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Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hahaha....the CBO? Have their projections EVER been correct? I asked for a link. Still haven't seen one




    Oh that's right, fvcking idiots like you just can't comprehend any info that doesn't fit your ignorant view.

     

    Ya, the CBO, which Congress relies on to write their budgets and it's effects and both sides are using in the current budget fights and debt ceiling talks is not to be believed because a fvcking moron like you says so.

    Typical fvcking imbecile, don't like the most accepted source in the country then just ignore it.

    Newsflash spanky, that is why you're such a fvcking moron.



    Again, what projections have they actually gotten correct? 




    Hey numbnuts, it's not a 'projection' it's an evaluation.

    Obviously you don't understand the difference.



    Hahaha...so the CBO makes no projections of anything at all? Really?

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

     

    How Much Do Hospitals Cost Shift? A Review of the Evidence

     

    Context: Hospital cost shifting—charging private payers more in response to shortfalls in public payments—has long been part of the debate over health care policy.

    Findings: Most of the analyses and commentary based on descriptive, industrywide hospital payment-to-cost margins by payer provide a false impression that cost shifting is a large and pervasive phenomenon. More careful theoretical and empirical examinations suggest that cost shifting can and has occurred, but usually at a relatively low rate.

    Conclusions: Policymakers should view with a degree of skepticism most hospital and insurance industry claims of inevitable, large-scale cost shifting. Although some cost shifting may result from changes in public payment policy, it is just one of many possible effects. Moreover, changes in the balance of market power between hospitals and health care plans also significantly affect private prices.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0009.2011.00621.x/full

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hahaha...so the CBO makes no projections of anything at all? Really?



    What the fcuk, exactly, does that have to do with their EVALUATIONS?

     

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hahaha...so the CBO makes no projections of anything at all? Really?




    What the fcuk, exactly, does that have to do with their EVALUATIONS?

     

     



    Oh....maybe credibility??? Just admit you got nothing. 

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Oh....maybe credibility??? Just admit you got nothing. 




    Riiiiight...

     

     

    Because a fvcking idiot like you sitting in a cubicle just knows more about this stuff.

    Gawd pinkie, you're such a fvcking narcissistic idiot it's HILARIOUS!!!

    The only thing you have done is pulled an immature "nah, nah, nah I won't believe it" and tuck your fingers in your ears because you have no argument.

    Admit it, you can't argue facts so you do the only thing morons can do, try and ignore the facts.

    There's no shame in admitting you're incapable of intelligent discourse without relying on wilful ignorance such as making assumptions that you haven't proven and disregarding any evidence to the contrary by sheer will of stupidity.

    Yep, that's some argument a55hole, the CBO is wrong in their evaluations because you say so.

     

    Oh gawd you're a fvcking imbecile.

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Oh....maybe credibility??? Just admit you got nothing. 




    Riiiiight...

     

     

    Because a fvcking idiot like you sitting in a cubicle just knows more about this stuff.

    Gawd pinkie, you're such a fvcking narcissistic idiot it's HILARIOUS!!!

    The only thing you have done is pulled an immature "nah, nah, nah I won't believe it" and tuck your fingers in your ears because you have no argument.

    Admit it, you can't argue facts so you do the only thing morons can do, try and ignore the facts.

    There's no shame in admitting you're incapable of intelligent discourse without relying on wilful ignorance such as making assumptions that you haven't proven and disregarding any evidence to the contrary by sheer will of stupidity.

    Yep, that's some argument a55hole, the CBO is wrong in their evaluations because you say so.

     

    Oh gawd you're a fvcking imbecile.



    Right because that IS what I said. I definitely said I know more than the CBO....sigh....you're hopeless. Good luck to you...

    It's no wonder every time I've asked people to meet in public to debate politics you've run scared and wouldn't accept the offer. Coward!

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Right because that IS what I said. I definitely said I know more than the CBO....sigh....you're hopeless. Good luck to you... It's no wonder every time I've asked people to meet in public to debate politics you've run scared and wouldn't accept the offer. Coward!



    Hey ya fvcking moron, if you don't know more than the CBO then how the fcuk are you able to determine their evaluations are wrong?

    Gawd, just shut the fcuk up already.

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Right because that IS what I said. I definitely said I know more than the CBO....sigh....you're hopeless. Good luck to you... It's no wonder every time I've asked people to meet in public to debate politics you've run scared and wouldn't accept the offer. Coward!




    Hey ya fvcking moron, if you don't know more than the CBO then how the fcuk are you able to determine their evaluations are wrong?

     

    Gawd, just shut the fcuk up already.



    I have asked you several times to cite me CBO projections that were correct. You've supplied nothing. The CBO has a history of getting projections wrong. I don't need to know more than the CBO to know that. It's fcuking documented. Gawd you make this too easy. 

    So again, please share all the projections the CBO has made that have been correct. 

