posted at 10/24/2012 6:53 PM EDT
In response to DamianAllen:
The issue isn't about whether you (or anyone else) agrees with me. This is about level setting some basics and establishing a floor for discussion. Abortion is legal, and opponents of abortion are entitled to their opinion regarding abortion.
My anger has to do solely with the idea espoused by men like Todd Akin and this Mourdock fellow is the idea that the state has an obligation to adhere to an interpretation of christian faith and that the state as represented by these would be legislators could utlize its power to prevent a woman from obtaining a legal medical procedure even in the case of rape or incest. I don't care about your or their religious underpinnings and morals and as far as I am concerned you all will sort out your successes and failings with your maker should you ever meet him/her/it.
But for the time being we all occupy a very tanglible hunk of rock and in our little subdivision of that hunk of rock, the people have set up standards to determine how society should behave and the consequences for behavior outside drifts outside of those norms. Those standards are enforced by regular people, some who wear uniforms, some who wear robes, and some who sit in judgement of those who violate those standards. Those judgments are made based on a very particular sets of "laws" that have been and continue to be written by people who in their infinite wisdom may have drawn a good deal of influence from whatever deity they worship on Sundays, but still had the foresight not to make the book of their faith the law of the land.
Quibbling over whatever it is you think I beleive about the origins of life, or when life begins...thats hiding behind your morality. Well, your morality means nothing to me, so why not instead of distorting, obsfuscating, and trying to make it seem like you have no choice but to carry a value system that more is line with nomadic tribesmen or violent woman subjugating cultures, why don't you just come out and argue the logical conclusion to your line of reasoning with respect to womens reproductive rights? You don't believe in womens reproductive rights. The woman's womb is subject to the laws of god, the state, and whatever the whims are of the legislative body that happens to be in power at that moment. That's basically what this boils down to isn't it? In a perfect conservative world there is no abortion issue because abortion doesn't exist. Rape may very well be legitimate so why make an exception for abortion? A father raping his daughter? Who cares! Women have special powers in their hootnannies that can kill off any invading swimmers! But most importantly...and don't forget this one...its the will of god when a man takes a woman against her will and forcibily rapes her.
I mean, why even have laws against rape? And I don't care if I am strawmanning this argument to death. These are the things your fellow conservatives are saying. These are the platforms they are running on. Its 2012, in America, and this is the best we got in terms candidates to run our country? These are the people you will vote for?
We should all be outraged. And you are fraud for continuing to bob and weave and duck the issue being discussed.
This is the best response I've read to date on the issue. In fact..in the future..I am going to save my breath where Skeeter is concerned and just refer him back to this post. I agree 1000% with everything you've written and could not have said it better.
As far as Skeeter's ludicrous assertion that he "hasn't heard from any women who have been raped"..I'll just say this. First Skeeter..no one knows what personal experiences a person brings to anonymous discussion forums..so I would not assume that we haven't heard from someone in that situation..no doubt someone who disagrees strongly with your position.
Second...and I'll type this slowly so you can understand it....it is none of your business. A woman doesn't have to talk about the traumatic events in her life in order to have an opinion. If you are interested in learning how women who have been victimized by rape feel about this issue..I suggest you visit an online support group for such a thing...or even do some reading beyond the obviously limited sources you already glean your information from.