Administration implementation of Oquestration impacts developed for maximum pain

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    OK here we go with the planned Oquestration on March first, the government has develop a comprehensive plan to hit all of us in the pocket book. The comprehensive plan appears to have been devised to hit as many as possible and hit middle America in very visible ways.  The planned furloughs; of 6000 food inspectors will spike meat and poultry prices while having a negative impact on safety, OSHA agents will impact worker safety, TSA will impact travelers, government civilian defense workers will take it on the chin as well as workers at defense plants and Sandy disaster funds will be held up.

     

    So instead of working to address this properly the Administration appears to be making this into a maximum impact plan.  Obama thinks he can use sequestration as a cudgel against the GOP who are trying to hold the line on taxes, but the sequestration may become Oquestration if the GOP gets its message out.  The sequester blame game could come back on POTUS in a very negative way.

     

    Snip-it from http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/19/news/economy/spending-cuts/index.html

     

    What would be affected? Most federal programs and activities.

    Indeed, the cuts on non-exempt areas will be broadly felt. Food inspections, border security, weather monitoring, medical research, disaster response, education programs and Meals on Wheels for seniors would be compromised.

    Federal workers at different agencies would face furloughs. They may be told not to come to work one or two days every week or every pay period until September. And they won't be paid for those furloughed days.

    "Core operations would have to be shut down or curtailed across nearly all federal agencies," White House Budget Office Controller Danny Werfel said in testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee. 

     
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    Given that many on the right are claiming the sequester won't a big deal (in the same way they said breaching the debt limit wouldn't be a big deal, or going over the fiscal cliff wouldn't be a big deal), the GOP has far more to lose, politically.  Polling of the public already indicates where the lion's share of blame will go:  Congress, specifically the GOP. 

     
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    Given that many on the right are claiming the sequester won't a big deal (in the same way they said breaching the debt limit wouldn't be a big deal, or going over the fiscal cliff wouldn't be a big deal), the GOP has far more to lose, politically.  Polling of the public already indicates where the lion's share of blame will go:  Congress, specifically the GOP. 

     




    Why not just pile it on. I mean the GOP gets blamed for anything and everything anyways. I dont see how cutting out 44 billion from the budget is gonna hurt when the budget this year is bigger than last year. That 44 billion is CRUCIAL!! This is what obama wants, Make it look like he trying to comprimise, When in reality he couldnt be paid to comprimise. Make the GOP Look bad, Get the public on your side and Do whatever you want.

     

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

    Obama Can only go so long Not being involved in the legislative process before he's seen as one of the main actors in washingtons disfunction. Hes been so Certain that he has the Upper hand against republicans that he didnt communicate with them until yesterday. A WEEK Before the Sequester ax is too hit. Does this sound like a person that is intrested in comprimise at all??? Not to me it doesnt.

     
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    Obama doesn't need to make the GOP look bad, they have accomplished that all by themselves.  The public recalls the fight over the debt limit and how that brinkmanship caused the US to have its credit downgraded while the GOP gleefully noted that the debt limit was a hostage worth ransoming.  Same thing with the fiscal cliff, the dysfunctional house couldn't get anything done, and even sunk Boehner's "plan B" proposal.  Fortunately the Senate stepped in to save the day, yet again. 

    A functioning congress wouldn't have needed something as dramatic as the sequester to motivate them in the first place, and even though the House GOP passed the plan (every dem voted against it) now they want to act like its all Obama's plan.  The idea for the sequester grew out of legislative gridlock and was supposed to be a motivator to keep last minute hand wringing from happening again.  So whether Obama meets and negotiates with the GOP as he did with Boehner previously or doesn't meet with them the same result seems to happen. 

     

     

    Obama Can only go so long Not being involved in the legislative process before he's seen as one of the main actors in washingtons disfunction. Hes been so Certain that he has the Upper hand against republicans that he didnt communicate with them until yesterday. A WEEK Before the Sequester ax is too hit. Does this sound like a person that is intrested in comprimise at all??? Not to me it doesnt.




    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.  Congress controls the purse stings and it is THEIR DUTY to act.  As for why he hasn't reached out to the GOP, so what?  When he and Boehner were having their "nicorete and merlot" sessions and working to craft a debt limit deal, Boehner was being undermined by his own right hand man, Eric Cantor.  The GOP house freshman revolted and the Senate had to do the deal, which in part resulted in the idea for the sequester.  Boehner has already told his caucus he won't engage Obama in the same way so what is it that you expect?  The White House has taken a position that action is better than drama and that the legislators should do their damned jobs. 

