Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    Other recent threads have addressed this, but it is worth irritating liberals who cling to their ivory tower bitter beliefs against all evidence, how the future belongs to liberal paradises like Detroit and Newark.

    "Americans are migrating from less-free liberal states to more-free conservative states, where they are doing better economically, according to a new study published Thursday by the George Mason University's Mercatus Center.

    The "Freedom in the 50 States" study measured economic and personal freedom using a wide range of criteria, including tax rates, government spending and debt, regulatory burdens, and state laws covering land use, union organizing, gun control, education choice and more.

    It found that the freest states tended to be conservative "red" states, while the least free were liberal "blue" states.

    The freest state overall, the researchers concluded, was North Dakota, followed by South Dakota, Tennessee, New Hampshire and Oklahoma. The least free state by far was New York, followed by California, New Jersey, Hawaii and Rhode Island.

    The study also compared its measures of economic and personal freedom to population shifts and income growth, and found that freer states tend to do better on both scores than those less free.

    For example, it found a strong correlation between a state's freedom ranking and migration, which means that Americans are gravitating toward states that have less-intrusive governments.

    "People are voting for places with greater freedom," said William Ruger, a political scientist at Texas State University and one of the co-authors of the study. That was true, he said, even after controlling for things like weather and amenities that might attract people to states independent of these freedom measures.

    The study also found that states with more freedom tended to see stronger income growth. This was particularly true in states with more regulatory freedom.

    "Adam Smith was right," Ruger said. "If you have economic freedom you will have economic growth."

    IBD has previously reported that red states saw stronger job growth, lower unemployment and bigger gains in per capita income than blue states, during the economic recovery.

    The data also show that blue states have generally become less free over the past decade, while red states have tended to gain additional levels of freedom. The states with the biggest declines in freedom were Wyoming, Illinois, New Jersey, New York and Kansas. Those with the biggest gains were Oklahoma, North Dakota, Idaho, Utah and New Mexico.

    And contrary to conventional wisdom, the researchers found that conservative states are just as likely as liberal ones to score well on measures of personal freedom, which looked at laws covering marijuana use, gambling, marriage rights, alcohol and tobacco use, gun control, victimless crimes and the like.



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    The "Freedom in the 50 States" study measured economic and personal freedom using a wide range of criteria, including tax rates, government spending and debt, regulatory burdens, and state laws covering land use, union organizing, gun control, education choice and more.

    It found that the freest states tended to be conservative "red" states, while the least free were liberal "blue" states.

     


    LOL.

    Yeah that sounds objective. I'm sure you can't manipulate the results simply by deciding whether the ability of individuals to organize in unions is "more free" or "less free."
    Clearly, this sort of thing was worked out in the billionth of billionth of billionth of a second after the big bang, along with the rest of the laws of physics.


    "the ability of individuals to organize in unions" exists in all 50 states. What doesnt exist in all states is compulsory unionism.

    What is undeniably objective is that massive numbers of those looking for a job have freed themselves and migrated out of the Northeast, to the South and Southwest, and now to the Dakotas...

     

     
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    "Americans are migrating from less-free liberal states to more-free conservative states, where they are doing better economically, according to a new study published Thursday by the George Mason University's Mercatus Center.

    Charles Koch sits on the board of the Mercatus Center and has given over $10 million to fund these types of bogus self-interest studies.....including a previous study that concluded that if global warming "were to be true" that it would be beneficial to humans, and not a threat.

     
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    Charles Koch sits on the board of the Mercatus Center and has given over $10 million to fund these types of bogus self-interest studies.....including a previous study that concluded that if global warming "were to be true" that it would be beneficial to humans, and not a threat.


    Heh.

     

    Well then there's that.




    And socialist multi billionaire George Soros funds just about every liberal thinktank and liberal media lapdog in existence...and has pretty much has purchased the Democratic Party as his plaything.

