Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?

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    Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?

    The downgrade is in response to Obama's lack of cutting spending.

    The cry from the left that this is the TEA party's fault is completely an Axelrod creation.

    If we did what the TEA party wanted, we would not be in this position today.


    Can the left FACTUALLY deny any of these points?

    cue the bile from Alley and Kelldog, 1...2....3...
     
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    Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?

    I'll answer, No. 
     
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    Facts according to what facts or right wing excuse making spin ?

    Here is fact for you from your own post .

    The downgrade is in response to Obama's lack of cutting spending.

    Fact Obama cant cut spending congress needs to do that . That is their job all the president does is offer his opinion on what needs money and what doesnt . He cant on his own do it himself.

    Now that being fact care to tell me or the board now what fact it is you want to talk considering you were already not talking facts ? You want to talk spin nothing more nothing less.






     
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    Facts according to what facts or right wing excuse making spin ? Here is fact for you from your own post . The downgrade is in response to Obama's lack of cutting spending. Fact Obama cant cut spending congress needs to do that . That is their job all the president does is offer his opinion on what needs money and what doesnt . He cant on his own do it himself. Now that being fact care to tell me or the board now what fact it is you want to talk considering you were already not talking facts ? You want to talk spin nothing more nothing less.
    Posted by beKool


    Very true....and yet you and your ilk continue to blame Bush for anything to do with spending and taxes

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....HYPOCRITE....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
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    Facts according to what facts or right wing excuse making spin ? Here is fact for you from your own post . The downgrade is in response to Obama's lack of cutting spending. Fact Obama cant cut spending congress needs to do that . That is their job all the president does is offer his opinion on what needs money and what doesnt . He cant on his own do it himself. Now that being fact care to tell me or the board now what fact it is you want to talk considering you were already not talking facts ? You want to talk spin nothing more nothing less.
    Posted by beKool


    Huh?  Obama HAS to spend?  If Obama wanted to cut spending, why didn't he support the TEA party legislation?  Why instead did he threaten to veto it if it passed the Senate?

    Gotcha!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts? : Very true....and yet you and your ilk continue to blame Bush for anything to do with spending and taxes BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....HYPOCRITE....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Posted by WhichOnesPink

    THAT is going to leave a mark!
     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts? : THAT is going to leave a mark!
    Posted by brat13


    Sadly he's too stupid to know he just got his nuts stomped on.
     
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    Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?



      FACTS?....FACTS!!!!...YOU WINGNUTS NOW WANT TO ENGAGE IN FACTS. COME ON YOUR WHOLE POLITICAL REPERTOIRE IS BASED ON FALSEHOODS, INNUENDO AND LIES!

       NOW YOU IDIOTS SCREAM FOR FACTS!

      HOW 'BOUT THIS FACT .....YOU F'N IDIOTS DESTROYED OUR NATION!

     PATHETIC!

     YEAH I'LL DEBATE FACTS WHEN YOU IDIOTS GET A GRASP ON REALITY!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?:
    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts? : Huh?  Obama HAS to spend?  If Obama wanted to cut spending, why didn't he support the TEA party legislation?  Why instead did he threaten to veto it if it passed the Senate? Gotcha!!!
    Posted by skeeter20


    He can neither spend nor cut , dont run from the facts of that.Like i said you want us to think of spin as facts . It doesnt work that way kid and the only thing you got is a hole in your created spin facts. LMLAO

    Look at what the tea gagger hostage taking has done.


     


     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?:
      FACTS?....FACTS!!!!...YOU WINGNUTS NOW WANT TO ENGAGE IN FACTS. COME ON YOUR WHOLE POLITICAL REPERTOIRE IS BASED ON FALSEHOODS, INNUENDO AND LIES!    NOW YOU IDIOTS SCREAM FOR FACTS!   HOW 'BOUT THIS FACT .....YOU F'N IDIOTS DESTROYED OUR NATION!  PATHETIC!  YEAH I'LL DEBATE FACTS WHEN YOU IDIOTS GET A GRASP ON REALITY!!!!
    Posted by kelldog1



    HAHAHA!!!!!