     
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    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.

     

    Thats what i mean by being "Involved". Sry i didnt write it out in crayon for you.

     
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    Obama doesn't serve in the legislature, therefore his involvement can only be as an advocate or oppenent or particular legislation.

     

    Thats what i mean by being "Involved". Sry i didnt write it out in crayon for you.




    As has been pointed out, there are two Dem proposals out there.  Where is the GOP's?  The GOP doesn't want to be seen as working with Obama, hell they barely want to be physically seen with him, and his job isn't to meet them 80 percent of the way in order for them to just say "no" and then retreat to a press conference to call him a socialist again for the one millionth time.  The GOP needs to put on their big boy pants and stop being scared of its own know nothing members in the house, FoxNews and other right wing pundits on the airwaves, tea party agitators, and the billionaires bankrolling the whole thing and do their jobs.  All they've done is craft a PR strategy to blame Obama and the public isn't buying it. 

     
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    Obama Wont even meet them in the middle. Its his way or no way. Obama is the the one crafting the PR stradegy. Dont get me wrong im equally as mad at both sides for this mess they share an equal part in it. Obama should be present to bring people together, not divide them. Thats what a leader does, or is suppose to do.

     
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    Apparently the GOP PR campaign is working. Well...   duh. When you've got a party, who along with its supporters have morphed from merely disagreeing about policy to actively hating the other party's President.

     
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    Apparently the GOP PR campaign is working. Well...   duh. When you've got a party, who along with its supporters have morphed from merely disagreeing about policy to actively hating the other party's President.



    Pointing out that the President owns Sequestration as much if not more then the GOP; is hardly an act of hate; its reality and some people just don't like it.  Especially when they thought they get a free pass.

     
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    the President owns Sequestration


    Well I remember watching this happen so....       no. He does not "own" it.

     

    The people who held the debt limit hostage to get a spending-cut only deal, and then blew up the Boehner-Obama deal, own it. They forced Boehner to argue for sequester:

     


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    See the name at the bottom there?

     

    K. And Obama agreed. The idea being: ok, well, if we agree to something that will p!ss everyone off, maybe we'll have to work out a deal to avoid this.

    Saying Obama exclusively owns this is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.

     
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    It really is quite disgusting to watch Obama-haters say "we forced you to agree to this. Now it's all your fault! neener neener neeeeeeener"

     
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    the President owns Sequestration



    Well I remember watching this happen so....       no. He does not "own" it.

     

     

    The people who held the debt limit hostage to get a spending-cut only deal, and then blew up the Boehner-Obama deal, own it. They forced Boehner to argue for sequester:

     


    1361370038688     1361370106003  

     

    See the name at the bottom there?

     

    K. And Obama agreed. The idea being: ok, well, if we agree to something that will p!ss everyone off, maybe we'll have to work out a deal to avoid this.

    Saying Obama exclusively owns this is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.



    It would be nice if you clipped my whole statement to make your point; but then you wouldn't have had one.  I think you missed the as much if not more then the GOP.  The GOP PR machine is trying to deal with the MSM who is only tarring them with this mess.

    Pointing out that the President owns Sequestration as much if not more then the GOP; is hardly an act of hate; its reality and some people just don't like it.  Especially when they thought they get a free pass.

     
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    It really is quite disgusting to watch Obama-haters say "we forced you to agree to this. Now it's all your fault! neener neener neeeeeeener"



    It's really quite disgusting to watch the GOP haters surrounded by the Obama MSM cheer leaders say, "the GOP forced this, look at all these bad consequences and now all the polls show they the GOP own the blame!" neenr, neeeener , neeeeeener

     
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    You nailed it, Joe.

    The Transportation Secretary Joe LaHood made a "surprise appearance" at the White House scaremongering session today....he came armed with more threats if we the people dont surrender to the Almighty Government's insatiable endless need for more of our money ...

    Airport delays.....long lines....drone strikes are next, no doubt....

    And to think these public sector hacks supposed to work for us...instead, they threaten us.

     
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    You nailed it, Joe.

    The Transportation Secretary Joe LaHood made a "surprise appearance" at the White House scaremongering session today....he came armed with more threats if we the people dont surrender to the Almighty Government's insatiable endless need for more of our money ...

    Airport delays.....long lines....drone strikes are next, no doubt....