     

     

     
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    The Mercatus Center, a think tank run by “America’s Hottest Economist,” has attempted to quantify the level of “freedom” enjoyed within each state.  If this sounds impossible, that’s because it is.  A quick look at the “taxes” component of each state’s “freedom score” should make this very clear.

    According to the Center, freedom requires that “individuals should be allowed to dispose of their lives, liberties, and properties as they see fit, as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others.”  This, according to the study, requires “a deep distrust of taxation.”

    In order to measure the impact of taxes on freedom, the Center does what it correctly describes as a “simple” calculation: it tallies up the size of all tax revenues (with a few exceptions) as a share of the state’s economy.  Basically, more tax revenue means less freedom under the authors’ assumptions — and taxes account for about 10 percent of each state’s overall “freedom score.”  But as everybody outside the Mercatus Center knows, taxes are never this simple.

    For starters, states routinely use their tax codes to encourage (and discourage) a huge range of decisions that affect our day-to-day lives.  Most states, for example, offer strings-attached tax incentives designed to spur specific companies into building factories within their borders.  Under the Mercatus Center’s assumptions, a state that uses its tax code to subsidize private sector construction will actually score better on the “freedom” index than an otherwise identical state, simply because the subsidy cuts into its revenue collections.  In reality, however, a state without the subsidy offers a freer and more level playing field with “unhampered markets,” as the authors put it.

    Of course, factory construction isn’t the only area where the government tries to manipulate behavior with special breaks.  States offer special tax breaks for everything from competing in a livestock show to purchasing binoculars — each of which the Mercatus Center’s calculations would classify as “freedom enhancing.”

    Taxes can also affect freedom in unintentional ways.  For example, a handful of states have placed caps on the rate at which a homeowner’s property tax bill can grow each year.  These tax caps result in huge tax cuts for many homeowners, especially those that have lived in their homes for many years.  Obviously, under the Mercatus Center’s assumptions, these caps are big freedom enhancers.  In reality, however, the opposite is true.

    An article in the March 2011 edition of the National Tax Journal showed what anecdotes from homeowners have always suggested: these caps result in a “lock-in effect” where residents are either unable or unwilling to leave their homes, out of fear of losing the tax savings they’ve accumulated over many years.  “Locking” residents into their homes with convoluted property tax breaks is hardly the definition of a free society.  But don’t count on the Mercatus Center’s “freedom index” being able to capture these types of nuanced, but vitally important implications of state tax policies.

    Finally, it’s worth noting that the Mercatus index also falls short in its failure to examine who pays taxes.   This is most obvious in the 48th and 49th place fiscal policy rankings received by Hawaii and Alaska, respectively. 

    Hawaii’s sales and excise tax revenues are very robust, in large part because of the huge quantities of hotel rooms, car rentals, tours, and souvenirs that are sold to out-of-state tourists.  Similarly, a significant amount of Alaska’s tax revenue (even excluding severance taxes, which the study omits) comes from multinational oil companies. 

    In each of these states, many tax dollars flow into state coffers from outside the state — and while every one of those dollars sinks the state lower in the Mercatus “freedom index,” it has little if any impact on the freedom of anybody living within those states’ borders.  For this reason alone, readers should hesitate before taking the authors’ advice that “individuals can use the data to plan a move or retirement.”

    At the end of the day, how taxes are collected is equally if not more important than how much taxes are collected.  Economists recognized this a long time ago when they discovered the tax policy principle of “neutrality,”  which basically means that tax systems should interfere with our decisions as little as possible.  A tax system that doesn’t generate much revenue can still reduce our freedom in important ways if it’s applied in a narrow and discriminatory fashion.  Anybody interested in enhancing freedom through tax reform should be focused on the plethora of special breaks contained in state systems — not the overall revenue yield of those systems.

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    What is undeniably objective is that massive numbers 

    True.

    But "freedom" is a lot more subjective, especially if you're going to use something like the tax rate as a measure.

    Perhaps one state takes more money, but then uses it to open more parks, roads, and schools. So a "freedom to have money" is reduced, but a freedom to use parks, roads, and schools of one's choice might be increased.