    KELLDOG:    we wooped your azz with facts, and you STILL DON'T GET IT!!!!
     
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    Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?

    Kelldog,

    facts have a known Tea Party connection, so you dont have to pay any attention to the facts...
     
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    Its not a singular reaction to not cutting spending, it has to do with S&P's outlook that political gridlock makes DEFICIT REDUCTION more difficult to achieve, especially when a 4 trillion framework was on the table and the GOP walked out on talks because it contained revenue increases (yes taxes).  Funny enough the rating agency identified 4 trillion as the number that Congress needed to agree to. 
     
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    Its not a singular reaction to not cutting spending, it has to do with S&P's outlook that political gridlock makes DEFICIT REDUCTION more difficult to achieve, especially when a 4 trillion framework was on the table and the GOP walked out on talks because it contained revenue increases (yes taxes).  Funny enough the rating agency identified 4 trillion as the number that Congress needed to agree to. 
    Posted by DamainAllen


    I may be mistaken but I believe that the 4T needed to be spending cuts not a combo of cuts/taxes
     
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    Its not a singular reaction to not cutting spending, it has to do with S&P's outlook that political gridlock makes DEFICIT REDUCTION more difficult to achieve, especially when a 4 trillion framework was on the table and the GOP walked out on talks because it contained revenue increases (yes taxes).  Funny enough the rating agency identified 4 trillion as the number that Congress needed to agree to. 
    Posted by DamainAllen

    The GOP walked out on Ryan's plan? When was that? Who else proposed a $4 trillion cut plan?

    They walked out on Obama's $3.7 trillion budget because it would only cut $1.1 trillion over 10 years.
     
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    Facts according to what facts or right wing excuse making spin ? Here is fact for you from your own post . The downgrade is in response to Obama's lack of cutting spending. Fact Obama cant cut spending congress needs to do that . That is their job all the president does is offer his opinion on what needs money and what doesnt . He cant on his own do it himself. Now that being fact care to tell me or the board now what fact it is you want to talk considering you were already not talking facts ? You want to talk spin nothing more nothing less.
    Posted by beKool

    • Fact Obama is our president and leader of our nation and the Democratic Party.
    • Fact Obama has not been able to lead on the economy from the beginning of his term.
    • Fact Obama has no control over his party.
    • Fact Obama and Boehner had the workings of a deal, until the Progressive Caucus stiff armed Obama on July 7th.
    • Fact more voters believe Obama is going a worse (49%) job than a better (42%) job.
    • Fact if Obama doesn't become strong on this issue by Thanksgiving when the supper comittee plan comes out he will become irrelevent.
    • Fact once irrelevent Obama becomes Carter and the Dem chanlengers will come.

     
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    Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?

    The President did not come up with one plan.  He does not have the political cojo nes to do so.

    Paul Ryan fell on his sword to do what was best for this country.  S&P has said that if the Ryan plan was passed we would not be in this mess.

    IT HAS TO DO WITH CUTS.  The politics component to the S&P downgrade had to do with the inability of our political parties to come up with cuts.

    Read the S&P downgrade. . . . .its about cuts.  In fact they warned us ahead of time, without 4 trillion IN CUTS they may downgrade us.  Only the tea party listened.  Obama certainly didn't.

    Now read the warning from Moody's.  WHat does that say?  CUTS CUTS CUTS CUTS.

    Face it.  Obama lacks a spine to do what is right.  The agreement that Obama and Boehner came up with may have been a start, but then Obama took it back to Dems and they freaked.  So, that was tossed.

    Our Preisdent showed AWFUL leaderdship throughout this issue.

    And he continues even yesterday.  After that speech investors headed for the hills.

    Look, the truth is the if people had listened to the Tea Party, we would not be in this mess.  THOSE ARE FACTS.
     