    And to think these public sector hacks supposed to work for us...instead, they threaten us.



    I'm OK with losing the TSA all together.  Give security back to the airlines. 

     
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    the President owns Sequestration



    Well I remember watching this happen so....       no. He does not "own" it.

     

     

    The people who held the debt limit hostage to get a spending-cut only deal, and then blew up the Boehner-Obama deal, own it. They forced Boehner to argue for sequester:

     


    1361370038688     1361370106003  

     

    See the name at the bottom there?

     

    K. And Obama agreed. The idea being: ok, well, if we agree to something that will p!ss everyone off, maybe we'll have to work out a deal to avoid this.

    Saying Obama exclusively owns this is intellectually (and historically) dishonest.

     



    It would be nice if you clipped my whole statement to make your point; but then you wouldn't have had one.  I think you missed the as much if not more then the GOP. The GOP PR machine is trying to deal with the MSM who is only tarring them with this mess.

     

    Pointing out that the President owns Sequestration as much if not more then the GOP; is hardly an act of hate; its reality and some people just don't like it.  Especially when they thought they get a free pass.




     

    Well that is my bad because I completely missed that part of your statement. Apologies.

     
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    However, for the record, I disagree. If he owns any part of it it's a lot smaller than the GOP.

    The GOP can't expect to do things like take the debt limit hostage and then issue a no-compromise demand for a spending-cut only package, and expect people to blame the President.

     It's like the payroll tax cut. Blaming Obama for its expiration is downright dishonest if the GOP outright completely refuses to extend it....    and a deal must be made to avoid an impending crisis. That they created. For that purpose.

     
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    Obama thinks he can use sequestration as a cudgel against the GOP


    “I really think they misunderstood what happened on the fiscal cliff,” Mr. Cole said. “They thought they had Republicans on the run, when all they did was push us to high ground. All the muskets are pointing out. You want to charge the hill? Come on.”

    Note: Cole is a Republican.

     

     

     

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    WASHINGTON — With Congress unlikely to stop deep automatic spending cuts that will strike hard at the military, the fiscal stalemate is highlighting a significant shift in the Republican Party: lawmakers most keenly dedicated to shrinking the size of government are now more dominant than the bloc committed foremost to a robust national defense, particularly in the House.

    That reality also underscores what Republicans, and some Democrats, say was a major miscalculation on the part of President Obama. He agreed to set up the automatic cuts 18 months ago because he believed the threat of sharp reductions in military spending would be enough to force Republicans to agree to a deficit reduction plan that included the tax increases he favored.

    “Fiscal questions trump defense in a way they never would have after 9/11,” said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma. “But the war in Iraq is over. Troops are coming home from Afghanistan, and we want to secure the cuts.”

    Representative Howard P. McKeon of California, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee and one of the lawmakers Democrats had hoped would never accept the military cuts, went almost as far. “Republicans aren’t cookie cutter,” he said, “but we do agree on the basic premise of where we’re trying to go. And if we don’t get our fiscal house in order, it’s very hard to provide for the defense of the nation.”

    As lawmakers prepared to return to Washington, the White House tried to raise the ante by highlighting the effects the cuts would have on programs in every state.

    But at the heart of the battle over sequestration — the nearly $1 trillion in budget cuts that are scheduled to begin on Friday and accelerate over the next decade — are fundamental misunderstandings between the two parties over their respective priorities.

    During the 2011 negotiations to raise the nation’s statutory borrowing limit, Mr. Obama wanted an onerous “trigger” to force both sides to reach a compromise on deficit reduction. For Democrats, the bludgeon that would drive them to negotiate changes to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security would be cuts to domestic programs like child nutrition and national parks. For Republicans, the president wanted automatic tax increases to force a compromise on the broader tax code.

    Republicans balked, but offered what Mr. Obama thought was a different Republican sacred cow — military cuts.

    Ultimately, taxes trumped all of that. Republicans, who last month let taxes rise on incomes over $400,000 to avert broader tax increases and the “fiscal cliff,” are now ready to stand their ground, regardless of the military cuts.

    “I really think they misunderstood what happened on the fiscal cliff,” Mr. Cole said. “They thought they had Republicans on the run, when all they did was push us to high ground. All the muskets are pointing out. You want to charge the hill? Come on.”

    But the Republicans were surprised by Democrats, who would not shift the automatic domestic cuts to entitlement programs unless the people least affected by government support — the rich — also bore some of the burden.