    The best part is I know you are furiously scanning the web to find examples in your favor. Gawd I love pushing your buttons. You're like a little puppy I lead around. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Really? Because my Blue Cross premiums are going  down slightly after the 1st. AETNA's decision to raise them is not surprising. They are a horrid company to begin with.



    And my BCBS premiums are going up. All depends on size, make up, and claims experience of the group. 




    True.

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Really? Because my Blue Cross premiums are going  down slightly after the 1st. AETNA's decision to raise them is not surprising. They are a horrid company to begin with.



    Check the mail when you get home...

    I think you are in for a surprise.  Buty, you probably beleive in the Easter Bunny.  Oops.




    Are you telling me that a giant furry rodent doesn't visit my house once a year and leave me Reese Peanut Butter eggs? They who pray tell does?

    BTW, I don't have to check my mail. Already got the notice about the decrease from HR.

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    I have asked you several times to cite me CBO projections that were correct. You've supplied nothing. The CBO has a history of getting projections wrong. I don't need to know more than the CBO to know that. It's fcuking documented. Gawd you make this too easy. So again, please share all the projections the CBO has made that have been correct. The best part is I know you are furiously scanning the web to find examples in your favor. Gawd I love pushing your buttons. You're like a little puppy I lead around.




    Hey ya fvcking coward, you made the accusation then you back it up.

     

    Is that too fvcking hard little boy?

    Or are you being a fvcking coward as usual.

    You said in defense of Mittens that if Reid made an accusation it was up to him to prove it.

    Now it's time to take your own advice. You made the accusation that the CBO is inaccurate so it's up to you to prove it. C'mon ya fvcking imbecile, prove that they are always wrong.

    Of the hundreds of studies they do, prove that a majority are wrong.

    You made the charge now it's time to grab those raisins between your legs and prove it.

    Of course you'll just chicken out and make some pathetic excuse for your inability to even back up your own words.

    Typical of you guttersnipes, ya throw around these accusations but ya never prove them. You run like a scared poltroon when confronted with your own advice.

     

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    I have asked you several times to cite me CBO projections that were correct. You've supplied nothing. The CBO has a history of getting projections wrong. I don't need to know more than the CBO to know that. It's fcuking documented. Gawd you make this too easy. So again, please share all the projections the CBO has made that have been correct. The best part is I know you are furiously scanning the web to find examples in your favor. Gawd I love pushing your buttons. You're like a little puppy I lead around.




    Hey ya fvcking coward, you made the accusation then you back it up.

     

    Is that too fvcking hard little boy?

    Or are you being a fvcking coward as usual.

    You said in defense of Mittens that if Reid made an accusation it was up to him to prove it.

    Now it's time to take your own advice. You made the accusation that the CBO is inaccurate so it's up to you to prove it. C'mon ya fvcking imbecile, prove that they are always wrong.

    Of the hundreds of studies they do, prove that a majority are wrong.

    You made the charge now it's time to grab those raisins between your legs and prove it.

    Of course you'll just chicken out and make some pathetic excuse for your inability to even back up your own words.

    Typical of you guttersnipes, ya throw around these accusations but ya never prove them. You run like a scared poltroon when confronted with your own advice.

     



    Hey Stupid - YOU brought up the CBO. I then asked you in regards to CBO..."Have their projections EVER been correct?"

    You have yet to show me evidence. So it's upon YOU to prove the CBO has had a history of being right.

    Man you are a dolt

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Really? Because my Blue Cross premiums are going  down slightly after the 1st. AETNA's decision to raise them is not surprising. They are a horrid company to begin with.



    Check the mail when you get home...

    I think you are in for a surprise.  Buty, you probably beleive in the Easter Bunny.  Oops.




    Are you telling me that a giant furry rodent doesn't visit my house once a year and leave me Reese Peanut Butter eggs? They who pray tell does?

    BTW, I don't have to check my mail. Already got the notice about the decrease from HR.



    Do you work for a fairly small company?

     

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    I have asked you several times to cite me CBO projections that were correct. You've supplied nothing. The CBO has a history of getting projections wrong. I don't need to know more than the CBO to know that. It's fcuking documented. Gawd you make this too easy. So again, please share all the projections the CBO has made that have been correct. The best part is I know you are furiously scanning the web to find examples in your favor. Gawd I love pushing your buttons. You're like a little puppy I lead around.




    Hey ya fvcking coward, you made the accusation then you back it up.

     

    Is that too fvcking hard little boy?

    Or are you being a fvcking coward as usual.

    You said in defense of Mittens that if Reid made an accusation it was up to him to prove it.

    Now it's time to take your own advice. You made the accusation that the CBO is inaccurate so it's up to you to prove it. C'mon ya fvcking imbecile, prove that they are always wrong.

    Of the hundreds of studies they do, prove that a majority are wrong.

    You made the charge now it's time to grab those raisins between your legs and prove it.

    Of course you'll just chicken out and make some pathetic excuse for your inability to even back up your own words.

    Typical of you guttersnipes, ya throw around these accusations but ya never prove them. You run like a scared poltroon when confronted with your own advice.

