Re: AMA: U.S. Health Care is 28th in Health Outcomes
posted at 7/12/2013 8:51 AM EDT
In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
Yeah, see how you twist things to suit your fancy:
"medicine has nothing to do with living or dying"
We are not talking about medicine, we are talking about the health care system. Two different things.
Libruls are always complaining about gun violence? OK, do we have more gun violence than other countries or not? What the f can a health care system do about that.
I twist things to suit my fancy?
Are you mentally challenged? Seriously, though. Are you?
Gun violence? Really? And where are people taken after they are shot? To a health care provider. Which is part of the health-care system. How well the health-care system functions impacts how well a health care provider provides care. Within the helath. care. system.
THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM DELIVERS THE MEDICINE.
Did the capslock help?
They can have all the education programs they want, but if more people behave badly here are statistics are going to suffer and it is not the fault of our health care system.
So basically, when you dishonest fools claim that we have the best health care system in the world and Obamacare ruins it.....
...you're straight up lying. However, you feel your lie is justified because of a blind f'ing assumption that there is so much more per capita "bad behavior" here than elsewhere that the "best health care system in the world" just plain can't keep people healthy?
Who needs data? Who needs analysis. Let's just call the other person a dummyface for not making whatever assumptions we make.
Yeah wicked smaht you are.
You get shot, they take to the hospital. If you want to measure how well the health care system does you measure THE TREATMENT. That would be collecting data on how many survive, what the injury was, how long between the shooting and getting treatment, etc. NOT collecting data on life expectancy and correlating that to what the health care system does.
Let's say there are two hospitals, one in the US and another in the UK. In the US hospital, they get 100 visits to the ER by gunshot victims with an average age of 23. In the UK they get 4 with an average age of 30. In the US 20 die from their wounds, in the UK, they all die.
Because the US has more deaths by gun violence that would drag down their life expectancy statistics. But does that mean the US has worse health care in this case?? No, it means more people get shot and die younger here. The same situation exists for deaths from car accidents, drug overdoses, obesity.
You are concluding that the US Health Care system is causing a lower life expectancy here when there is not even a correlation.
It is a completely bogus conclusion.
If you can't figure it out then you are just an ideological wing nut.