    “We always thought it wouldn’t happen because the other side wouldn’t stomach the nondefense reductions,” said Representative Tom Price, a Georgia Republican and a leading voice among House conservatives. “I guess what happened was each side was too smart for the other.”

    Dan Pfeiffer, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama, said on Sunday that there was no miscalculation. In the final months of last year’s presidential campaign, Republicans “racked up a lot of frequent flier miles booking flights to Virginia” to denounce the coming military cuts, he said. If Republican leaders would step out of the way, he said, rank-and-file Republicans most worried about the military cuts would step forward to compromise on taxes.

    A sizable number of Republicans, including many senators, are incensed by the cuts about to fall on the Pentagon, totaling $43 billion for the 2013 fiscal year. Because the Defense Department will have only seven months to put them into effect and because military personnel are protected, military training, weapons acquisition and maintenance stand to be cut by 13 percent.

    President Ronald Reagan’s push in the 1980s for tax cuts and domestic spending restraint were accompanied by a huge military buildup. “There’s no way the party of Ronald Reagan should be accepting these cuts,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who has privately sought some compromise on tax loopholes.

    Writing in the conservative Weekly Standard, William Kristol, a Republican hawk, excoriated Republicans for being “so desperate for a ‘victory’ over Obama” that they were “willing to sacrifice national defense for minor cuts in domestic spending which will in no way fundamentally change our trajectory toward national insolvency.”

    Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, called the cuts “unconscionable” on the CNN program “State of the Union” on Sunday.

    But most Congressional Republicans are standing their ground, a position they say is strategic. The federal government’s growing debt cannot be controlled through the spending at the annual discretion of Congress, and after the cuts take effect, that part of the federal budget will drop to levels not seen in five decades as measured against the size of the economy. Long term, the problem is entitlements, especially Medicare and Social Security.

    The pain of further cuts to discretionary programs could bring Mr. Obama to the negotiating table on them by the spring, if not by midsummer, when Congress must once again raise the government’s borrowing limit.

    “Because the Democratic-controlled Senate and the president refuse to negotiate, the only way to potentially bring them to the table to negotiate is to go forward with the spending reductions as they are,” Mr. Price said.

    With so many rank-and-file Republicans adamant that they would rather see the cuts stand than raise any taxes, Speaker John A. Boehner finds himself in a bind. Three times this year — on the tax deal to resolve the fiscal cliff, on a measure to suspend the debt ceiling and on a package of Hurricane Sandy relief — he has let legislation pass the House against the votes of a majority of Republicans. In 2011, Republicans accepted caps on military spending as well.

    Each time, the speaker has promised to stand his ground on the next showdown with the president. That showdown comes this week.

    Representative Tom Cotton of Arkansas, an Iraq War veteran with combat experience and a rising Republican star, said that the speaker was in a “very tough position” in one-on-one negotiations with the president, and that the opportunity for a grand bargain was gone.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/us/politics/democrats-and-republicans-miscalculate-on-automatic-cuts.html?hp

     

     
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    However, for the record, I disagree. If he owns any part of it it's a lot smaller than the GOP.

    The GOP can't expect to do things like take the debt limit hostage and then issue a no-compromise demand for a spending-cut only package, and expect people to blame the President.

     It's like the payroll tax cut. Blaming Obama for its expiration is downright dishonest if the GOP outright completely refuses to extend it....    and a deal must be made to avoid an impending crisis. That they created. For that purpose.

     



    Well Bob Woodward would disagree woith you as he has with the WH.  Highly under reported, no surprise.

     

     

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/bob-woodward-obama-owns-sequestration-87978.html?hp=l1

     

     

    Bob Woodward: Obama owns sequestration

     

    Journalism icon Bob Woodward wrote in a new Washington Post op-ed first that the sequester was the “brain child” of the White House, calling out President Barack Obama for saying it was created by Congress.

     

    My extensive reporting for my book The Price of Politics shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of [Jack Lew, then-budget director during the negotiations] and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors "probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government," Woodward wrote on a piece posted on Friday night.

     

    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."

     

     
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    Woodward continued: "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid [D-Nev.]. They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved."



    And Boehner developed one with the policy committee and sent it around on July 31, 2011.

    It was titled “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

    That is where the slides in this thread came from.

     
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    Heh, heh, heh...whacko wingnuts: "I was for the sequester before I was against it."

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    Channeling John Kerry is a great way to hit the right.