     



    Hey Stupid - YOU brought up the CBO. I then asked you in regards to CBO..."Have their projections EVER been correct?"

    You have yet to show me evidence. So it's upon YOU to prove the CBO has had a history of being right.

    Man you are a dolt




    BWAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

     

    I KNEW IT!!!

     

    The fvcking guttersniping coward runs like the spineless turd he is.

     

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

     

    Geepers you are one pathetic pile of trash.

     

    I'll let the coward have the last excuse on this because that's all he has is excuses.

    Ask for proof and he runs like a fvcking coward.

    And he wonders why no one would want to meet him, he'd wouldn't show up.

     

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

     

     

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hey ya fvcking coward, you made the accusation then you back it up 

    [QUOTE]


    The CBO has been consistently under on projections of deficits and consistently over on projections of a surplus!

    But just how accurate are CBO economic reports?

    A study done by economists Kevin Kliesen and Daniel Thornton published at the start of 2012 found that CBO budget outlooks are not that reliable.

    "Using CBO deficit projections over the period 1976-99, we found that the deficit projections beyond a year were unreliable. Importantly, we found that the projections were biased in the direction of underprojecting the size of the deficit or overprojecting the size of the surplus,”   What you need to realize is that the CBO is the servant of members of Congress, which means that if a Congressman asks it to analyze a plan under certain assumptions, it will do just that — no matter how unrealistic the assumptions may be. CBO will tell you what’s going on, but it will do so deadpan, doing nothing in terms of emphasis or placement to highlight the funny business.

    Read more: http://www.minyanville.com/business-news/politics-and-regulation/articles/cbo-report-cbo-obamacare-cbo-fiscal/10/12/2012/id/44946#ixzz2Ey17qO2l

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    It'll be interesting to see where all that increase goes to, seeing as the ACA stipulates that no more than 20% of the premiums go towards administrative costs.

    Aetna must be some sort of prescient company because no other companies have made the same warning.

     

    "That just seems silly," said Gary Claxton, a vice president at Kaiser Family Foundation, a Menlo Park, California-based nonprofit that studies health issues. "I can't imagine anything going on in the small-group market that would change the average premium that much. On the individual market, there's arguments for things changing, but those magnitudes seem high."



    It's a shame people haven't introduced Aetna's CEO to Papa John's CEO - its a dog whistle - people in the HC industry know that Aetna used Joe "kill public option" Lieberman as their hand puppet for years. Now that he is gone, they don't have a direct way to affect any HC legislation. Consider it a "dog whistle" that will fail

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hahaha....the CBO? Have their projections EVER been correct? I asked for a link. Still haven't seen one

    Well I know the Kaiser Family Foundation is a better measure of measuring BS from Aetna over Bloomberg or you!


    Oh that's right, fvcking idiots like you just can't comprehend any info that doesn't fit your ignorant view.

     

    Ya, the CBO, which Congress relies on to write their budgets and it's effects and both sides are using in the current budget fights and debt ceiling talks is not to be believed because a fvcking moron like you says so.

    Typical fvcking imbecile, don't like the most accepted source in the country then just ignore it.

    Newsflash spanky, that is why you're such a fvcking moron.



    Again, what projections have they actually gotten correct? 




     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Hahaha...so the CBO makes no projections of anything at all? Really?




    What the fcuk, exactly, does that have to do with their EVALUATIONS?

     

     



    Oh....maybe credibility??? Just admit you got nothing. 



    Just like you - a big fat ZERO - the Obamacare medicare expansion is one of the main reasons hospitals want Obamacare as it will help them balance some of the loss leader expenses by taking care of people who don't have insurance (see ER visits when you have no option) - some hospitals do lose but MA hospitals and others like the Cleveland Clinic and Cedar-Sinai LA have lead the industry in improving outcomes, preventing re-admissions (worst reason for losses), utilization management, and care planning - I know of many others I have encountered but don't let WhichOnesPink lead you too far off the path. 

    There are problems but stupid GOP governors who reject the expansion or who actually expected (Not happening per Sebelius) to fund theirstates at less than 133% of poverty are drawing the ANGER of hospitals in their states for stupidly rejecting 90%+ funding for 5 years that declines over 5 years to a still very high funding level  - It's going to lead to single payer slowly but surely thanks to ignorant GOP governors

    And don't forget VT will be instituting their own single payer - so the proof will be quite obvious very soon!

     

     
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    Re: Aetna says premiums could double with Obamacare, Blue shield says 20% immediate increase unavoidable

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    Really? Because my Blue Cross premiums are going  down slightly after the 1st. AETNA's decision to raise them is not surprising. They are a horrid company to begin with.



    And my BCBS premiums are going up. All depends on size, make up, and claims experience of the group. 




    True.



    People who are employed also have to depend on how good a deal the HR/Execs get for their employees as well....but no one ever thinks much about that ...especially wingnuts

     
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