Affirmative Action on Trial

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    Somehow I don't think a racist sh!t who has gone on record claiming that blacks are lazy and stupid has anything meaningful to say about AA, but I suppose that's just me.

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    Oh, yes he has.  Let him shout it.  Not just as homage to free speech, but let him shout re a black president in mock-dialect and say flacid both loudly and surreptitiously.  Let his comments be the last ones all the way down the list of threads on a page.  Especially with the handle used here, and all in caps.  Put it out there.

     
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    The equity and effectivemess of AA has never been demonstrated after all these decades.

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    1) we have the finest military in the world

    2) Our military has practiced Affirmative Action for decades

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    Technology, weaponry and sheer numbers of military equipment have alot do with our military superiority!

     
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    So, if a "majority" child was raised poor in a weak academic system etc should they get the same affirmative action?

     

     
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    If you disagree with the statement.. please qualify... or...

    You only get what you measure. Has AA been sucessful ?

    If so, is the PLAN to continue it forever?

     

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    But the program is not really AA at all. Race is only one of the factors considered, NOT the only factor.  This is not about racial quotas, its about having a diverse student body.  But "diversity" is an evil word for you.

    From the article:  The university says the program that fills roughly a quarter of its incoming classes uses race among many factors and argues that is necessary to provide the kind of diverse educational experience the high court has previously endorsed.

     
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    Strong potential for a 4-4 split, which would change nothing.

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    We have been talking about this case..and the case it goes back to ( Grutter v. Bollinger) for the past month in a course I am taking. I think it's likely to be a 4-4 split....but it's also possible that Kennedy will be on board with declaring University of Texas' admission policies unconstitutional.

    Personally..I think that affirmative action laws need to be tweaked to keep up with changing times..and the the Texas policy is a good example of why. They had a policy in place which was doing the job..but after the decision of Grutter v. Bollinger they expanded it...in my mind..needlessly.

    All that being said..Ms. Fisher is the wrong person to have brought this case..and the Court may very will determine that she had no standing ( especially if they don't reach a majority).

     
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    The equity and effectivemess of AA has never been demonstrated after all these decades.

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    Yes, it has.

     
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    The question stands sir.

    Granting an advantage to minorities over better qualified candidates does not appear to solve anything. It only prevents employers from being able to hire the best qualified candidate.

    What is the benefit of having a diverse student body?

    Times have changed.  

    Is this going to remain part of out society, culture, laws without end.

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    Do we really have to explain to you what the benefits are of a diverse student body? One of the benefits is that you get less people who ask small minded questions like that...but I'll give you one important benefit.

    Like it or not..times have changed and we live in a global society. If you go to work for a big company..chances are very high that said company operates in a global capacity. This means that nowadays you interact with a variety of cultures and people. For a kid who doesn't live in a diverse community..this exposure at the college level ..this learning about and interacting with different cultures on a regular basis is something that will give them a leg up when they enter the professional world.

     
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    The question stands sir.

    Granting an advantage to minorities over better qualified candidates does not appear to solve anything. It only prevents employers from being able to hire the best qualified candidate.

    What is the benefit of having a diverse student body?

    Times have changed.  

    Is this going to remain part of out society, culture, laws without end.

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    Do we really have to explain to you what the benefits are of a diverse student body? One of the benefits is that you get less people who ask small minded questions like that...but I'll give you one important benefit.

    Like it or not..times have changed and we live in a global society. If you go to work for a big company..chances are very high that said company operates in a global capacity. This means that nowadays you interact with a variety of cultures and people. For a kid who doesn't live in a diverse community..this exposure at the college level ..this learning about and interacting with different cultures on a regular basis is something that will give them a leg up when they enter the professional world.

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    Liberals are all for a diversity on campus until ROTC shows up or conservative speakers then it all ends.

    Diversity is good as long as it's leftwing.

     
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    A couple points:

    - The school has claimed that this young lady didn't have the grades to attend the school, so race was never a factor.

    -  I wonder how many minorities were denied entry to UT over the past century due to their race?

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    The case is about her having better grades and more approved extra cirricular activites than some of her former school mates who were allowed in UT. So, that must have been established as true for the case to have made it to the SCOTUS.

    How many minorities of the last decade and how many qualified peoplerejected over the last decade is not the issue.

    The issue is whether minorities have access to a school system leading up to college that gives them a fair chance to compete with non minorities at the college level.

    If the answer is yes then affirmative action is no longer needed and race should not be considered at all for college acceptance!

     

     

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    Are you even remotely familiar with this case..?  That's not what this case is about at all. Ms. Fisher would have been an automatic admission if she were in the top 10% of her class..she wasn't..

    This case has to do with whether the University of Texas correctly interpreted and applied the law based on the University if Michigan case back in 2003. 

     
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