    It the govt responsibility to insure freedom not confiscate our money and build what freedoms they deem we need!

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

    I think the idea that people are moving because some states are "freer" is absolute nonsense.  What drives people to move are really very basic:  people move for job opportunities, to be closer (or farther away from) family, people move to attend school, or to retire in a different climate.  Trying to establish causation based on the metrics this study purports to outline is an exercise in stupidity.  First, the study doesn't represent definitive causation, their findings are little more than correlation and as pointed out above the findings appear to do a poor job in distinguishing how the data they have compiled varies by state for very specific reasons.  For example, go tell an Alaskan their state is 48th freest state in the union and see what response you get.  Secondly this type of analysis is going to always be slanted towards states that share philisophical leanings which is why many of the most free states (as identified by the study) also happen to be reliable republican states (this despite the fact that many of these states impose severe restrictions on women's health issues, and have attempted various voter discrimination schemes that disenfranchize voters).


    In the end, this is just Koch funded propaganda.  Humans don'e behave according the criteria they have outlined. 


    Edit:  They have Arizona as No 11.  LOL  I wonder how the brown folks in AZ feel about that. 

     
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    California is the next Cyprus............

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

    economic freedom -> more/better economic activity -> influx of people looking for good jobs


    This isn't rocket science people.

     

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

    Charles Koch sits on the board of the Mercatus Center and has given over $10 million to fund these types of bogus self-interest studies.....including a previous study that concluded that if global warming "were to be true" that it would be beneficial to humans, and not a threat.

    Heh. Well then there's that.

     

    And we know that's true because we read it on the Internets!

     

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    It the govt responsibility to insure freedom not confiscate our money and build what freedoms they deem we need!

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    That's nice.

    Do you have any other platitudes abstracted to the point of irrelevance?



    Govt regulated commerce at the federal level is the opposite of economic freedom!

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    Stop speaking in such absolutes. The turn of the 19th to 20th century showed that too much economic freedom is great for a few and absolutely terrible for the rest. We need some labor/safety laws. The question is which ones, and what's the best balance.

    Throwing around general platitudes ensures we won't answer the question properly.




    The US model of economic freedom in the 19th and 20th century created a middle class that is enjoying a higher standard of living, quality of life, and is the largest of any industrialized nation in the history of mankind!

     

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

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    The US model of economic freedom in the 19th and 20th century created a middle class that is enjoying a higher standard of living, quality of life, and is the largest of any industrialized nation in the history of mankind!
    Actually it created child labor in god-awful conditions and 16 hour factory work days.
     It created strikes and allowed "job creators" to murder strikers to force the "free" citizens back to work.

    Hence, government got more involved. 

    You're thinking of 1945-1970



    No you are using isolated industries to try and paint all commerce for the last 2 centuries that way.

     
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    Hmmm.  When I was a kid, Massachusetts had 14 electoral votes.  We now have 11. 

    Do the math.




    And when I was a kid in California there was 40, now there is 55.

     

     
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    Re: Americans are migrating to more free Republican states

    too much economic freedom --> better economic activity for owners, economic slums for blue collar --> influx of people needing jobs.

     

    BS. Everyone benefits by a robust economy. Also, all of the social programs favored by the left are funded by a robust economy which is powered by economic freedom. This is one reason why socialism always fails.

     

     

    Stop speaking in such absolutes. The turn of the 19th to 20th century showed that too much economic freedom is great for a few and absolutely terrible for the rest. We need some labor/safety laws. The question is which ones, and what's the best balance.


    Agreed, I'm not looking for a return to the days of the robber barons. I'm just saying that MORE economic freedom is generally better than less.

     

     
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    I have a friend that has an interesting take on this.  He has lived all over the world.  It is his contention that the higher the taxes, the safer and more livable  the area is. 

    I tend to think there is more to it than that, but and interesting tangent to the primary economic drivers.

     
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