively owns this is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.



    It would be nice if you clipped my whole statement to make your point; but then you wouldn't have had one.  I think you missed the as much if not more then the GOP.  The GOP PR machine is trying to deal with the MSM who is only tarring them with this mess.

    Pointing out that the President owns Sequestration as much if not more then the GOP; is hardly an act of hate; its reality and some people just don't like it.  Especially when they thought they get a free pass.

     
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    It really is quite disgusting to watch Obama-haters say "we forced you to agree to this. Now it's all your fault! neener neener neeeeeeener"



    It's really quite disgusting to watch the GOP haters surrounded by the Obama MSM cheer leaders say, "the GOP forced this, look at all these bad consequences and now all the polls show they the GOP own the blame!" neenr, neeeener , neeeeeener

     
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    You nailed it, Joe.

    The Transportation Secretary Joe LaHood made a "surprise appearance" at the White House scaremongering session today....he came armed with more threats if we the people dont surrender to the Almighty Government's insatiable endless need for more of our money ...

    Airport delays.....long lines....drone strikes are next, no doubt....

    And to think these public sector hacks supposed to work for us...instead, they threaten us.

     
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    You nailed it, Joe.

    The Transportation Secretary Joe LaHood made a "surprise appearance" at the White House scaremongering session today....he came armed with more threats if we the people dont surrender to the Almighty Government's insatiable endless need for more of our money ...

    Airport delays.....long lines....drone strikes are next, no doubt....

    And to think these public sector hacks supposed to work for us...instead, they threaten us.



    I'm OK with losing the TSA all together.  Give security back to the airlines. 

     
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    However, for the record, I disagree. If he owns any part of it it's a lot smaller than the GOP.

    The GOP can't expect to do things like take the debt limit hostage and then issue a no-compromise demand for a spending-cut only package, and expect people to blame the President.

     It's like the payroll tax cut. Blaming Obama for its expiration is downright dishonest if the GOP outright completely refuses to extend it....    and a deal must be made to avoid an impending crisis. That they created. For that purpose.

     



    Well Bob Woodward would disagree woith you as he has with the WH.  Highly under reported, no surprise.

     

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/bob-woodward-obama-owns-sequestration-87978.html?hp=l1

     

     

    Bob Woodward: Obama owns sequestration

     

    Journalism icon Bob Woodward wrote in a new Washington Post op-ed first that the sequester was the “brain child” of the White House, calling out President Barack Obama for saying it was created by Congress.

     

    My extensive reporting for my book The Price of Politics shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of [Jack Lew, then-budget director during the negotiations] and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors "probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government," Woodward wrote on a piece posted on Friday night.

     

    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."

     

     
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    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."




     

    And Boehner developed one with the policy committee and sent it around on July 31, 2011.

    It was titled “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

    That is where the slides in this thread came from.

     




     

    So let's see.

    Republicans manufacture an immediate crisis by holding the debt limit hostage.

    Both Boehner and Obama are talking sequester.

    Republicans want to hit Dems where they think it will hurt. Democrats want to hit Reps where they think it will hurt.

    The sequester goes through, everybody expecting the other side to bargain when the time comes.

     

     

     

    And this is somehow exclusively Obama's fault?



    This sounds like its more Obama then GOP.  Woodward one of our finest investigative reporters.

     

    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."

     
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    This sounds like its more Obama then GOP.  

     

    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."

     




     

    Wow, that's freakin hilarious.

    Sooo when the majority of wingnuts in Congress voted for it, that was Obama's fault?

    When the wingnut Speaker of the HoR does a Powerpoint presentation on it, that was Obama 'owning' it.

     



    Now that I have your attention; the main point her is that the President doesn't get a free ride on this; his finger prints are all over it too as in also; but you'd never think that from the MSM press coverage.

     
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    This sounds like its more Obama then GOP.  Woodward one of our finest investigative reporters.

    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."

     




     

    Well of course it sounds that way if you choose to ignore:

    - The reason anyone found it necessary to talk about a sequester

    - Boehner's own efforts to send a sequester to his party

    - All other history and sources.

    And focus on one guy who makes a claim that sounds that way.

     

     

     

    Similarly, it sounds like the moon landing didn't happen if one chooses to ignore all evidence that it did.



    Yes, you see after all this.........the President is just a s guilty and he doesn't get a freakin free ride although the MSM is committed to giving him one in that they continue to push poll blaming the GOP.  It's that level of divisive manipulation that really sets me off.

     
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    Look, enough of the BS from both sides.  We are in a world of trouble if we can't cut 1% in the rate of growth in spending.

    Enough borrowing from the future to pay for the largess of today. 

    Enough of the making all the cuts in the places theat will hurt the most number of people.

    Enough of the political positioning by both sides:  no one in Washington is taking this seriously.

    If we do not cut real spending, significantly, and soon, we will cease to exist.

     
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