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    The President did not come up with one plan.  He does not have the political cojo nes to do so. Paul Ryan fell on his sword to do what was best for this country.  S&P has said that if the Ryan plan was passed we would not be in this mess. IT HAS TO DO WITH CUTS.  The politics component to the S&P downgrade had to do with the inability of our political parties to come up with cuts. Read the S&P downgrade. . . . .its about cuts.  In fact they warned us ahead of time, without 4 trillion IN CUTS they may downgrade us.  Only the tea party listened.  Obama certainly didn't. Now read the warning from Moody's.  WHat does that say?  CUTS CUTS CUTS CUTS. Face it.  Obama lacks a spine to do what is right.  The agreement that Obama and Boehner came up with may have been a start, but then Obama took it back to Dems and they freaked.  So, that was tossed. Our Preisdent showed AWFUL leaderdship throughout this issue. And he continues even yesterday.  After that speech investors headed for the hills. Look, the truth is the if people had listened to the Tea Party, we would not be in this mess.  THOSE ARE FACTS.
    Posted by whatnow4


    Didn't you read betools post?  The president has no power, and can't lead.  he is completely at the whim of congress.  Yet somehow his threat to veto the plan put forth by the House, is not seen as power to change this situation.

     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts? : Fact Obama is our president and leader of our nation and the Democratic Party. Fact Obama has not been able to lead on the economy from the beginning of his term. Fact Obama has no control over his party. Fact Obama and Boehner had the workings of a deal, until the Progressive Caucus stiff armed Obama on July 7th. Fact more voters believe Obama is going a worse (49%) job than a better (42%) job. Fact if Obama doesn't become strong on this issue by Thanksgiving when the supper comittee plan comes out he will become irrelevent. Fact once irrelevent Obama becomes Carter and the Dem chanlengers will come.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe


    Fact: The G.O.P. created the debt crisis by demanding deficit reduction with a change in the ceiling amount.
    Fact: Most Americans wanted a combination of cuts and tax increases.
    Fact: The G.O.P. ignored this to pursue their own cuts only agenda.
    Fact: Our economic standing has been damaged by the political conflict.
    Fact: The favorability rating of Congress is at its lowest ever.
    Fact: Obama's rating is considerably stronger.
    Fact: This is directly related to this manufactured debt ceiling crisis.
    Theory:  Obama has come out of this looking better than Congress and the G.O.P.


     
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    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts?:
    In Response to Re: Anyone on the Left want to discuss the facts? : Fact: The G.O.P. created the debt crisis by demanding deficit reduction with a change in the ceiling amount. Fact: Most Americans wanted a combination of cuts and tax increases. Fact: The G.O.P. ignored this to pursue their own cuts only agenda. Fact: Our economic standing has been damaged by the political conflict. Fact: The favorability rating of Congress is at its lowest ever. Fact: Obama's rating is considerably stronger. Fact: This is directly related to this manufactured debt ceiling crisis. Theory:  Obama has come out of this looking better than Congress and the G.O.P.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    The G.O.P. is part of the problem, minus the TEA party.  they are part of the go along crowd.  Other than that, you seem very invested in dulusional thinking.  You also seem to think that Obama is doing well here.  Did you not see the 300 point drop he caused yesterday?

    I guess you think that, because the TEA party did not get its way, it is somehow responsble?  I don't understand your logic.
     
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    Fact: The G.O.P. created the debt crisis by demanding deficit reduction with a change in the ceiling amount.
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    Does anyone else see how ridicoulously dumb this statement is?

    Debt crisis was created by demanding deficit reductions.  WHAT IN THE HECK KINDA LOGIC IS THAT?

     
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    Fact: The G.O.P. created the debt crisis by demanding deficit reduction with a change in the ceiling amount. ---------------------------------- Oh I see, the debt crisis started last month. Wow!
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    Funny how we could not cut real spending, it would tank the economy.  Thank god the economy didn't tank. 
     
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    Fact: The G.O.P. created the debt crisis by demanding deficit reduction with a change in the ceiling amount. ------------ Does anyone else see how ridicoulously dumb this statement is? Debt crisis was created by demanding deficit reductions.  WHAT IN THE HECK KINDA LOGIC IS THAT?
    Posted by whatnow4


    Who posted that? That just might get Dumbest Post of the Year.
     
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